Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[AtheJ415]

That's a terrible trade for us.

That's a steal for Phoenix depending on the pick. The right to swap picks would essentially give us the best chance of winning the draft. Also we get Randle who is a looking like a young double double machine and can run the floor like a dear. All for the price of Chandler & Keiff, two players we're looking to move anyway? Question is who (Lakers or Suns) would provide what pick to the Cavs. Don't think the Cavs would do this though.

You're basically trading a 1st rounder, Kieff and Chandler for Randle and the right to move up 1 or 2 picks at best.

Contrary to popular opinion, Randle is terrible. I watch the Lakers a lot and I would never want him on the Suns.

Yeah. Just because you were a high pick doesn't make you good, and just because you were a mid-late pick doesn't mean you can't become a star. This board, like most boards, suffers from a lot of that at times.

[AtheJ415]

I'm willing to trade TJ for Love. I view him as Lakers fans view Clarkson, a good efficient young player with a limited ceiling. Most likely a bench player or slightly above average starter.

Besides, you can't have a starting lineup with Booker, Love and TJ on defense.

I don't think TJ becomes a star. We'll see. But despite that, I don't trade him for a 27 year old. That's the type of playoff glass ceiling you create when you add guys like Love while trading your promising youngsters. I like that McDonough for the most part has built around a common age range. It makes complete sense to me.

[dremill24]

I'd trade a PG for Rodney Hood right about now. Kid's legit.

[letsgosuns]

This current Cavaliers situation reminds me a lot of the 2007-08 Suns team that traded Marion. The Suns were 34-14 but were struggling against the other top teams in the league. Plus the Lakers got Gasol and the Suns felt they had to do something and traded for Shaq. The Cavaliers are beating everyone but struggle against the other top two teams in the league. It is obvious they probably have no chance of beating the Warriors or Spurs in a seven game series assuming those two teams are healthy, so they might have to do something. They will probably give the new coach a chance for a few games before they potentially make a big trade but I would not be surprised to see them do something drastic, just like the Suns did.

[TeamTragic]

That's why McD held onto IT for that long. Now you guys can shut the **** up about why IT wasn't traded quicker. Can you imagine adding Love + signing Chandler in the off-season?

Maybe LMA would have picked the SUNS if we had acquired Love. God damn it. You have to give McD credit here

[bwgood77]

If Hornacek has not been fired by now, I doubt he gets fired at all. I expect the Suns to let him go in the offseason and go after a fresh face. There are plenty of coaches available but three coaches I see as potential candidates are Luke Walton, Mark Jackson, and Tom Thibodeau.

Yuck

[bwgood77]

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Cavs get rid of Blatt before we get rid of Horny. The NBA is a crazy place.

Seriously. What the hell is going on?

It doesn't matter who they hire or fire the fact of the matter is that they will never win a championship because Lebron is not good enough to lead a team to a NBA title without 2 or 3 other superstars with him. I know Irving is a superstar but he lacks real experience in the playoffs and I don't consider Love as a superstar. I know you guys will probably say that I'm a idiot for saying that Lebron isn't good enough to lead them to a title but if you watch Lebron over the years you'll realize that he doesn't handle pressure very well especially when it really matters. The only reason he has 2 NBA championship is because the Thunder were inexperience and the Spurs basically gave away the Finals.

NO ONE is good enough to carry a team to the finals without a couple of superstars around them, or just a super solid supporting cast with other all stars. Jordan couldn't do it without Pippen. Kobe couldn't come close without Gasol or Shaq. Wade without Shaq, Duncan without Robinson or Manu and Tony + great role players who got hot in the finals like Kerr and Stephen Jackson or Horry, or just the fact they met the crappy Cavs in 2007 when that should have been us.

Funny thing is, Dirk's team in 2011 is probably the best example of a single superstar leading a team to the finals victory...sure, great coach, and Tyson and Kidd were good, but I don't even know that they were all stars.

The last guy before that may have been Hakeem at his peak those two years when Jordan retired....of course other years the Suns should have been there, particularly in 95. Now I'm making myself depressed.

[bwgood77]

Chandler, Kieff, Tucker and the Cavs pick for Love and Mozgov

Cavs need complementary players to LeBron. Defense, rebounding, players that can be effective without the ball in their hands. That is Chandler and Tucker. They also need a player that will get in LeBron's face if he has to. Chandler is one of the few players in the league that will do that.

