Trade Discussion

[Qwigglez]

Would you guys do this trade?

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[Cactus Jack]

Well the national view is the Suns are the 3rd most dysfunctional team in the NBA. So that's win. At least we aren't the #1. So yeah it's better to just go with it.

Philly, Sacramento, Brooklyn, Lakers are more dysfunctional. Houston may even be on that list.

[bwgood77]

McDonough said his main problem was that he tried to do things too fast after season 1.

The issue is that he's also said 6 years is too long to be out of playoffs and wants to make it back there ASAP, so he seems committed to the original mistake.

With Sarver he likely doesn't have a choice.

[jredsaz]

Who else is ahead other than Nets?

Kings probably, but not for long we will close the gap soon

The Kings are a mess. The league would of been better off had the team moved.

Ranadive is a joke. Feel for George Karl. Never should of taken that job.

Vivek is the owner that makes bad owners feel good about their decisions. He is the only reason it can't be argued that Sarver is the worst owner in the NBA. Vivek is like the Michael Jordan of bad owners. Oh wait...

[Cactus Jack]

Kings probably, but not for long we will close the gap soon

The Kings are a mess. The league would of been better off had the team moved.

Ranadive is a joke. Feel for George Karl. Never should of taken that job.

Vivek is the owner that makes bad owners feel good about their decisions. He is the only reason it can't be argued that Sarver is the worst owner in the NBA. Vivek is like the Michael Jordan of bad owners. Oh wait...

Having followed the whole Sacramento/ Kings fiasco (Seattle fan), I'm not the least bit surprised the guy turned out to be a total hack. He talked a good game. Was going to transform the league yada...yada...

I was turned off by KJ also & his politics. Lost a lot of respect for the dude. Sacramento can *******. I'm still a little bitter, can you tell?

[AtheJ415]

Pretty sure his point is that the prevailing consensus is that a 1st round pick is about as much as he's going to fetch, yet very few here are willing to accept that little (definitely not fabricated). You yourself say you think we can get more, yet imply in the same sentence that you and others are content with the 1st. Which is it?

Which is it? What's contradictory about that? I do believe we can get more, but I would be happy with a 1st. For instance, you could think you can sell your car for $27,000, but be happy with $25,000.

I completely disagree that very few here are willing to accept a late first for him if that ends up being the best offer. I would venture to say most on here would be willing to attach something of value just to dump him. Maybe we've been reading different messages though.

You seemed to be resisting his urge to accept that a 1st is the best we can get, then say you and others expect more. After that implying you and many are good with it. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it definitely comes off contradictory.

TBH I do think we're reading different stuff if you think people would attach something to dump him. I had a half dozen crazies jump down my throat today when I said (in some hyperbole to demonstrate how his value is so low) I thought it'd be a win if all we could get was expiring at this point. There's even a poll about it lol and the answer is overwhelmingly no to that, so not sure why you'd think people are good with sending assets to dump him.

Nope. I wrote what I meant. Maybe you misread it, but what I actually wrote is exactly how I feel. I stated that I believe we can get more, but would be happy with a 1st. That doesn't mean I resist the urge to accept a first, nor does it mean I expect more than a first. All it means is that I think it's possible we get more, and so I'm happy we're holding out, but if we ended up with a first I wouldn't be disappointed. There's no harsh truth to accept here. And it really isn't that complicated. There's nothing to imply. I fully wrote exactly how I felt.

What I resisted was his urge to mock imaginary people who somehow need to accept something I've not really seen on this board. Had nothing to do with us only getting a first back for him. In fact, that was my point--that almost nobody would be disappointed with that.

[asudevil]

Would anyone do:
Suns trade:
Kieff/Tele
Kings trade:
Gay

Suns get rid of Keiff...and add a scorer. I know Gay has a bad rep, but in terms of team play he fits better.
Kings add a PF for cheap, and Tele's expiring gives them cap space

Suns trade:
Tucker
Raps trade:
Patterson/Clips 2017 First

Patterson gives us a decent and fairly cheap backup PF, and someone who can start for the rest of the year to build value. Adding a pick is always nice.
Raps get the 3&D SF to compete in the east. Tucker has shown he capable at guarding anyone from the SG/SF/PF slot effectively

Suns trade:
Knight/Len
Nets trade:
Lopez/RHJ

I dont want anymore of the PG/PG lineup, especially at the cost of Booker. Lopez give us an effective C for a couple of years. And RHJ adds youth.
Nets are going nowhere fast. Len gives them a C who's bird rights they own. Knight gives them a starter who's appeal may attract a 2nd tier FA. They still retain a ton of cap space to work with.

Lopez/Chandler
Simmons or Ingram/Patterson
Warren/Gay
Booker/RHJ
Bledsoe/Goodwin

[DRK]

For once, I actually hope we stand pat this deadline... Unless its moving Knight to open up minutes for Booker/Goodwin.

Stillwant either RHJ for Knight, or Covington for Knight

[GetYourPHX]

I for one, dont want to move Markieff.

No. hes not a model citizen, but hes a damn good PF.. Top 10 in the league in my opinion. Versatile scorer, and despite his aggressive personality and demanding a trade, hes been quite professional through the thick and thin and revolving door of FO, players and coaches.

I dont see why we should move him at all.

I might be the only one on this board, but I want Markieff to be part of our future

I feel the same way. Even if he is a headcase, he's our headcase. We drafted him, we developed him, and I hope we stick with him. The kid has a bright future in the NBA and I hope it's in Phoenix.

I wish the Suns didn't always trade the players they draft a la Lopez and Dragic. The summer league teams with those two were so hype. I wish we had kept them around.

