The 2016 Offseason Thread

letsgosuns · Post #461 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:57 pm

If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

NavLDO · Post #462 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:59 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I hope the Suns make the playoffs, even as an 8th seed. They already have enough young players that I believe are a great foundation to become a contending team one day. It is time they start growing and winning games. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Booker, Len, Warren, Goodwin, Bender, Chriss, and Ulis are all between 18-23. Seven players that age is a lot of young guys. And I think they all have potential to be impact players. I also think some of them have a chance to be all stars, and I am not talking many years from now. I think within a couple years from now.

The fact some fans already want to tank a full season blows me away. It is only July. I was all for tanking last year halfway through the season because the team was terrible and we all knew they sucked. The makeup of the team was awful. It was the worst Suns season I ever saw. I feel the complete opposite about the team now. These are the most exciting Suns young players since 2004. Apparently the national media even sees it more than some of you fans. Lots of praise from writers of different teams and analysts about the Summer Suns.

Some people said it is not even fair that Booker was playing in the Summer League because he is the best player out there and runs circles around everyone else. Funny because I do not recall any media guy saying that about D'Angelo Russell who was the number two pick in the draft last year. Yet literally everyone was going crazy for Booker. Pretty awesome when people say a 19 year old player is way too good to play in the Summer League. Then there are people saying Bender is the most impressive rookie in the draft. So the Suns have multiple young guys that many people are super high on yet some fans want the team to purposefully lose games before training camp starts. Idk what to say to those fans. I guess they like having high lottery picks every year and reading mock drafts more than watching their own team win games.

Apparently some fans think we don't even have players that are marginal starters.

Excluding Bledsoe its 'an uninformed' assessment

FIFY...man, that's two fixes in less than hour...

saintEscaton · Post #463 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:04 pm

NavLDO wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Joe Pong wrote:
I think you're a classic case of a fan overrating their teams own players. There isn't a player on the team who is more than a marginal starter. It's a team full of role players and guys who should be coming off the bench for at a decent team.

Welcome and don't mind the "seasoned vets", you are probably wiser than those who look down upon you. JMac is as guilty as anyone of your accused offense

It all makes sense now, saint. So you agree with that assessment then, since you said he was 'wiser' than the other 'seasoned vets' on this forum? A guy that's made all of 6 posts?? OK, then, again, makes sense. You are a fan of discounting young players and their abilities, based solely upon, what, exactly?? How they played in college/Europe as teenagers??

At least Frank shows some sense of reason and moments of positivity, yet you would rather claim a new poster with 6 posts 'wiser' than the forum Vets. Similar to how you view our players, right? Off of extremely limited evidence?? What exactly do you know about Mr. Joe Pong that leads you to believe he's so much wiser?? Because he makes one post that you are in agreement with??? Awesome. Like I said, it all makes sense now, with your 'Len-hate' and such.

Again I'm not writing off any one our youngins(beside Len who looks more and more like a rotation big with each game) but anybody who thinks this squad even if healthy is challlenging for the 8th seed is delusional. I am willing to do a sig bet

DirtyDez · Post #464 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:09 pm

letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

They were a perennial .500 team the previous five years and were just as irrelevant as the last 3. At least now they have some young guys with potential. Those mediocre Sixers teams with Andre Iguodala as their best player were absolutely unwatchable.

