Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[Fo-Real]

I was really hoping that Monty could possibly come in and tap into Jackson's potential, and again I am failed!!!

#thanksSarver

#WEAK

[Fo-Real]

Since I live in Miami I feel obligated to provide some background info. The city of Miami Gardens was targeting young minorities at this festival. They wanted to search lil Wayne which forced him to drop from the festival. They also arrested Kodak black for weapons charges. Let’s not all hate on josh because of dirty racist cops in Miami. He shouldn’t have ran but trying to get into VIP doesn’t sound like a reason to be arrested. Miami Gardens is also Home to one of the most crime in Miami. The police there are out of control and will arrest anyone black and moving. This also goes along with Memorial Day weekend on south beach. The police and government are trying hard to end that event so they arrest everyone for anything. It’s moreso the police and politicians trying to control anything hip hop or having to deal with minorities than it is them being menaces. Although Kodak black isn’t the smartest person I would hold judgement on Josh jackson for now knowing where this happened and by who

As I mentioned, I can see having problems with security being heavy handed idiots and exposing them after the fact. The part that I have no tolerance for is running from the cops after being handcuffed, where the hell you gonna go? You dont think they are gonna know who you are?!

SO you don’t think it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that a police officer in one of the most corrupt cities in America lied about Josh jackson running while handcuffed? I don’t believe anything cops say.

Anything is possible but not probable. If it says he fled and resisted then at the very least I believe he tried to walk away or resisted while talking ****. I know how frustrating it can be, Im a black man in his 40's, but there are things you can not do while dealing with the cops. Arguing and pulling away is **** STUPID, you recourse after you have been placed under arrest is legal action AFTER.... STFU at that point. At that point your mouth and attitude can only get you in more trouble, people have talked themselves into getting arrested plenty of times. I'm not saying what the cops personal attitude and position could be, there are cops that goad you into reacting so they can screw you, you cant let it happen!!

[alamin330]

As I mentioned, I can see having problems with security being heavy handed idiots and exposing them after the fact. The part that I have no tolerance for is running from the cops after being handcuffed, where the hell you gonna go? You dont think they are gonna know who you are?!

SO you don’t think it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that a police officer in one of the most corrupt cities in America lied about Josh jackson running while handcuffed? I don’t believe anything cops say.

Anything is possible but not probable. If it says he fled and resisted then at the very least I believe he tried to walk away or resisted while talking ****. I know how frustrating it can be, Im a black man in his 40's, but there are things you can not do while dealing with the cops. Arguing and pulling away is **** STUPID, you recourse after you have been placed under arrest is legal action AFTER.... STFU at that point. At that point your mouth and attitude can only get you in more trouble, people have talked themselves into getting arrested plenty of times. I'm not saying what the cops personal attitude and position could be, there are cops that goad you into reacting so they can screw you, you cant let it happen!!

Running away while handcuffed in a crowded hip hop festival on the last day while standing 6 ft 8 inches tall and a millionaire with other millionaires with him seems like the more improbable story. I think we should all let people be innocent until proven guilty and not vice versa like what’s happening now.

[Fo-Real]

SO you don’t think it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that a police officer in one of the most corrupt cities in America lied about Josh jackson running while handcuffed? I don’t believe anything cops say.

Anything is possible but not probable. If it says he fled and resisted then at the very least I believe he tried to walk away or resisted while talking ****. I know how frustrating it can be, Im a black man in his 40's, but there are things you can not do while dealing with the cops. Arguing and pulling away is **** STUPID, you recourse after you have been placed under arrest is legal action AFTER.... STFU at that point. At that point your mouth and attitude can only get you in more trouble, people have talked themselves into getting arrested plenty of times. I'm not saying what the cops personal attitude and position could be, there are cops that goad you into reacting so they can screw you, you cant let it happen!!

Running away while handcuffed in a crowded hip hop festival on the last day while standing 6 ft 8 inches tall and a millionaire with other millionaires with him seems like the more improbable story. I think we should all let people be innocent until proven guilty and not vice versa like what’s happening now.

