Tank Fest Update Around the League

[bwgood77]

We literally can't even excel at even one thing. Mired in pereptual medicority

We've made progress from the past two years. At this rate we'll be at the bottom of the league next year.

I typed up a post similar...but didn't post....we are far from mediocrity right now....then I realized we will strive for it next year. I don't want to endure another season like this one, but if Bledsoe can stay healthy and we nail the draft picks, we will be back where we have been, in that spot.

If I could fast forward a year and add a top 3 pick next year, and not have to live through next season getting there, I'd take it, and maybe I take it anyway, but a big step forward like when we drafted Amare would be a nice thing to see too, and even if we end up with that 13th pick, maybe we get some guy anyway. I would like to enjoy watching out Suns next year and watch Booker and whoever we add make things exciting.

[Damkac]

If Suns won't get top 3 pick then I don't care much if we got 4th or 6th pick.

[Bogyo]

I think that the way things are shaping out we would still have a relatively good chance to get Bender in the 4th (5th?) spot.
Philly and Boston might take Dunn, Brown (or even Hield if he continues to tear it up) before they go with Bender. In this case I would not hesitate at all to pick him up in the 4th or 5th position, afterall pretty much all draft sites and scouts do like him a lot.

[Saberestar]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

[Bogyo]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

Heck, if we pick up another guard with our pick or the Wash pick even then we must trade Knight. Or if Bogdan comes over.

[TeamTragic]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

When I run the Tankathon simulator you know how many times we drop to the sixth/seventh pick? Almost every single time yet people on this forum want to keep winning games.

If you honestly want this franchise to succeed by building through the draft (which 95% have suggested) then guess what needs to happen?

We need to tank and you non-tankers need to get your heads out of your asses

[saintEscaton]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

When I run the Tankathon simulator you know how many times we drop to the sixth/seventh pick? Almost every single time yet people on this forum want to keep winning games.

If you honestly want this franchise to succeed by building through the draft (which 95% have suggested) then guess what needs to happen?

We need to tank and you need to get your head out of your ass

The anti-takers are the loud minority I presume, preserving our dignity my arse. Probably the same people who don't realize the dire implications of falling behind Brookly.So glad we don't have actually have a say on what happens in the court Now if only Wtson gave more minutes to Jenkins, Alan Williams, Budinger and Pice and benched Knightmare,Tucker, Chandler and Telly whenever they overachieve

[bwgood77]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

When I run the Tankathon simulator you know how many times we drop to the sixth/seventh pick? Almost every single time yet people on this forum want to keep winning games.

If you honestly want this franchise to succeed by building through the draft (which 95% have suggested) then guess what needs to happen?

We need to tank and you need to get your head out of your ass

He's just being realistic. Yes, we need or should try to finish with the worst record possible, but just because he says he accepts what is likely to happen, you shouldn't be claiming that is him saying he wants to win as many games as possible.

It's crazy that people like you think he is advocating for that.

[bwgood77]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

When I run the Tankathon simulator you know how many times we drop to the sixth/seventh pick? Almost every single time yet people on this forum want to keep winning games.

If you honestly want this franchise to succeed by building through the draft (which 95% have suggested) then guess what needs to happen?

We need to tank and you need to get your head out of your ass

Probablythe same people who don't realize the dire implications of falling behind Brookly.nSo glad we don't have actually have a say on what happens in the court Now if onlyWtson gave more minutes to Jenkins, Alan Williams, Budinger and Pice and benched Knightmare,Tucker Chandler and Telly whenever they overachieve

Not sure how dire that will end up being, but it's very likely to happen, and I'm doubting people are hoping we finish better than Brooklyn.

People that need to pull their heads out are the ones that claim others when posting realistic circumstances are hoping we get the 7th pick. This is beyond ridiculous.

[JMac1]

I'd take anyone named Simmons, Ingram, Murray, Hield, Dunn, and roll the die with Bender, so as long as we are in the top six, I don;t give a six. Anyone could bust or bust out at this stage. I think everyone should just relax, we are guaranteed no higher than six with a fourth place finish at worst and being jumped by two teams which is highly unlikely.