I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year.

saintEscaton · Post #465 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:09 pm

letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

Noel has accomplished as much as anybody on our core FYI, take a look at his historic defensive rookie season. A if Bender can't play more than spot minutes at the 3 and Chriss is only a 4 then they will always be attached to the hip and competing for burn. Same could be said about us."Do you expect Bender to be Kukoc, Chriss to become Sean Kemp,Booker to be Kobe, TJ to be Bernard King and Len to be Marc Gasol? You need to start following other teams and the draft, before making such clueless statemetns

letsgosuns · Post #466 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:20 pm

Imo, the West got weaker this year. Thunder took the biggest hit by losing Durant. Then the Spurs losing Duncan, their perennial superstar that is the most important player in their history, makes them far less intimidating. I also think the Rockets and Blazers made terrible decisions by giving mediocre players huge contracts. The Mavericks are okay. Should be competitive but that is about it. The Jazz signings on paper look alright but in reality, how much can a 35 year old Johnson and 34 year old Diaw help them. This is not 2006. The only team I think that got better is the Grizzlies but that is mostly because they should get their players back in addition to signing a quality player like Parsons, assuming he is healthy.

letsgosuns · Post #467 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:23 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

They were a perennial .500 team the previous five years and were just as irrelevant as the last 3. At least now they have some young guys with potential. Those mediocre Sixers teams with Andre Iguodala as their best player were absolutely unwatchable.

I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year.

"I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year."

You just proved the point as to why tanking is not the answer. That is exactly why myself and many others say tanking does not guarantee anything.

asudevil · Post #468 » by **asudevil** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:28 pm

NTB wrote:Philly absolutely have no future better than us with that roster structure. They have some good talents but I don't think they rebuilded properly. Yea Simmons is a great talent, but they need to trade one of Noel or Okafor if they choose to continue with Embiid, which we couldn't see how he plays yet. With other teams know that they have to trade one of their big men, they won't offer too much and it will turn to Philly as a one year wasted by tanking, because they won't be able to make use of their pick when they trade it for lesser value.

They added veteran guards because they have a big hole at guard position, but those moves were temporary solutions and they still have no guard for future.

They have Simmons-Embiid-Saric(which I'm not sure if he will succeed in NBA) and one of Noel-Okafor. Btw Philly has no shooting at all with that core. I really don't like their core, they are really good individually but not very much when they combine.

Suns have talent and prospects at every position.

Ulis-Bledsoe(still not too old) - Booker - Warren - Bender/Chriss - Len

I'm a huge advocate of veteran leadership on a roster. Coaches teach players how to run plays, but its the vets that teach on the floor. We now have that veteran presence at every position on the floor, who will hold the young guys accountable. And with Watson, we now have a coach who can motive/lead from the bench....something Horny sorely lacked.

Philly doesnt have that. They've got what, Brand and Landry.....two players who have barely played for winners.

bigfoot · Post #469 » by **bigfoot** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:36 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

They were a perennial .500 team the previous five years and were just as irrelevant as the last 3. At least now they have some young guys with potential. Those mediocre Sixers teams with Andre Iguodala as their best player were absolutely unwatchable.

I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year.

"I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year."

You just proved the point as to why tanking is not the answer. That is exactly why myself and many others say tanking does not guarantee anything.

Yep I agree ...

We got Booker at 13. Didn't luck into that one. Didn't need to tank.
We got Marion at 9.
We got Amare at 9.
We got Nance at 20.
We got Marjele at 14.

You can find great players without having a top 3 pick. At one time we picked Armon Gilliam at #2 ... remember how good that dude was?

letsgosuns · Post #470 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:37 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

Noel has accomplished as much as anybody on our core FYI, take a look at his historic defensive rookie season. A if Bender can't play more than spot minutes at the 3 and Chriss is only a 4 then they will always be attached to the hip and competing for burn. Same could be said about us."Do you expect Bender to be Kukoc, Chriss to become Sean Kemp,Booker to be Kobe, TJ to be Bernard King and Len to be Marc Gasol? You need to start following other teams and the draft, before making such clueless statemetns

It is pointless to argue about this because we have a fundamental disagreement about these players. You are obviously not high on any of the Suns young players and especially not high on Booker if you think he has not accomplished more than Noel. How many scoring records did Booker join last season as a teenager? A lot. I watch Noel and I see a good, young defensive minded center. But I also saw games where Hassan Whiteside completely overpowered and embarrassed Noel the same way he did to Len. I also see Noel as a guy that is a terrible free throw shooter and does not shoot threes at all or even many outside shots in general. In addition, he has had injury issues unfortunately, although I hope he is recovered and healthy now. Maybe he turns into Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo, but I do not see it.

