The Boogie Watch

[BobbieL]

Let's just say you were going to build a team around Cousins, how would you do it?

You would need:
1. An active defensive, shot blocking, three point shooting f/c. Does not need to be a prolific scorer, just efficient.

Sounds like Bender to me.

Its why if you trade for Boogie - I think they get Chriss.

Keeping Bender - his skill set is there; Chriss shows flashes.

[nashrambler13]

Let's just say you were going to build a team around Cousins, how would you do it?

You would need:
1. An active defensive, shot blocking, three point shooting f/c. Does not need to be a prolific scorer, just efficient.

Well, first, there are general proponents that essentially every contender needs to have:

1) A good coach (I do not think we have this, for a contending team at least)
2) A quality 6th man (preferably two, one for each offensive and defensive versatility.
3) The "active defensive, shot blocking, three point shooting f/c. Does not need to be a prolific scorer, just efficient." player that you mentioned. This one is more specific to our situation rather than "every contender", although the way the league is trending may make this type of player a necessity.

Those are not trivial things to find-- at this point, we would have to actively shop Brandon Knight. He may be a good tank commander, but he is not a net positive player, even as a 6th man, and he has proved that to all of us this year. I imagine this would be difficult, as no one in their right minds wants BK right now. Then we would have to find a real spark plug offensively to replace him. To be fair, PJ could be the 6th man that offers defensive versatility. Finding a good coach might be the most difficult, but it is impossible to really project how difficult that would be, so I won't even try. As for the Center, I think Bender can be that player in theory, so him being included in the deal is a non-starter for me. Otherwise, the options thin out.

Those things, along with a characteristically strong bench, would be difficult enough to find on their own. However, that is not, in my opinion, the most pivotal acquisition.

The most pivotal acquisition would be a "First Team All Defense" type SF who can shoot threes very well (glares at PJ Tucker) and slide down to PF if need be. Perhaps he would not need to be this good, but a "2014-15 Kawhi Leonard" would be the ideal. (Otto Porter could be a candidate, as could MKG and maybe Justice Winslow? It is a short list).

I think that player is going to be VERY difficult to find. It cannot be an offense first player, or even a player who really cares about their offensive game-- they won't be getting asked to lead the offense, but they will still have to be a key cog in it. They need to be able to cover anyone from SGs that Devin can't cover (James Harden, Klay) to prolific wings/"small ball" power forwards (KD, LeBron). There are not many players out there like that, but if we are going to cover for our deficiencies across the board, we need a player like this.

I think a championship team could be built around Boogie. I think Devin and Bled can be, more or less, 2nd and 3rd options eventually. Whether or not all of those potentials will be realized at the same time that the rest of the roster comes together is a far more important question and one that does not have, in my opinion, favorable odds.

[TeamTragic]

Are we completely ignoring history when putting together trades? Cousins is about to get paid big money and he hasn't had the best track record either in the media or with his current franchise.

We are not trading Bender as that is pure insanity. I would even say that Chriss is a reach. However the package with Warren/Len/2017 #1/Miami pick is better than the role player sandwich they would get from other teams.

Celtics are getting the #1 pick in a talented draft and people think Ainge will send that to the Kings without hesitation? Ainge is not a moron hence why he got IT for a second rounder

[jcsunsfan]

Are we completely ignoring history when putting together trades? Cousins is about to get paid big money and he hasn't had the best track record either in the media or with his current franchise.

We are not trading Bender as that is pure insanity. I would even say that Chriss is a reach. However the package with Warren/Len/2017 #1/Miami pick is better than the role player sandwich they would get from other teams.

Celtics are getting the #1 pick in a talented draft and people think Ainge will send that to the Kings without hesitation? Ainge is not a moron hence why he got IT for a second rounder

Trade the #1 to Boston for wherever theirs falls (2-5)and the 2018 Nets pick they own. Then trade the 2017 Nets pick to Sacramento along with Knight, Warren, and a future pick for Boogie.

If the Suns get the #1 pick this year, lots of options will open up.

[TeamTragic]

Are we completely ignoring history when putting together trades? Cousins is about to get paid big money and he hasn't had the best track record either in the media or with his current franchise.

We are not trading Bender as that is pure insanity. I would even say that Chriss is a reach. However the package with Warren/Len/2017 #1/Miami pick is better than the role player sandwich they would get from other teams.