If there is someone we really want and we are 3-5, I believe we could trade #12 with the Washington pick and get Ingram or Simmons if need be, because they are really not much better if at all than the others. I guarantee that some team would love to gamble on a Dunn or Hield, but would be afraid to pass on Ingram or Simmons; but if they are giving an out like a #3-5 and #12 they'd might take that offer.

[nevetsov]

So let me get this straight - some here are saying that we MUST (100%) tank to get a high pick... Because if we don't and slip to 4th, it's very likely that teams that finish with a better record (and a worse % chance a top 3) WILL leapfrog us and push us down from 4th to 7th?


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So maybe we should try and win out and secure the 7th best record, if it's more likely that from those odds we'll end up with a top 3 pick...

[saintEscaton]

So let me get this straight - some here are saying that we MUST (100%) tank to get a high pick... Because if we don't and slip to 4th, it's very likely that teams that finish with a better record (and a worse % chance a top 3) WILL leapfrog us and push us down from 4th to 7th?


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So maybe we should try and win out and secure the 7th best record, if it's more likely that from those odds we'll end up with a top 3 pick...

It is imperative to finish with the third rather than fourth worst record because we are 14% less likely to drop down to picking 5/6 and 15% more likely to pick 4th. There is almost no difference in the odds we land a Top 3 pick between them, so is about playing the pinballs in order to avoidi the worst case scenario

[TeamTragic]

I'm preparing myself to pick at #7. It's sad, but true.

If we stay like the fourth worst record in the league (thanks Brooklyn) we are going to pick #1-#7 for sure.

At that position I am open to select Buddy Hield. He can play both ends and he is a late bloomer so probably he can improve and be in his prime like Michael Redd or Starks.

With him on board it would be a must to trade Knight....another good reason to pick Hield if he is available.

When I run the Tankathon simulator you know how many times we drop to the sixth/seventh pick? Almost every single time yet people on this forum want to keep winning games.

If you honestly want this franchise to succeed by building through the draft (which 95% have suggested) then guess what needs to happen?

We need to tank and you need to get your head out of your ass

He's just being realistic. Yes, we need or should try to finish with the worst record possible, but just because he says he accepts what is likely to happen, you shouldn't be claiming that is him saying he wants to win as many games as possible.

It's crazy that people like you think he is advocating for that.

No you misunderstood. That last statement is for people who don't want to tank and keep winning games. Not the original poster I had quoted. I was addressing the anti-tankers who want to push our pick further down the draft with their imbecile arguments.

Just edited my post for clarity

So let me get this straight - some here are saying that we MUST (100%) tank to get a high pick... Because if we don't and slip to 4th, it's very likely that teams that finish with a better record (and a worse % chance a top 3) WILL leapfrog us and push us down from 4th to 7th?


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So maybe we should try and win out and secure the 7th best record, if it's more likely that from those odds we'll end up with a top 3 pick...

No. We are saying we don't want to our pick to drop down outside the top 3. Therefore we need to strategically tank. Worst case scenario we stay in the top 5. Below that would be ineffective tanking as we we need all the help we can get since we are rebuilding through the draft.

[JMac1]

So let me get this straight - some here are saying that we MUST (100%) tank to get a high pick... Because if we don't and slip to 4th, it's very likely that teams that finish with a better record (and a worse % chance a top 3) WILL leapfrog us and push us down from 4th to 7th?


...

So maybe we should try and win out and secure the 7th best record, if it's more likely that from those odds we'll end up with a top 3 pick...

It is imperative to finish with the third rather than fourth worst record because we are 14% less likely to drop down to picking 5/6 and 15% more likely to pick 4th. There is almost no difference in the odds we land a Top 3 pick between them

We will.

[nevetsov]

But you're all talking in absolutes, as if finishing 4th will guarantee us a lower pick. That's not how it works.