To each his own, I have noticed Josh has been a hot head and has a problem with his temper so when I hear a story like this my initial thought is he has continued to be an idiot. Im sure the venue has some things to sort out, as I mentioned there has been stories of it being bull as far as security. But grown men have to own up and be an adult, this is not just being picked on for him. A story about him being told MULTIPLE TIMES (was the words used) and then and only then being arrested points to his past of being an **** and running his dumb ass mouth in my mind. Quiet people following the rules get **** with less in my dealings. You feel what you want about whoever.

[Saberestar]

SO you don’t think it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that a police officer in one of the most corrupt cities in America lied about Josh jackson running while handcuffed? I don’t believe anything cops say.

Anything is possible but not probable. If it says he fled and resisted then at the very least I believe he tried to walk away or resisted while talking ****. I know how frustrating it can be, Im a black man in his 40's, but there are things you can not do while dealing with the cops. Arguing and pulling away is **** STUPID, you recourse after you have been placed under arrest is legal action AFTER.... STFU at that point. At that point your mouth and attitude can only get you in more trouble, people have talked themselves into getting arrested plenty of times. I'm not saying what the cops personal attitude and position could be, there are cops that goad you into reacting so they can screw you, you cant let it happen!!

Running away while handcuffed in a crowded hip hop festival on the last day while standing 6 ft 8 inches tall and a millionaire with other millionaires with him seems like the more improbable story. I think we should all let people be innocent until proven guilty and not vice versa like what’s happening now.

I understand you, but the problem with Jackson is that this is not the first time that he is involved in a bad situation.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but he is known for some bad **** already.

It is not the first time, not the second one...not even the third time...he has shown so many times now that he is inmature and takes bad decisions on anf off the court.

I want him out of the team ASAP and it is a must if we want to begin a healthy winning culture on the new era under Monty Williams.

[Fo-Real]

Anything is possible but not probable. If it says he fled and resisted then at the very least I believe he tried to walk away or resisted while talking ****. I know how frustrating it can be, Im a black man in his 40's, but there are things you can not do while dealing with the cops. Arguing and pulling away is **** STUPID, you recourse after you have been placed under arrest is legal action AFTER.... STFU at that point. At that point your mouth and attitude can only get you in more trouble, people have talked themselves into getting arrested plenty of times. I'm not saying what the cops personal attitude and position could be, there are cops that goad you into reacting so they can screw you, you cant let it happen!!

Running away while handcuffed in a crowded hip hop festival on the last day while standing 6 ft 8 inches tall and a millionaire with other millionaires with him seems like the more improbable story. I think we should all let people be innocent until proven guilty and not vice versa like what’s happening now.

I understand you, but the problem with Jackson is that this is not the first time that he is involved in a bad situation.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but he is known for some bad **** already.

It is not the first time, not the second one...not even the third time...he has shown so many times now that he is inmature and takes bad decisions on anf off the court.

I want him out of the team ASAP and it is a must if we want to begin a healthy winning culture on the new era under Monty Williams.

I love his passion, I love his fire when playing, I hate his attitude and immaturity when something dose not go right on the court. Although I agree with him about the issues with the refs he complains about absolute valid things, he just cant shut his mouth sometimes, cant let it go and gets teed up and plays like **** because he is frustrated.

[LukasBMW]

If we get pick 1: Zion

If we get pick 2: Ja

If we get pick 3 or less: Trade the pick

Bumpy (19 mil) + JJ ($6 mil) combine for $25 mil and both could be called expirings.

Add TJ (12 mil) and we get to $37 mil in outgoing value.

That puts us in play for pretty much anyone.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Golden rule of sports. How good you are at playing directly correlates with what you can get away with off the court. When you're very good teams will put up with a lot of ****. When you're not they lable you not worth the trouble for even minor stuff.

If they move on from Josh it will have much more to do with his on court struggles than the little dumb **** he's done off it.

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[bhawk]

Yay! The #4 overall pick from 2017 draft was just arrested for a felony. **** wonderful. I pray that Sarver and Jones learn from Jackson, and Chriss before him. Bender was simply not ready and still isn't. Len was a bust at 4. TJ "RIP girlfriend" Warren is meh.

Ayton seems like a good kid so far. Booker is the outlier in our last 5 years of drafts and it seems that we just got lucky.