NavLDO · Post #471 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:45 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Well would you rather get swept by the Dubs on national television or have a chance at one of the crown jewels of a coveted 2017 class?

I would rather go into the season with a positive attitude and try to win games rather than say we cannot win the championship this year so let's tank for the number one pick. Plus, do you really think a team that has as much talent as the Suns is going to get a top-five pick? The team should be so much better it is not even comparable to last year.

Look at the differences between last year and this year:

Last year- Markieff destroying the season, Hornacek doing a terrible job, Lots of injuries

This year- No more Markieff as he has been replaced by two top-ten picks and Jared Dudley, A coach in Watson that players love playing for, Winning veterans that bring leadership, A rising star in Booker, Overall more positive energy surrounding the team, Bledsoe building chemistry as a leader

It is pretty obvious to me the differences between this upcoming season versus last season. Just the fact that the Suns will not have a power forward out there actively trying to lose games and tanking on purpose will do wonders for them. The Suns now have players with great attitudes that want to win.

I am not saying the Suns will the championship. But when you have so many young players, I think it is an enormous mistake to say hey guys let's suck so we can add one more draft pick. That creates a losing culture and that is not the way I believe an organization should behave. Look at the 76ers. Absolutely suck every year. No free agents want to go there and most players want nothing to do with them. I have no interest in becoming like them. I doubt any fan does. Is that what you want?

Yes I am a staunch advocate of embracing a full rebuild, may not have to gut the roster but at least organically bottom out, we didn't make any stopgap treadmill moves so I think we are gunna suck regardless. Hinkie had to take the fall and didn't get to reap the fruits of the Process but he has set up Philly for the forseeable future and BC only has him to thank. Anyways I think the West gets even deeper now, everyone is gunna beat up on each other so maybe a .500 record is enough to sneak in but doubt Portland/ Houston/Grizz aren taking a step back, Pels/Jazz look to resurge and Minny could make finally make the jump

How, exactly, has Hinkie set the 76ers up for success?? They have (possibles in parenthesis):

PFs:
Ben Simmons
Nerlens Noel
Carl Landry
Jerami Grant (SF)
Robert Covington (SF)
Dario Saric (SF)

Cs:
Elton Brand (PF)
Joel Embiid
Richaun Holmes (PF)
Sasha Kaun
Jahlil Okafor

So please, tell me, of those 11 players, how many can be on the court at on time??? 3. They were unsuccessful in their ability to trade Okafor as of yet, or Nerlens Noel, as of yet, even though it's widely known they are shopping them. In favor, mind you, of their 37th overall pick, last year, Richaun Holmes, and the 39th overall pick in 2014, Jerami Grant.

No, BC is left with trying to clean up the mess Hinkie left him, and is, by most accounts, having a difficult time in doing so, because nobody wants to give up anything of value for two players that cannot do much outside of 5 feet from the rim. Noel's a great Rim Defender, but offensively, his range is limited. Same with Okafor, except Okafor can only be of service offensively, but again, only within a certain range. Nobody wants to give up much value for a 6' 11", 275lb dude that can't do much other than score near the rim. 82% of his FG made were within 10 ft. So he can score near the rim, and Rebound. Yet, the current GM favors the two guys, Holmes/Grant, that can actually do MORE than those two outside of 10 ft. Holmes had 44 att from 3 (he only made 8) but the point is, he has game outside the paint that can be developed. Same with Grant--302 atts from 3. Noel?? ZERO.

