Game 50: Memphis Grizzlies (35-12) @ Phoenix Suns (28-21)

saintEscaton · Post #461 » by **saintEscaton** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:25 am

I think things would have to go downhill fast and for ticket sales to plummet for the brass to save face and go in a new direction. They'll prolly milk this one for as long as they can

Revived · Post #462 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:25 am

kennydorglas wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:Warren. Ennis. Hell, even Goodwin. It's time.

Sign me up on this.
But if Hornacek took a month to realize that Len is way better than Plumlee... you can bet that in 2019 this young guys will get some chance to play.

Other than Kerrsed's memes, this is the best post in this thread. Made me :lol:

Son of Ra · Post #463 » by **Son of Ra** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:25 am

SF88 wrote:I don't get it, if the Kings fired Mike Malone so quick, why can't we do the same thing with Hornacek?

Just that firing Malone was one big **** up. Lol.

Jdiddy701 · Post #464 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:27 am

Suns are 2-8 because they rely on fast break points and don't have a closer. They're not 2-8 because Len doesn't play in crunch times. If Suns have the ball with 4 secs to win the game, who do they go to? IT is our best choice and look how bad he is to finish quarters. Suns need an allstar.

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Revived · Post #465 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:27 am

Son of Ra wrote:
SF88 wrote:I don't get it, if the Kings fired Mike Malone so quick, why can't we do the same thing with Hornacek?

Just that firing Malone was one big **** up. Lol.

True haha but I think us doing it would be more justified.

Kings were actually playing well with Malone until DMC got hurt. They even beat us I think with Malone and DMC.

Son of Ra · Post #466 » by **Son of Ra** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:27 am

saintEscaton wrote:I think things would have to go downhill fast and for ticket sales to plummet for the brass to save face and go in a new direction. They'll prolly milk this one for as long as they can

Aren't we only like 26th in attendance anyways? Not much more plummeting possible. Lol.

In Len We Trust · Post #467 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:27 am

It's sad, because the Suns are actually trying to promote Hornacek. Going to take a while for him to get fired

It's clear he sucks. I don't see it magically changing.

saintEscaton · Post #468 » by **saintEscaton** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:29 am

Yeah he's not on a short leash right now. He has the leeway and benefit of the doubt due to our personnel/limited talented

Revived · Post #469 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:29 am

My question is this...how long does this go on? How many years down the road will the Suns finally realize that Hornacek is the wrong choice? That small ball doesn't work? That defense and rebounding can't be ignored?

Who disagrees with Charles Barkley now?

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In Len We Trust · Post #470 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:29 am

SF88 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Why don't you acknowledge that Hornacek blew the game, and made stupid decisions like he always does?

I do think Jeff made a mistake in the end by not putting defense in when we were up 7.. Definitely a big one but if Suns manage to hold on and win you guys wouldn't say anything about Jeff. Biggest mistake was Bledsoe throwing TO's. Jeff Green's offensive rebound was also a killer but it was off a 3pt attempt and bigs were nowhere near the ball. I don't think Len being in would have made a difference. In the end, players lose games.. Bledsoe played dumb and that's what lost us the game.

Rarely do I say anything negative about Bledsoe because he's our best player and I think he gets too much hate on this board but he lost us the game. Also, you Dragic fan boys disappear every time he plays like ass. He also was very bad the entire game.

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Are you joking? Len being in would have got us that rebound or Len bein in would have meant Z-bo wouldn't be shooting FTs because Marcus is tiny for him.

Saying Len being in wouldn't have a made a difference is like saying Duncan being in wouldn't have made a difference in game 6 of the 2013 finals when Bosh got the offensive rebound at the end.

The difference is that Pop learned from it while Hornacek makes the same mistake OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

2-8 in close games is proof enough.

Seriously. How could anyone say that 7'1 Alex Len wouldn't make a difference? That is ridiculous.

RunDogGun · Post #471 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:32 am

saintEscaton wrote:I think things would have to go downhill fast and for ticket sales to plummet for the brass to save face and go in a new direction. They'll prolly milk this one for as long as they can

What direction is that? I honestly don't think we will ever be able to have a guy set as many illegal screens as Noah did the other night. I don't think we will have a player allowed to foul as much on defense as Dray Green, who also is a king at moving screens.

So what does that leave us? We have to have good to great shooters. Before it was, we need guys to drive to the basket and create contact. Well we did that in spades. We need a tough defensive minded center, I think Len is that guy, but shocking, he gets into foul trouble. Why? Does he foul more than Noah? Not even close.

The league is going in the wrong direction, and it's going to professional wrestling. Where name recognition is what rules. Teams probably go along with it now that there is profit sharing. The league is becoming a joke.

I'm guessing the Washington Generals should go in a different direction too.