This is a lesson and reminder that you draft character, leadership, personality FIRST. Don't draft athleticism or potential unless you have a solid foundation of values. You can teach basketball, you can improve athleticism, but you can't fix stupid.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I was really hoping that Monty could possibly come in and tap into Jackson's potential, and again I am failed!!!

#thanksSarver

I see what you did there....lol...

[Fo-Real]

Golden rule of sports. How good you are at playing directly correlates with what you can get away with off the court. When you're very good teams will put up with a lot of ****. When you're not they lable you not worth the trouble for even minor stuff.

If they move on from Josh it will have much more to do with his on court struggles than the little dumb **** he's done off it.

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WORD!!

[Fo-Real]

Yay! The #4 overall pick from 2017 draft was just arrested for a felony. **** wonderful. I pray that Sarver and Jones learn from Jackson, and Chriss before him. Bender was simply not ready and still isn't. Len was a bust at 4. TJ "RIP girlfriend" Warren is meh.

Ayton seems like a good kid so far. Booker is the outlier in our last 5 years of drafts and it seems that we just got lucky.

This is a lesson and reminder that you draft character, leadership, personality FIRST. Don't draft athleticism or potential unless you have a solid foundation of values. You can teach basketball, you can improve athleticism, but you can't fix stupid.

DAYUM!

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we get pick 1: Zion

If we get pick 2: Ja

If we get pick 3 or less: Trade the pick

Bumpy (19 mil) + JJ ($6 mil) combine for $25 mil and both could be called expirings.

Add TJ (12 mil) and we get to $37 mil in outgoing value.

That puts us in play for pretty much anyone.

That's the right line of thinking, If we can pull it off of course!........

Although, Don't our cap holds ( Oubre) affect that to some degree too???

And which teams could be our best options for this?

[Cutter]

Didn't JJ get in trouble for something in college at Kansas? Threatening a woman or something like that.

[BobbieL]

If we get pick 1: Zion

If we get pick 2: Ja

If we get pick 3 or less: Trade the pick

Bumpy (19 mil) + JJ ($6 mil) combine for $25 mil and both could be called expirings.

Add TJ (12 mil) and we get to $37 mil in outgoing value.

That puts us in play for pretty much anyone.

That's the right line of thinking, If we can pull it off of course!........

Although, Don't our cap holds ( Oubre) affect that to some degree too???

And which teams could be our best options for this?

Two things:
1) I would stop at Zion - no need to go to Morant

2) But you forgot to include the #3 pick as cash going out the door. And TJ is really only worth 10.5m but Josh is worth 7m

Tyler (19.4) + Josh (7.0) + TJ (10.5) + #3 pick (6m) is actually 41m

[Ghost of Kleine]

If we get pick 1: Zion

If we get pick 2: Ja

If we get pick 3 or less: Trade the pick

Bumpy (19 mil) + JJ ($6 mil) combine for $25 mil and both could be called expirings.

Add TJ (12 mil) and we get to $37 mil in outgoing value.

That puts us in play for pretty much anyone.

That's the right line of thinking, If we can pull it off of course!........

Although, Don't our cap holds ( Oubre) affect that to some degree too???

And which teams could be our best options for this?

Two things:
1) I would stop at Zion - no need to go to Morant

2) But you forgot to include the #3 pick as cash going out the door. And TJ is really only worth 10.5m but Josh is worth 7m

Tyler (19.4) + Josh (7.0) + TJ (10.5) + #3 pick (6m) is actually 41m

Again, We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point, For my part, it's still obviously a 2 player draft. And whilst missing out on Zion would suck, If you can still find a way to get Morant ( Star potential also plays a position of need) rather than just trading out of the draft completely for cap space alone.

I say this as having cap space, doesn't guarantee that we'll be able to land us an impact player in free agency, much less a quality player even.

With Morant, you're talking about a player who has a unique skill set, averages 20 points and 10 assists a game. And has shown to play with a majurity and poise beyond his years.

And whilst having a large amount of cap space is a positive in most scenarios, However, Without assurances or guarantees from the players you're targeting,

IF you end up not landing your targeted players, and thus settling for the lesser quality leftovers.

You'd as a franchise, then look like morons and get chastised by the league, etc for years to come,

For having the chance to draft Morant, and opting instead to pass on him for cap space. Just not an acceptable risk honestly. And honestly not one I'd expect a brand new front office to risk either.