Celtics are getting the #1 pick in a talented draft and people think Ainge will send that to the Kings without hesitation? Ainge is not a moron hence why he got IT for a second rounder

Trade the #1 to Boston for wherever theirs falls (2-5)and the 2018 Nets pick they own. Then trade the 2017 Nets pick to Sacramento along with Knight, Warren, and a future pick for Boogie.

If the Suns get the #1 pick this year, lots of options will open up.

You think we are getting the #1 pick? Makes sense that we move down in the draft if we can get Cousins. I appreciate the wishful thinking.

[bwgood77]

Options 2, 3 and 4 are all the same pretty much, especially 2 and 3.

[Qwigglez]

Options 2, 3 and 4 are all the same pretty much, especially 2 and 3.

Yeah I know, but maybe others don't want Fultz even if we got the No 1 pick. I'm seeing others talk about Josh Jackson being the top guy. Just wanted to have more fun with the poll instead of just a Yes or No answer.

[bwgood77]

Options 2, 3 and 4 are all the same pretty much, especially 2 and 3.

Yeah I know, but maybe others don't want Fultz even if we got the No 1 pick. I'm seeing others talk about Josh Jackson being the top guy. Just wanted to have more fun with the poll instead of just a Yes or No answer.

Yeah, I just added 1 and 5 and the 2, 3 and 4 to get the answer.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Please stawp!

There's zero chance SAC trades Boogie without getting back Chriss or Bender or Booker or Bledsoe in a multi-player, multi-pick trade. Chriss barely crossing the SAC need threshold.

In addition- While this is touted as a deep upcoming draft, there's not going to be that WOW factor, transformative, consensus #1 or even #1 vs #2 prospect. I'll admit I'm not very tuned in to college ball, but it looks like we might have a dozen prospects that would be #3s or #4s in an average NBA draft. That's a good thing, but the trade value difference between 1 and 4 and 6...eh?

Bottomline- Getting #1 is good and a best case scenario, but I doubt it's going to be imbued with the sparkle most year's #1 picks garner.

Sure I'd do it! Warren, Knight and our ever-so-precious-never-had-before-#1 pick! for Demarcus Cousins.

But I didn't cast a vote because it's not possible.

[Mulhollanddrive]

One factor that makes no sense for Cousins to leave is that in 6 months he can sign a contract worth $45m more with Sacramento than any other team and Sacramento up his value by not having him on an expiring deal.

[nevetsov]

^ and let's not forget, Boogie will earn that extra $45m in Sactown by only having to play 82 games! If he gets traded, he may have to play up to 20% more games to earn far less! Why would he want that??

Honestly though I don't think forfeiting that extra money will be a deterrent to him (or any player) that really, really wants out (or to play in a better environment).

[DaleyBlind]

Cousins is 27 this year - he really should look to get to Boston IMO. He should not waste his career playing in Sacramento - he still has not played a playoff game and he is 27 and probably the the Best C in the league. How sad is that.

[ray ray]

Let me put this out there...

Booker and Chriss are pretty much untouchable... it would take a great player to trade Bledsoe and Bender and there's only a few of those..

[BobbieL]

Let me put this out there...

Booker and Chriss are pretty much untouchable... it would take a great player to trade Bledsoe and Bender and there's only a few of those..

So the Suns are probably not making any trades for Boogie Cousins unless it involves the Miami picks in addition to the aforementioned Len, Warren and 207 first round pick.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Let me put this out there...

Booker and Chriss Bender are pretty much untouchable... it would take a great player deal to trade Bledsoe and there's only a few of those..

Fixed

[ray ray]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

[Qwigglez]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

[Christine-In-AZ]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

KIngs have to swap with Philly if they finish top 10, and lose their pick to Chicago if they're 11-30. IIRC

[Qwigglez]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

KIngs have to swap with Philly if they finish top 10, and lose their pick to Chicago if they're 11-30. IIRC

Forgot about that, but it still sounds like they wanna finish bottom 10 for sure.

[Christine-In-AZ]

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

KIngs have to swap with Philly if they finish top 10, and lose their pick to Chicago if they're 11-30. IIRC

Forgot about that, but it still sounds like they wanna finish bottom 10 for sure.

dunno what the ramification are if they don't convey to the Bulls this year. I think they're just focused on trying to make the playoffs, and then extending Cousins. Everything I've read indicates that the Kings focus. Sure they'd trade Cousins for a godfather offer, but that goes for many star player situations. This thread's "offer" for Cousins is a stepfather offer at best.