Frank Lee · Post #472 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:33 am

RunDogGun wrote:......It's like watching Eaton grab and throw KJ to the ground like the wrestling scene in the background of the movie Sixteen Candles, and nothing.

......

Man... you are digging deep into some dark corners there. :lol:

Does the post game media ever ask Hornecek about his strategy, or lack there of???

Jdiddy701 · Post #473 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:35 am

One thing I do hate Jeff does is play Plumlee with Wright. Even playing Plumlee at all.. Just ugly when he's in.

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Blackification · Post #474 » by **Blackification** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:36 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns are 2-8 because they rely on fast break points and don't have a closer. They're not 2-8 because Len doesn't play in crunch times. If Suns have the ball with 4 secs to win the game, who do they go to? IT is our best choice and look how bad he is to finish quarters. Suns need an allstar.

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they are 2-8 because if there is something stupid you can think of them doing in crunch time they do it, and not only that they come down on the next possession and decide to do something even worse.

Revived · Post #475 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:38 am

If the Suns committed to tanking, they'd be the best tanking team to watch. Close games, compete all night long and then just lose at the end.

RunDogGun · Post #476 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:39 am

Suns shot 50% Grizz shot 43% free throws 18-34, lose by one point. I'm guessing the 16 extra free throws by the visiting team and the five down the stretch is the reason. I could be wrong, I mean I am a Math teacher, but sixteen to get two seems rather easy for a professional team.

RunDogGun · Post #477 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:41 am

Blackification wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns are 2-8 because they rely on fast break points and don't have a closer. They're not 2-8 because Len doesn't play in crunch times. If Suns have the ball with 4 secs to win the game, who do they go to? IT is our best choice and look how bad he is to finish quarters. Suns need an allstar.

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they are 2-8 because if there is something stupid you can think of them doing in crunch time they do it, and not only that they come down on the next possession and decide to do something even worse.

You mean by getting fouled and no call, yet phantom call wins the game for the visitor? We just don't get the calls, even on our home court. Younger inexperienced teams like ours can't overcome that.

3rdside · Post #478 » by **3rdside** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:43 am

Blackification wrote:
Cutter wrote:
Blackification wrote:Thats the sad part, even the worst roster will play to their maximum capability at one game during the season. I don't remember this team clicking on all cylinders all year long. Its been up and down every game

Yeah. The only thing that kept us in the game was a 5'9" pg going off for 24 points in the second half. It was fun while it lasted, but if you have to rely on a different player every night going off just to stay in the game, that is not sustainable. I would rather just grind a team down every night with our starters, the bench holds the lead, then the starters come back in and finish them off.

Agreed, I'd say the worst part is that we are so far into the season and still nobody has a role. Every game its a new line up. Every other game there is a rotation that makes no logical sense. Len gets benched for no reason at times, Green is in the doghouse now after getting large minutes all year, no one knows who is going to close out the game or when or why they'll get taken out.

Almost the all star game and we are running different line ups like its still preseason.

The whole thing seems fishy to me - so many close games lost from stupid decisions by the coach and players that I gotta think the team is being sabotaged deliberately - and successfully - in order to make sure we don't get to the playoffs. Right now we're less than cannon fodder for the 1st seed in the playoffs so gaining playoff experience is less valuable than if we could actually compete.

Which might explain your and my comment above - no one has a defined role yet because we want to lose (while remaining competitive) while assessing who, of the 'stockpiled assets', are worth keeping for next year and who's not. We then offload the lottery pick and Thomas / Markieff to get us the PF we need to take it to give the 6th / 7th seed next year a better shot.

Son of Ra · Post #479 » by **Son of Ra** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:43 am

I just don't get what the infatuation with the 8th seed is with this FO/Ownership. And I don't even mean that a total tank is the answer or what I would want. And don't tell me it is the 'playoff experience' that they gain. Four to seven games is not gonna make any difference whatsoever for Bledsoe, Dragic, Thomas, anyone for that matter, and our rookies don't see the floor anyways. So that argument is out of the window.
I also get that you want to play your roster to the max of its potential to a certain degree, but wouldn't it be so much more important to develop Warren, Ennis, Goodwin while we are trying to win? When Bledsoe (Dragic probably has) etc will hit their prime they will have no supporting cast, because we were chasing the 8th seed. We'll have new rookies coming in next year that'll sit again. We are gonna end up with one **** unhappy, frustrated roster with all the players deserving minutes and getting none whatsoever and the vets having to carry the load with an inexperienced supporting cast day in day out.
I could keep writing forever on this topic but it has all been said before anyways, and no one reads essay posts anyways :lol:

BurningHeart · Post #480 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Feb 3, 2015 5:45 am

If none of this **** changes, there's no point in watching anymore. What an infuriating team.