Sure, BC has pieces to work with, but I guarantee you the return he eventually gets from Okafor and/or Noel is less than a 3rd overall and 6th overall pick. And yes, Len wouldn't be any better, but the difference is, we don't have 5 guys fighting for minutes at the C position. We have 3, if you count Alan Williams, and at the PF position, we have two 'nuggets', one of which is likely to bet more minutes at SF, and Dudley and/or Tucker, both of which will be playing out of position.

McD may have gotten a lot of 'flak' for all his Guards, but he was able to turn IT into a late 1st and Dragic into 2 likely early-to-mid Rd 1sts. Ennis was part of the trade for Knight, etc. Now, what will he get for Knight? IDK, but the point is, we are in a much better position with our roster than what Hinkie left BC.

DirtyDez · Post #472 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:46 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:If anyone thinks the 76ers blueprint is the way to go, then Idk what to tell you. In the past three seasons, they have won 19, 18, and 10 games. Talk about three years of irrelevance. Who is on their team now? Noel? That guy has done absolutely nothing in the league and was drafted years ago. He might get traded. Embiid? Drafted in 2014 and sadly has not even suited up to practice. No one has a clue when he will ever take the court and what he will do if and when he does. Okafor? The 76ers have been pushing to trade him all Summer. Oh yeah, all three of those guys play the same position and as far we know, are not versatile. So three guys and only one can be on the court at a time.

The 76ers new draft pick Simmons has the most potential of them all. There is one problem. He is one guy. Yes, one player. What are they supposed to do with one player? Oh yeah I forgot about Saric. The international player that was the 12th pick of 2014 draft. He is going to save them. Then there are all the top free agents that are breaking down the door to sign with the 76ers. I forgot about them too. Simmons and one of Noel/Embiid/Okafor would have to turn into Magic and Kareem from them to become anything. Does anyone see that happening? Good luck with that.

They were a perennial .500 team the previous five years and were just as irrelevant as the last 3. At least now they have some young guys with potential. Those mediocre Sixers teams with Andre Iguodala as their best player were absolutely unwatchable.

I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year.

"I mean they tanked and got unlucky. They could very easily have Karl Anthony-Towns or Andrew Wiggins had the lottery stuck to record like this year."

You just proved the point as to why tanking is not the answer. That is exactly why myself and many others say tanking does not guarantee anything.

It doesn't guarantee anything but compared to the alternative I'm not sure what he should've done differently. I suppose you could criticize Hinkie for trading semi-win now players like Iguodala, Holliday & Carter-Williams but I think they came out on top of those deals based on what we've seen. At the time I think we can some what agree that Embiid, Noel & Okafor were BPA even though they had questions.

If I'm a Sixers fan I'm not proud of winning 10-20 games a year but i wouldn't take it back if I could. Some ppl have the stomach for it, some don't.

NavLDO · Post #473 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:59 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Welcome and don't mind the "seasoned vets", you are probably wiser than those who look down upon you. JMac is as guilty as anyone of your accused offense

It all makes sense now, saint. So you agree with that assessment then, since you said he was 'wiser' than the other 'seasoned vets' on this forum? A guy that's made all of 6 posts?? OK, then, again, makes sense. You are a fan of discounting young players and their abilities, based solely upon, what, exactly?? How they played in college/Europe as teenagers??

At least Frank shows some sense of reason and moments of positivity, yet you would rather claim a new poster with 6 posts 'wiser' than the forum Vets. Similar to how you view our players, right? Off of extremely limited evidence?? What exactly do you know about Mr. Joe Pong that leads you to believe he's so much wiser?? Because he makes one post that you are in agreement with??? Awesome. Like I said, it all makes sense now, with your 'Len-hate' and such.