Kieff provides a backup for Thompson.

I am not sure if Love is a star player as in a "big three" type of player. But I would be willing to gamble on him.

Could also do Knight, Chandler, and Tucker and a pick for Love, Mozgov, and Mo Williams.

Might as well...not sure Cavs would and Love might not lead us anywhere, but I think a little less exposure does him some good, and at least our team would likely be relevant.....we are not winning a championship in the next 5 years, but if we could compete and if I could have fun watching the team, that would be good for me.

[bwgood77]

So Josh Smith gets traded back to the Rockets. Terrence Jones must be on his way out.

Makes perfect sense....Smith is expiring, so they can work Kieff in slowly.

[bwgood77]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

Overreactions, lack of people seeing big picture, lack of seeing he has dealt with probably the worst roster disfunction in the league and crap talent over the last few years (maybe not crappiest talent, but when combined with playoff expectations, relatively speaking, and roster turnover, disgruntled players due to FO moves, crappy injuries, etc) not good. It's funny, the Celtics wanted him when they ended up going with Doc Rivers and then the Sixers when they went with Brett Brown....I think in both situations, the FO situation would have been perfect for him to do well. He is likely going to be that Belichick/Carroll guy, that coached in crappy run organizations (Browns/Pats at the time) their first time around, and then came back to lead teams to being very good....if he even decides to coach again.

[bwgood77]

http://www.fearthesword.com/2016/1/21/10811424/report-cavaliers-considered-trading-kevin-love-to-suns-last-season

Interesting, Knight and Markieff might be the ideal move for them....Knight as 6th man and injury insurance...Knight would be MUCH better with LeBron as primary ball handler and Kieff would be held in check.

[Cutter]

Is Bledsoe Booker Warren Love Len a playoff team?


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No, I don't think that is a playoff team.

[Mr Puddles]

That's a terrible trade for us.

That's a steal for Phoenix depending on the pick. The right to swap picks would essentially give us the best chance of winning the draft. Also we get Randle who is a looking like a young double double machine and can run the floor like a dear. All for the price of Chandler & Keiff, two players we're looking to move anyway? Question is who (Lakers or Suns) would provide what pick to the Cavs. Don't think the Cavs would do this though.

You're basically trading a 1st rounder, Kieff and Chandler for Randle and the right to move up 1 or 2 picks at best.

Contrary to popular opinion, Randle is terrible. I watch the Lakers a lot and I would never want him on the Suns.

The Suns would hold the best chance of getting either Ben Simmons or Ingraham though. Say we end up with the 2nd worst record in the league and the (now somewhat improved) Lakers with the 5th worst. No team in the NBA would have a better chance of winning the lottery that we do - either the Suns get a top two pick, or perhaps the Lakers do and we swap picks. That alone is not a bad deal for trading overpaid chandler and useless Keiff. This does depend on what pick we're trading. If it's the CLE #1, I say yes. If it's either one of the Miami picks, I say no.

[bwgood77]

But, it was
Tucker, Kieff, Knight and Goodwin for Love and JR Smith

I would be all over that deal. All over that deal!!

And then next year

Chandler/Len
Love/Leuer
Warren
Booker
Bledsoe

We might actually make a playoff push. But the biggest thing would be taking out 3 birds in one stone - Tucker, Kieff and Knight all gone.

edit: Of course, would be nice to send Chandler packing as well.

I think Chandler would be nice next to Love (two great rebounders, but one great defender in middle to cover up the subpar defense of Love), and a nice backup for years to come....probably rather unload Knight, who would work well in Cleveland with LeBron being primary ball handler.

[bwgood77]

Is Bledsoe Booker Warren Love Len a playoff team?


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No, but with Chandler starting and Tucker playing off the bench if we did a Kieff/Knight trade, we would have decent defense, because that 2-4 defense is really bad, and Len fouls out so much, and still needs to improve defensively (centers sometimes take a while...Chandler did).....I know people hate Tucker, but he would be a nice energy bench guy....kind of like X man was for us or Bo Outlaw.....I can't even remember if we had both of those guys, but we had at least one...a couple of quick drinks after stressful week and work day can leave me a bit foggy.

[bwgood77]

My reaction to every wishful proposal above

They never do, but I imagine that pic is from Mean Girls, and I think whatever she's talking about DID happen, so there is that.

