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[bhawk]

There is only one player drafted after Cam Johnson that looks better than him so far, Tyler Herro.

And look who were drafted before him...Culver, Coby White, Jaxon Hayes, Hachimura, Reddish...I prefer Cam over all of them.

James Jones nailed it trading #6 for #11 and Saric. That was a heck of a trade.

You are forgetting Brandon Clarke... and Halliburton and Vassell this year.

I prefer Cam Johnson over Clarke, no doubt about it.

Too early to say that Vassell and Haliburton are better than Jalen Smith. He played well in the first game but injured his ankle in the second. We will see, I think he is gonna be a good pick for what I have seen so far.

This is an important point. The worst thing about the Josh Jackson pick (aside from him being a total knucklehead) is De'Aron Fox. Worst thing about the Dragan Bender pick is Jamal Murray and/or Buddy Heild. DeAndre Ayton - Luka Doncic. And so on...

Player envy is a real thing. As long as James Jones is close... I'm good. Cam Johnson vs. Clarke looks pretty okay right now. Jalen Smith vs. Haliburton or Vassell? Time will tell, but I think Jalen will emerge as the better player.

James Jones knows how to build a basketball team and picked these players for a reason. You can't have them all. I'll give JJ the benefit of the doubt until he proves us wrong.

[alamin330]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

[bhawk]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

Chris Paul?

[alamin330]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

Chris Paul?

Lmao. That’s how you do math

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Have we learned nothing?

Jackson goes through stretches of good play, but he can't maintain it. He's an exceptionally talented a$$hole, not a professional basketball player. He should go trot the globe.

If you wanna talk impressive wings, take a look at Lu Dort. Thunder almost pulled off a W over the Jazz, and that kid is a huge reason why. Love his size and tenacity. I wish we'd drafted him.

James Jones would never draft a guy like Dort because he’s a terrible talent evaluator. You’re proving my point

Well Dort went undrafted, I guess every team in the league is bad at talent evaluation.

This dude either trolling us or trolling himself (ie, he dumb). Reducto ad absurdum.

[alamin330]

Why do some of you get so offended by things like this. Isn’t this the purpose of this blog is to have discussions about the team.

Little baby boys. I’m sorry to hurt your little feelings.

[Saberestar]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

That is the only trade that I do not like from James Jones.

I agree with you on this one.

[bhawk]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

Chris Paul?

Lmao. That’s how you do math

1+2=4. Works for me. The TJ trade was addition by subtraction. He simply was not the right fit for our team. JJ identified an area of improvement and addressed it by sending TJ packing. I thought at the time it was the right thing to do, and I still agree with the move.

Did I want more from the asset that was TJ Warren? YES! We all did. I'll, again, give JJ the benefit of the doubt and say that the TJ Warren market was super soft. Logically... 1) Teams were not calling us about TJ Warren and offering us anything good otherwise we would have gotten more for TJ. 2) JJ was shopping TJ, and obviously not getting good offers. Otherwise he wouldn't have settled for the crappy Indiana trade.

People here overvalued TJ Warren. The actual market showed TJ Warren's TRUE value.

In terms of math... it's more like dominoes. The TJ Warren domino fell and set off a chain reaction that resulted (directly and indirectly) in the team we have today. I am happy-ish with our team, and would take our team over TJ Warren's Indiana.

[sasquatchBob]

Chris Paul?

Lmao. That’s how you do math

1+2=4. Works for me. The TJ trade was addition by subtraction. He simply was not the right fit for our team. JJ identified an area of improvement and addressed it by sending TJ packing. I thought at the time it was the right thing to do, and I still agree with the move.

Did I want more from the asset that was TJ Warren? YES! We all did. I'll, again, give JJ the benefit of the doubt and say that the TJ Warren market was super soft. Logically... 1) Teams were not calling us about TJ Warren and offering us anything good otherwise we would have gotten more for TJ. 2) JJ was shopping TJ, and obviously not getting good offers. Otherwise he wouldn't have settled for the crappy Indiana trade.

People here overvalued TJ Warren. The actual market showed TJ Warren's TRUE value.

