2016 Draft

No-Man · Post #461 » by **No-Man** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:27 pm

I am much higher on Rabb than most people were from the beginning, and I am not sure about Ellenson, he projects as a stretch C in my mind, he is just not a good enough athlete to defend in space as a PF and he needs to add strength madly to play the 5 at this point, plus his shot is still quite erratic, I am not that high on his potential.

saintEscaton · Post #462 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:38 pm

Fischella wrote:I am much higher on Rabb than most people were from the beginning, and I am not sure about Ellenson, he projects as a stretch C in my mind, he is just not a good enough athlete to defend in space as a PF and he needs to add strength madly to play the 5 at this point, plus his shot is still quite erratic, I am not that high on his potential.

Completely agree. I can understand why a team might takeEllenson in the Top 10 out of fit as a 'glue guy: but Top 5 is setting yourself for a monumental letdown. Rabb is BPA if Simmons,Ingram, Bendar(biggest boom or bust wildcard prospect), Brown(iffy on him) are off the board. and I think he is the safest PF with the highest floor and not too low of a ceiling. He already has a go to baby left hook and has incorporated fadeaways , up and unders and turnaround jumpers into his post arsenal. Has flashed some range but hasn't been featured as a spot up pick n' pop threat. Still gets pushed off the block too easily so he needs to bulk up. Makes the tight entry passes and is a solid weakside help defender. I prefer Juancho Hernangomez in the bottom of the first round as a raw developmental pick

kennydorglas · Post #463 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:00 pm

Fischella wrote:My try at a Full Mock as of now, in case you are interested

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/154587/

Great call on Robert Carter Jr.
This guy is so underrated

kennydorglas · Post #464 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:25 pm

One guy to keep an eye on: Chinanu Onuaku from L'ville.
- super young (will be 19 until november - he's a sophomore)
- great size&length (6'10 7'2)
- super mobile, very active on defensive end (even getting some mad steals like Noel used to do in Kentucky)
- excellent rebounder and good BLK/PF ratio too.
- very efficient scorer (but doesnt have many go-to moves, just scores on off-reb and some easy scores - 62% in 2P%)

I think he fits pretty well to be a modern 5.
What intrigues me more about him is his mobility. He can switch on pretty much anyone and can more than hold his own.

No-Man · Post #465 » by **No-Man** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:22 pm

I think Onuaku is coming back.

Post #466 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:11 am

New Bracketology out:

Now only six PAC 12 teams

Oregon - 3 seed
AZ - 6 seed
Utah - 6 seed
USC - 7 seed
Cal - 8 seed
Colorado - 8 seed

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Post #467 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:16 am

kennydorglas wrote:
Fischella wrote:My try at a Full Mock as of now, in case you are interested

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/draft_simulator/view/154587/

Great call on Robert Carter Jr.
This guy is so underrated

If he's right with his projection on Kaleb Tarczewski going undrafted, I hope the Suns end up signing him as FA.

SC923 · Post #468 » by **SC923** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:36 am

Can someone tell my why everyone loves Bender. I have watched his highlights and cant seem to understand the hype

jcsunsfan · Post #469 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:09 am

SC923 wrote:Can someone tell my why everyone loves Bender. I have watched his highlights and cant seem to understand the hype

I agree. Everything about him is "potential" but very little present production. He is not the same as Porzingis.

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Post #470 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:35 am

jcsunsfan wrote:
SC923 wrote:Can someone tell my why everyone loves Bender. I have watched his highlights and cant seem to understand the hype

I agree. Everything about him is "potential" but very little present production. He is not the same as Porzingis.

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Well, people said the same thing about Porzingis last year.

oddity · Post #471 » by **oddity** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:41 am

bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
SC923 wrote:Can someone tell my why everyone loves Bender. I have watched his highlights and cant seem to understand the hype

I agree. Everything about him is "potential" but very little present production. He is not the same as Porzingis.

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Well, people said the same thing about Porzingis last year.