If we do finish 4th and happen to luck out and finish with say the 2nd pick (which I'm sure has happened to a 4th placed team before), and Brooklyn drops from say 3 to 5, I really hope you doom-and-gloomers are willing to eat some crow. Judging by the personnel involved here, I'm not going to hold my breath.

[TeamTragic]

But you're all talking in absolutes, as if finishing 4th will guarantee us a lower pick. That's not how it works.

If we do finish 4th and happen to luck out and finish with say the 2nd pick (which I'm sure has happened to a 4th placed team before), and Brooklyn drops from say 3 to 5, I really hope you doom-and-gloomers are willing to eat some crow. Judging by the personnel involved here, I'm not going to hold my breath.

It is imperative to finish with the third rather than fourth worst record because we are 14% less likely to drop down to picking 5/6 and 15% more likely to pick 4th. There is almost no difference in the odds we land a Top 3 pick between them, so is about playing the ping pong balls in order to avoid the worst case scenario

[bwgood77]

No you misunderstood. That last statement is for people who don't want to tank and keep winning games. Not the original poster I had quoted. I was addressing the anti-tankers who want to push our pick further down the draft with their imbecile arguements

I don't think anyone hopes we get a worse draft pick. But in game threads when people see the team playing well and applaud them for it that doesn't mean they were hoping we won. You can't change what happened, but you can talk about what was good about our players.

In a few game threads lately, when people get in this discussion people assume they were hoping we won which makes our draft slot worse. I know maybe jdiddy and maybe one or two other people want us to win regardless, but there are only a few of them.

[TeamTragic]

No you misunderstood. That last statement is for people who don't want to tank and keep winning games. Not the original poster I had quoted. I was addressing the anti-tankers who want to push our pick further down the draft with their imbecile arguements

I don't think anyone hopes we get a worse draft pick. But in game threads when people see the team playing well and applaud them for it that doesn't mean they were hoping we won. You can't change what happened, but you can talk about what was good about our players.

In a few game threads lately, when people get in this discussion people assume they were hoping we won which makes our draft slot worse. I know maybe jdiddy and maybe one or two other people want us to win regardless, but there are only a few of them.

Correct. I'm just addressing the minority that aren't yet on board

[saintEscaton]

So let me get this straight - some here are saying that we MUST (100%) tank to get a high pick... Because if we don't and slip to 4th, it's very likely that teams that finish with a better record (and a worse % chance a top 3) WILL leapfrog us and push us down from 4th to 7th?


...

So maybe we should try and win out and secure the 7th best record, if it's more likely that from those odds we'll end up with a top 3 pick...

It is imperative to finish with the third rather than fourth worst record because we are 14% less likely to drop down to picking 5/6 and 15% more likely to pick 4th. There is almost no difference in the odds we land a Top 3 pick between them

We will.

I wouldn't be all that confident, we can conceivably win three consecutive games, we are playing the Grizz and the Lakers at home, the lowly Kings and a Pels team that just shut down AD before going to Minny who could overtake us with a head to head loss

[bwgood77]

No you misunderstood. That last statement is for people who don't want to tank and keep winning games. Not the original poster I had quoted. I was addressing the anti-tankers who want to push our pick further down the draft with their imbecile arguements

I don't think anyone hopes we get a worse draft pick. But in game threads when people see the team playing well and applaud them for it that doesn't mean they were hoping we won. You can't change what happened, but you can talk about what was good about our players.

In a few game threads lately, when people get in this discussion people assume they were hoping we won which makes our draft slot worse. I know maybe jdiddy and maybe one or two other people want us to win regardless, but there are only a few of them.

Correct. I'm just addressing the minority that aren't yet on board

But it doesn't really matter what people hope for. Who cares what people hope for. Convincing anyone how you think they should view a situation isn't going to change whether or not we lose games. That's why when people start arguing about this stuff, it doesn't make sense......because what is going to happen is going to happen.