In terms of math... it's more like dominoes. The TJ Warren domino fell and set off a chain reaction that resulted (directly and indirectly) in the team we have today. I am happy-ish with our team, and would take our team over TJ Warren's Indiana.

I agree with what you're saying except the bolded part. Do you truly believe TJ's value was so much in negative that we had to attach 2nd round pick to get rid of him?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wiseman struggled last game with a few airballs.

There's about 3 Centers in the league without big faults.

[King4Day]

Lmao. That’s how you do math

1+2=4. Works for me. The TJ trade was addition by subtraction. He simply was not the right fit for our team. JJ identified an area of improvement and addressed it by sending TJ packing. I thought at the time it was the right thing to do, and I still agree with the move.

Did I want more from the asset that was TJ Warren? YES! We all did. I'll, again, give JJ the benefit of the doubt and say that the TJ Warren market was super soft. Logically... 1) Teams were not calling us about TJ Warren and offering us anything good otherwise we would have gotten more for TJ. 2) JJ was shopping TJ, and obviously not getting good offers. Otherwise he wouldn't have settled for the crappy Indiana trade.

People here overvalued TJ Warren. The actual market showed TJ Warren's TRUE value.

In terms of math... it's more like dominoes. The TJ Warren domino fell and set off a chain reaction that resulted (directly and indirectly) in the team we have today. I am happy-ish with our team, and would take our team over TJ Warren's Indiana.

I agree with what you're saying except the bolded part. Do you truly believe TJ's value was so much in negative that we had to attach 2nd round pick to get rid of him?

We needed the cap space which was the problem. I believe Indy absorbed him completely. Warren wasn't exactly lighting it up despite his improved 3pt %. He was not staying healthy either so it was still a risk for Indy. I don't like the deal but if we don't do that, we don't get Rubio, meaning we have another even worse year last season. If we wanted to do a salary for salary deal, we probably can get more back.

In that case, no bubble, and in that case, no Paul. Booker is likely disgruntled and we could be having a different conversation this year about the future of the franchise.

[bhawk]

Lmao. That’s how you do math

1+2=4. Works for me. The TJ trade was addition by subtraction. He simply was not the right fit for our team. JJ identified an area of improvement and addressed it by sending TJ packing. I thought at the time it was the right thing to do, and I still agree with the move.

Did I want more from the asset that was TJ Warren? YES! We all did. I'll, again, give JJ the benefit of the doubt and say that the TJ Warren market was super soft. Logically... 1) Teams were not calling us about TJ Warren and offering us anything good otherwise we would have gotten more for TJ. 2) JJ was shopping TJ, and obviously not getting good offers. Otherwise he wouldn't have settled for the crappy Indiana trade.

People here overvalued TJ Warren. The actual market showed TJ Warren's TRUE value.

In terms of math... it's more like dominoes. The TJ Warren domino fell and set off a chain reaction that resulted (directly and indirectly) in the team we have today. I am happy-ish with our team, and would take our team over TJ Warren's Indiana.

I agree with what you're saying except the bolded part. Do you truly believe TJ's value was so much in negative that we had to attach 2nd round pick to get rid of him?

Good point, and my answer is yes TJ's value was that bad at the time. We couldn't just cut the guy, otherwise we would have dead cap/money. He was a little bit of a head case in PHX (RIP Girlfriend) and arguably didn't fit in very well with his Suns teammates. He played poorish defense and his 3 point shot was still emerging. There may be stuff behind the scenes that contributed to us having to attach the 2nd round pick.

For those on the "JJ didn't try hard enough" train... there is merit in that argument, but we will never actually know how hard JJ tried. We will never know the whole story. I'll give JJ the benefit of the doubt.

[bwgood77]

Remember someone said we can talk badly of James Jones. Lmao. James Jones doesn’t know talent. He’s actually really bad at talent evaluation. I would say he’s worse than Ryan. Josh Jackson was still a number 4 pick on his rookie contract. Smh. Jalen smith? Are you kidding? Cam Johnson at 11 is that a joke. Traded up for ty Jerome. Come on. James Jones is trash in talent evaluations. Hopefully his reputation brings free agents to Phoenix cuz he isn’t the best.