You just don't pass( If you have the 2nd pick) on being guaranteed to get such a talented player at a position of need too,

In order to take a risk on MAYBE being able to land a slightly lesser or almost equal value player IF YOU'RE LUCKY in free agency.

Because again, you're taking an unnecessary risk that you might not get anyone equal to what that player was valued at???

( A bird in hand scenario).

So with respect to that, I'd draw the line at pick 3 OR 4 perhaps ( congingent on our inability to trade back up for Morant), Or what return is actually being offered.

Now again, IF we land at 4, AND we're unable to in any way trade back up for Morant, Then again yes, At that point, You look to trade the pick for a quality vet on a relatively short term deal (Conley).

And look to attach as much outgoing salary as you feel is necessary to execute your plans.

Whilst still guaranteeing ( through said trade) that you address your biggest roster needs.

That's why I like the idea of a Memphis trade for Conley, Using our 3rd or 4th pick as a ***pick swap*** and by attaching additional assets that enrich our outgoing offer to Memphis, But at the same time, ALSO help us move additional salary by including (Jackson) and a sweetener in the 2020 top 7 lottery protected first.

In securing both Conley AND the 8th pick potentially from Memphis, We can have a reasonable amount of insurance heading into free agency.


And with that, The knowledge that we will have acquired both a veteran guard, and a possible power forward in ( Clarke).


Meaning that even IF we somehow strike out in free agency, at least we will have players to fill both positions of need, as well as having cleared the wing glut, and better balanced the roster too.

Finally, we will have also added aproximately 8-10 million in cap space added to what we currently have by moving back, as well as attaching Jackson in the trade.

Now giving us close to 17 million in cap space to use for veteran depth and roster upgrades. And remember, that's also aside from our available exceptions too.

[grumpysaddle]

Innocent until proven guilty, but it's already out there and he's kind of dumb, so people will already yell "GUILTY!" at him. I live under a simple rule... ACAB. All Cops Are Bastards. There are no good cops, so I don't believe anything a cop says until there is undeniable and provable facts about whatever happening actually happening. I also don't see how trying to enter a VIP area "too many times" is cause for handcuffing someone. I've snuck into backstage or VIP areas plenty of times. If I get caught, I get thrown out. How is arresting someone a valid way to deal with the situation. Something smells fishy here.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Innocent until proven guilty, but it's already out there and he's kind of dumb, so people will already yell "GUILTY!" at him. I live under a simple rule... ACAB. All Cops Are Bastards. There are no good cops, so I don't believe anything a cop says until there is undeniable and provable facts about whatever happening actually happening. I also don't see how trying to enter a VIP area "too many times" is cause for handcuffing someone. I've snuck into backstage or VIP areas plenty of times. If I get caught, I get thrown out. How is arresting someone a valid way to deal with the situation. Something smells fishy here.

[grumpysaddle]

Innocent until proven guilty, but it's already out there and he's kind of dumb, so people will already yell "GUILTY!" at him. I live under a simple rule... ACAB. All Cops Are Bastards. There are no good cops, so I don't believe anything a cop says until there is undeniable and provable facts about whatever happening actually happening. I also don't see how trying to enter a VIP area "too many times" is cause for handcuffing someone. I've snuck into backstage or VIP areas plenty of times. If I get caught, I get thrown out. How is arresting someone a valid way to deal with the situation. Something smells fishy here.

Roll your eyes all you want. Doesn't change the fact that cops are all corrupt pieces of ****.

EDIT: If good cops existed, there would be no bad cops. But, "good" cops look the other way on the "bad" cops. So... no cop is good.

[King4Day]

Innocent until proven guilty, but it's already out there and he's kind of dumb, so people will already yell "GUILTY!" at him. I live under a simple rule... ACAB. All Cops Are Bastards. There are no good cops, so I don't believe anything a cop says until there is undeniable and provable facts about whatever happening actually happening. I also don't see how trying to enter a VIP area "too many times" is cause for handcuffing someone. I've snuck into backstage or VIP areas plenty of times. If I get caught, I get thrown out. How is arresting someone a valid way to deal with the situation. Something smells fishy here.

Let's not get into this talk. It will end very very ugly.