Again I'm not writing off any one our youngins(beside Len who looks more and more like a rotation big with each game) but anybody who thinks this squad even if healthy is challlenging for the 8th seed is delusional. I am willing to do a sig bet

Who has said that we are challenging for the 8th seed? I only answered your question, which I'd rather choose, being swept as an 8th seed or a 'tank' year. I made mention once, I believe, that if everything went right, we MIGHT challenge for an 8th seed, but I believe most of us believe we are a mid-to-late lotto team again this year. All "we've" said are that we are better off starting this season than we were starting off last season. Playoffs COULD be possible, but a lot would have to happen to 2-3 other teams in the West...like serious injury problems, and we'd have to have a complete and healthy roster and one of Chriss/Bender would have to have a season similar to Booker' last year in order to compete for the playoffs. But no, most here believe, as Bigfoot mentioned, we are likely a 33-45 win team (I'd put us closer to a 32-40 win team, and in the West, that's not a playoff team).

JMac1 · Post #474 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:I really believe the Suns are going to start the season with an eye on the playoffs. Our situation is so much more positive this year than last without the distraction of the Morri and the players not responding to Horny. Vegas has the Suns and Nets as the worst two teams in the league. That gives fuel to the players.

I don't see a league worst team with Bledsoe back and Dudley replacing the malcontent Kief. Remember that Kief played absolutely horrible last year until Watson took over. Before Bledsoe was injured and while Kief was playing poorly the Suns went 12-19. Booker wasn't playing any substantial minutes either.

Add in a healthy Chandler, Knight, and our new acquisitions in Barbosa, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss plus Alan Williams emergence and we should be very competitive if everyone stays healthy. The team chemistry should be infinitely better than last year. Factoring in all these changes I really don't think playing .500 ball is unrealistic.

So in the case of competing for the playoffs, Bender and Chriss fight for minutes at the backup PF spot. That competition is a good thing. One of them will earn 15-20 minutes per game while Dudley plays 28-30. It's likely both will get an opportunity in the game depending on how they are playing and the match ups.

In the unlikely event we are horrible after 40 games then we can look to move some vets (Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, and Barbs) at the trade deadline and give the rooks more burn.

The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.

Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460

Who cares? I wasn't stating how good or bad we would be, I was stating why we were not liked, but your buddy said we were basically the worst team in the league with zero talent. Non of our players could not start on a "decent" team. What is a "decent" team that all of our guys would be bench players on? Either he is trolling or he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Since you are referencing people to support that we suck mantra, find someone that would support what the ballboy said about us not having one quality player on our roster.

People like ballboy and Frank says these things because they want to trade everyone for Westbrook or Love, thinking if we all agree are players are worthless, why not trade them..... I am definitely hip to that game.

JMac1 · Post #475 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:03 pm

Joe Pong wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:

The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.

Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460

This is just a bad roster without a lot of upside. The best young talent on the roster has an upside of being adequate starters at best. There are no young superstars or potential stars who can be the building blocks of a contending team.

That isn't troll worthy?! Smh.. and the rest of his statement....

JMac1 · Post #476 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:04 pm

Joe Pong wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:

The Suns are hated by the media, if and when we win the Pacific, that means we beat out four teams from California, two being from LA and one from SF/Oak two huge NBA markets. They could care less about us. 2nd worst team in the league? Ridiculous.

Bledsoe, Barbosa, Dudley, Chandler, Knight, and Booker are all solid players, then you add in PJ. I wonder what the over/under win total is in Vegas, that will tell you what they really think. We are definitely better than the LAL.

Well, it's not just the media that thinks we will be bad. It's Vegas, and obviously that's not bias because they are in the business of making money. And besides the media and Vegas, you have general basketball fans, as you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1462460

This is just a bad roster without a lot of upside. The best young talent on the roster has an upside of being adequate starters at best. There are no young superstars or potential stars who can be the building blocks of a contending team.

That isn't troll worthy?! Smh.. and the rest of his statement....

letsgosuns · Post #477 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:11 pm

If anyone wants the Suns to sign a marquee player, then they better hope the Suns do not tank and play well this season because no free agent is interested in coming to a lottery team.