[AtheJ415]

Are we allowed to trade Price, or is he still injured beyond the next 33 or so hours?

[AtheJ415]

Would anyone do:
Suns trade:
Kieff/Tele
Kings trade:
Gay

Suns get rid of Keiff...and add a scorer. I know Gay has a bad rep, but in terms of team play he fits better.
Kings add a PF for cheap, and Tele's expiring gives them cap space

Suns trade:
Tucker
Raps trade:
Patterson/Clips 2017 First

Patterson gives us a decent and fairly cheap backup PF, and someone who can start for the rest of the year to build value. Adding a pick is always nice.
Raps get the 3&D SF to compete in the east. Tucker has shown he capable at guarding anyone from the SG/SF/PF slot effectively

Suns trade:
Knight/Len
Nets trade:
Lopez/RHJ

I dont want anymore of the PG/PG lineup, especially at the cost of Booker. Lopez give us an effective C for a couple of years. And RHJ adds youth.
Nets are going nowhere fast. Len gives them a C who's bird rights they own. Knight gives them a starter who's appeal may attract a 2nd tier FA. They still retain a ton of cap space to work with.

Lopez/Chandler
Simmons or Ingram/Patterson
Warren/Gay
Booker/RHJ
Bledsoe/Goodwin

I'm not okay trading Len, a 22 year old, for Lopez, a 27 year old. I just don't think we're at a place where that makes sense. We're trading a 22 and 24 year old for a 21 and 27 year old. I just don't see that happening.

The Tucker trade makes sense to me. We get a late pick we can hopefully use to draft a wing defender to replace Tucker.

I wouldn't make the Markieff/Tele trade because supposedly Markieff has a 1st out there for a few teams, and I'd rather have a first than Gay. Tele I think we could get a pick of some kind for as well, so give me the picks or a youngster instead of Gay.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Are we allowed to trade Price, or is he still injured beyond the next 33 or so hours?

Somehow Price ends up with the Clippers





...a guess

[Mulhollanddrive]

Any team is 2 players away from being a contender.

So pick your year you want to contend and get the best 2 players.
- If it's within 2 years, it's the 2 current best players that move teams through Trade and FA.
- If it's in 3 years or more, it's the best 2 players in the draft over the next 3 years.

That's all there is to it, or die trying. Any conbuilding strategy, or GM winning small trades or revenue maximising stuff is baloney.

[RunandGunSuns]

We need to trade kieff for at least a mid 1st rounder.
Tucker for a late first rounder or young talent.
Trade knight for whatever we can get as long as it's not an older less efficient player.

I wouldn't mind trying to make a play for Thaddeus young, always liked him as a player.

Thoughts on trading for Ben mclemore?

Possible kieff and Tyson for mclemore, gay and a first?


Pick N Roll at its best with a side of pop! RIP Amare + Nash

[MathiasPW]

I feel the same way. Even if he is a headcase, he's our headcase. We drafted him, we developed him, and I hope we stick with him. The kid has a bright future in the NBA and I hope it's in Phoenix.

I wish the Suns didn't always trade the players they draft a la Lopez and Dragic. The summer league teams with those two were so hype. I wish we had kept them around.

that was hilarious.

[thamadkant]

Im actually more concerned about Booker and Goodwin just becomming dummies again on the court and on the bench with Knight back and jacking shots whenever he sees the rim in the offensive end.

[Amareca]

Phoenix fans need to learn to chill and enjoy.

Why are Suns fans so black and white on everything? It is either love or hate and more often than not it seems they are hating.
Suns fans turned on Kidd, Marion, Amare to name a few..

I wouldn't care if Markieff stays, suns fans need to stop being do confrontational with hin however.

Also the hate Knight gets is unreal. Sure id like to trade him because of Booker but to throe a hissy fit because they dont trade Knight and Morris for Tobias Harris, a true tweener? Cmon.. I wouldnt want Hartis for Morris.

[MathiasPW]

Im actually more concerned about Booker and Goodwin just becomming dummies again on the court and on the bench with Knight back and jacking shots whenever he sees the rim in the offensive end.

I highly doubt it. Their minutes will decrease for sure, but the style of play should stay the same.

McGoNuts specifically said after Hornaceks dismissal that players were asking for a more structured system (Hornacek outsourced a lot of the decision-making to his guards). And we could see that in the games were Goodwin - who has slashing as his strenght - was more focused on passing and moving the ball, instead of driving to collapse the defense and then kicking the ball out.

I assume Knight will play along the same pattern that Goodwin was doing, involving the frontcourt rather than ball-hogging all the way.

[MathiasPW]

Phoenix fans need to learn to chill and enjoy.

Why are Suns fans so black and white on everything? It is either love or hate and more often than not it seems they are hating.
Suns fans turned on Kidd, Marion, Amare to name a few..

I wouldn't care if Markieff stays, suns fans need to stop being do confrontational with hin however.

Also the hate Knight gets is unreal. Sure id like to trade him because of Booker but to throe a hissy fit because they dont trade Knight and Morris for Tobias Harris, a true tweener? Cmon.. I wouldnt want Hartis for Morris.

Hi and welcome.

Do not deny the hate. Accept the hate. Let it flow through you.

[JMac1]

Empty stat machine and one way player. No thank you.

You sure?

That's fine. Difference of opinion. I followed him while he was at Washington. Great college player. NBA All-star.

Its ok a lot of our posters are experiencing cognitive dissonance trying to justify giving him away for pennies on the dollar

The man who gets paid big money saw it the same way, that's makes me happy. Not missing Thomas one bit, and this is my first time ever talking about him post trade. 5'7 shoot first PG.............