Wait wait wait wait. Porzingis averaged like 11 a game in his last year in Europe. He still didn't get all too much playing time, and I believe he was a year older then than Bender is now, but he was producing more. I see both sides to the Bender debate, but personally I think his stock has inflated a bit by the rise of Porzingis, and although he might have the 2ed highest ceiling in the draft, he seems too "boom or bust" for me to take at 2 or even 3. I wouldn't particularly hate taking him though, as he has that same rare "Unicorn" build, and that's probably worth taking a risk on.

jcsunsfan · Post #472 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:23 am

Porzingis is taller, more athletic, more experience, a better shooter, better passer, better ball handler, has a broader frame ( especially in the shoulders). He is just better in every imaginable way.

Bender is fools gold.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #473 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:47 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Porzingis is taller, more athletic, more experience, a better shooter, better passer, better ball handler, has a broader frame ( especially in the shoulders). He is just better in every imaginable way.

Bender is fools gold.

I think Bender has the advantage defensively and in terms of ball-handling. I don't think he's the athlete Porzingis is, nor will he ever be as good a shooter. He's also young AF. I don't trust myself enough to make an assessment at this point, but I wouldn't be disappointed if we selected him. I trust the FO to draft well.

Post #474 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:13 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Porzingis is taller, more athletic, more experience, a better shooter, better passer, better ball handler, has a broader frame ( especially in the shoulders). He is just better in every imaginable way.

Bender is fools gold.

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Easy to say now. For the record, I was really high on Porzingis. Higher than Bender, but I'm not going to write off Bender because he doesn't seem to be Porzingis.

No-Man · Post #475 » by **No-Man** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:10 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Porzingis is taller, more athletic, more experience, a better shooter, better passer, better ball handler, has a broader frame ( especially in the shoulders). He is just better in every imaginable way.

Bender is fools gold.

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Porzingis is not a better passer or ballhandler than Dragan, he is better athletically vertically, but Bender is a much smoother and fluid ahtlete.

Porzingis played for the worst team in Spain, Bender is playing for a team that played Euroleague, the difference is enormous, Bender has been bothered by minor injuries as well, plus he is 2 years younger than Porzingis was.
At Bender's age, KP was starting to play for Sevilla, who was still one of the worst teams in Spain and much worse than Maccabi, albeit the israelis ahve been awful this season.

Comparing Sevilla with Maccabi is like comparing a top10 NCAA school with a D2 program.

MrMiyagi · Post #476 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:14 pm

I wasn't high on Porzingis and it's looking like I was wrong. But it is not going to make me want Bender. Red flags for me are always the workouts. If he refuses to workout with other players in the draft, stay far, far away. If he was there at like 11, 12, 13, I'd think about taking him, but no way in the top 10, and hell no in the top 5.

Post #477 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:06 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:I wasn't high on Porzingis and it's looking like I was wrong. But it is not going to make me want Bender. Red flags for me are always the workouts. If he refuses to workout with other players in the draft, stay far, far away. If he was there at like 11, 12, 13, I'd think about taking him, but no way in the top 10, and hell no in the top 5.

Who do you want at 3,4 or 5?

blee732 · Post #478 » by **blee732** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:20 pm

Has anybody seen Simmons play multiple games this season? If so, what are your thoughts? Legit #1 or is he the 2nd coming of Beasley?

saintEscaton · Post #479 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:24 pm

blee732 wrote:Has anybody seen Simmons play multiple games this season? If so, what are your thoughts? Legit #1 or is he the 2nd coming of Beasley?

He's not the generational talent he's hyped up to be, and I'm not yet convinced that he's the unanimous #1 but maybe I'm biased as an Ingram fan. I think his ceiling is a Point Forward hybrid of a slightly more athletic/less offensively advanced Odom and a less explosive more nimble Grifin. Floor is probably a better Evan Turner.

blee732 · Post #480 » by **blee732** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:34 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
blee732 wrote:Has anybody seen Simmons play multiple games this season? If so, what are your thoughts? Legit #1 or is he the 2nd coming of Beasley?

He's not the generational talent he's hyped up to be, and I'm not yet convinced that he's the unanimous #1 but maybe I'm biased as an Ingram fan. I think his ceiling is a Point Forward hybrid of a slightly more athletic/less offensively advanced Odom and a less explosive more nimble Grifin. Floor is probably a better Evan Turner.

Thanks, SaintE. He does seem to pass the eyeball test and I'm partial to point-forwards. But Ingram looks very impressive as well. Going to have to catch some of their games when they're on TV.

Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?