Post #478 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:15 pm

Joe Pong wrote:This is just a bad roster without a lot of upside. The best young talent on the roster has an upside of being adequate starters at best. There are no young superstars or potential stars who can be the building blocks of a contending team.

Booker and Bender have plenty of upside. That's quite an early judgement on Bender and Chriss. None of us simply have any idea. Plenty of people from Croatia and watching young players in Europe have said he was the best talent at that age either ever or in a very long time from Croatia.

I think Warren has upside too. We haven't seen enough of him yet. Chriss maybe.

Post #479 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:26 pm

letsgosuns wrote:I hope the Suns make the playoffs, even as an 8th seed. They already have enough young players that I believe are a great foundation to become a contending team one day. It is time they start growing and winning games. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Booker, Len, Warren, Goodwin, Bender, Chriss, and Ulis are all between 18-23. Seven players that age is a lot of young guys. And I think they all have potential to be impact players. I also think some of them have a chance to be all stars, and I am not talking many years from now. I think within a couple years from now.

The fact some fans already want to tank a full season blows me away. It is only July. I was all for tanking last year halfway through the season because the team was terrible and we all knew they sucked. The makeup of the team was awful. It was the worst Suns season I ever saw. I feel the complete opposite about the team now. These are the most exciting Suns young players since 2004. Apparently the national media even sees it more than some of you fans. Lots of praise from writers of different teams and analysts about the Summer Suns.

Some people said it is not even fair that Booker was playing in the Summer League because he is the best player out there and runs circles around everyone else. Funny because I do not recall any media guy saying that about D'Angelo Russell who was the number two pick in the draft last year. Yet literally everyone was going crazy for Booker. Pretty awesome when people say a 19 year old player is way too good to play in the Summer League. Then there are people saying Bender is the most impressive rookie in the draft. So the Suns have multiple young guys that many people are super high on yet some fans want the team to purposefully lose games before training camp starts. Idk what to say to those fans. I guess they like having high lottery picks every year and reading mock drafts more than watching their own team win games.

I agree. The media seems to like us. I will be patient, but I hope we do well. We do have some good players. As some do overrate our own players at times, someone like saint vastly overrates players on other teams. One of the bigger armchair quarterbacks I've ever encountered.

Post #480 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:28 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I hope the Suns make the playoffs, even as an 8th seed. They already have enough young players that I believe are a great foundation to become a contending team one day. It is time they start growing and winning games. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Booker, Len, Warren, Goodwin, Bender, Chriss, and Ulis are all between 18-23. Seven players that age is a lot of young guys. And I think they all have potential to be impact players. I also think some of them have a chance to be all stars, and I am not talking many years from now. I think within a couple years from now.

The fact some fans already want to tank a full season blows me away. It is only July. I was all for tanking last year halfway through the season because the team was terrible and we all knew they sucked. The makeup of the team was awful. It was the worst Suns season I ever saw. I feel the complete opposite about the team now. These are the most exciting Suns young players since 2004. Apparently the national media even sees it more than some of you fans. Lots of praise from writers of different teams and analysts about the Summer Suns.

Some people said it is not even fair that Booker was playing in the Summer League because he is the best player out there and runs circles around everyone else. Funny because I do not recall any media guy saying that about D'Angelo Russell who was the number two pick in the draft last year. Yet literally everyone was going crazy for Booker. Pretty awesome when people say a 19 year old player is way too good to play in the Summer League. Then there are people saying Bender is the most impressive rookie in the draft. So the Suns have multiple young guys that many people are super high on yet some fans want the team to purposefully lose games before training camp starts. Idk what to say to those fans. I guess they like having high lottery picks every year and reading mock drafts more than watching their own team win games.

Well would you rather get swept by the Dubs on national television or have a chance at one of the crown jewels of a coveted 2017 class? Its an easy choice for me.

Well by the time the draft rolls around if we have a high pick you will talk about how it is a terrible draft. Skal was a crown jewel at this time last year. You never know.