[bwgood77]

This current Cavaliers situation reminds me a lot of the 2007-08 Suns team that traded Marion. The Suns were 34-14 but were struggling against the other top teams in the league. Plus the Lakers got Gasol and the Suns felt they had to do something and traded for Shaq. The Cavaliers are beating everyone but struggle against the other top two teams in the league. It is obvious they probably have no chance of beating the Warriors or Spurs in a seven game series assuming those two teams are healthy, so they might have to do something. They will probably give the new coach a chance for a few games before they potentially make a big trade but I would not be surprised to see them do something drastic, just like the Suns did.

They are overreacting. You never know what happens in the west...Kawhi and Curry could get injured just like Love and Kyrie did last year....they need to focus, take care of business, and they may cruise through the east while OKC and someone else fights these two top west teams in the semi's and then they beat each up in the WCF. If I were the Cavs I wouldn't panic.

[Cutter]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

Overreactions, lack of people seeing big picture, lack of seeing he has dealt with probably the worst roster disfunction in the league and crap talent over the last few years (maybe not crappiest talent, but when combined with playoff expectations, relatively speaking, and roster turnover, disgruntled players due to FO moves, crappy injuries, etc) not good. It's funny, the Celtics wanted him when they ended up going with Doc Rivers and then the Sixers when they went with Brett Brown....I think in both situations, the FO situation would have been perfect for him to do well. He is likely going to be that Belichick/Carroll guy, that coached in crappy run organizations (Browns/Pats at the time) their first time around, and then came back to lead teams to being very good....if he even decides to coach again.

And1. I so appreciate your common sense stance on Hornacek, especially against the anti-Hornacek hysteria and outright ridiculousness that has taken over this board. The struggles on this team are not being caused by Horny. The struggles on this team are caused by a lack of talent on the roster.

[bwgood77]

That's a steal for Phoenix depending on the pick. The right to swap picks would essentially give us the best chance of winning the draft. Also we get Randle who is a looking like a young double double machine and can run the floor like a dear. All for the price of Chandler & Keiff, two players we're looking to move anyway? Question is who (Lakers or Suns) would provide what pick to the Cavs. Don't think the Cavs would do this though.

You're basically trading a 1st rounder, Kieff and Chandler for Randle and the right to move up 1 or 2 picks at best.

Contrary to popular opinion, Randle is terrible. I watch the Lakers a lot and I would never want him on the Suns.

The Suns would hold the best chance of getting either Ben Simmons or Ingraham though. Say we end up with the 2nd worst record in the league and the (now somewhat improved) Lakers with the 5th worst. No team in the NBA would have a better chance of winning the lottery that we do - either the Suns get a top two pick, or perhaps the Lakers do and we swap picks. That alone is not a bad deal for trading overpaid chandler and useless Keiff. This does depend on what pick we're trading. If it's the CLE #1, I say yes. If it's either one of the Miami picks, I say no.

I don't think you make trades based on something that boils down to luck....the lottery is luck. Everyone's odds are less than a coin flip, so it is always going to be random. Sure it's better to buy more lottery tickets so you have more chances, but it's still unlikely you win because there are a lot of other people in the game. Besides, no one is trading a chance at getting Simmons or Ingram at this point.

[bwgood77]

Why is everyone up in arms that Hornacek hasn't been fired yet? He played Booker/Warren/Archie/Len all over 30 minutes last night, Booker even played 43 minutes. I mean, he kinda had to with only 8 players suited up, but still we're losing games playing our young guns and hopefully land a top pick in the process. What more can you guys ask for?

Overreactions, lack of people seeing big picture, lack of seeing he has dealt with probably the worst roster disfunction in the league and crap talent over the last few years (maybe not crappiest talent, but when combined with playoff expectations, relatively speaking, and roster turnover, disgruntled players due to FO moves, crappy injuries, etc) not good. It's funny, the Celtics wanted him when they ended up going with Doc Rivers and then the Sixers when they went with Brett Brown....I think in both situations, the FO situation would have been perfect for him to do well. He is likely going to be that Belichick/Carroll guy, that coached in crappy run organizations (Browns/Pats at the time) their first time around, and then came back to lead teams to being very good....if he even decides to coach again.

And1. I so appreciate your common sense stance on Hornacek, especially against the anti-Hornacek hysteria and outright ridiculousness that has taken over this board. The struggles on this team are not being caused by Horny. The struggles on this team are caused by a lack of talent on the roster.

I like it...Cutter cuts right through all the BS.