I'm confused. Are you saying Cam isn't good? If it's true that other teams around the 15 range were angling for him, then it's more likely that no team wanted to move assets to move up a few spots to swap with us.

Smith we know nothing about yet outside of a promising first game.
We probably take Haliburton if we didn't trade for Paul is my guess, but with him, and with us aiming to re-sign Carter and already having Payne for another year, we had no place for him.

If we kept the Bucks pick we would have picked 30th this season with an equally good chance to pick a bad player.
We had to pick someone at 25 last year and needed a PG to groom. Jerome didn't work out and we moved him in the CP3 deal as OKC seemingly considered him an asset.

As for Jackson, he was a bad apple. Maybe he improves his game but his maturity was too far behind where we needed him to be for this team. If you knock Jones on him, also knock the Griz and any other team in the league for not even offering him more guaranteed money to keep him from Detroit.

That Bucks pick was used for Desmond Bane. Would prefer him to Ty Jerome.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Remember someone said we can talk badly of James Jones. Lmao. James Jones doesn’t know talent. He’s actually really bad at talent evaluation. I would say he’s worse than Ryan. Josh Jackson was still a number 4 pick on his rookie contract. Smh. Jalen smith? Are you kidding? Cam Johnson at 11 is that a joke. Traded up for ty Jerome. Come on. James Jones is trash in talent evaluations. Hopefully his reputation brings free agents to Phoenix cuz he isn’t the best.

I'm confused. Are you saying Cam isn't good? If it's true that other teams around the 15 range were angling for him, then it's more likely that no team wanted to move assets to move up a few spots to swap with us.

Smith we know nothing about yet outside of a promising first game.
We probably take Haliburton if we didn't trade for Paul is my guess, but with him, and with us aiming to re-sign Carter and already having Payne for another year, we had no place for him.

If we kept the Bucks pick we would have picked 30th this season with an equally good chance to pick a bad player.
We had to pick someone at 25 last year and needed a PG to groom. Jerome didn't work out and we moved him in the CP3 deal as OKC seemingly considered him an asset.

As for Jackson, he was a bad apple. Maybe he improves his game but his maturity was too far behind where we needed him to be for this team. If you knock Jones on him, also knock the Griz and any other team in the league for not even offering him more guaranteed money to keep him from Detroit.

That Bucks pick was used for Desmond Bane. Would prefer him to Ty Jerome.

Haven't caught any Grizzlies games yet but his production so far has been great in limited minutes. That FO is making a habit of selecting players we like.

[bwgood77]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

That is the only trade that I do not like from James Jones.

I agree with you on this one.

Yeah, dumb....but overloaded on the wing and TJ probably got a bit tired of it...after drafting Josh Jackson, then we draft Bridges and THEN sign Ariza.

He still started though until injury.

Anyway, the biggest mistake here was not realizing that TJ should be the one to keep over Oubre and Jackson (though they got rid of Jackson). A Cam, Bridges, TJ wing rotation would be great right now.

[bwgood77]

Chris Paul?

Lmao. That’s how you do math

1+2=4. Works for me. The TJ trade was addition by subtraction. He simply was not the right fit for our team. JJ identified an area of improvement and addressed it by sending TJ packing. I thought at the time it was the right thing to do, and I still agree with the move.

Did I want more from the asset that was TJ Warren? YES! We all did. I'll, again, give JJ the benefit of the doubt and say that the TJ Warren market was super soft. Logically... 1) Teams were not calling us about TJ Warren and offering us anything good otherwise we would have gotten more for TJ. 2) JJ was shopping TJ, and obviously not getting good offers. Otherwise he wouldn't have settled for the crappy Indiana trade.

People here overvalued TJ Warren. The actual market showed TJ Warren's TRUE value.

In terms of math... it's more like dominoes. The TJ Warren domino fell and set off a chain reaction that resulted (directly and indirectly) in the team we have today. I am happy-ish with our team, and would take our team over TJ Warren's Indiana.

The market is not set for player value until after the draft, especially if it is clearly apparent you are trying to get rid of someone. TJ had far more value which is why Indy thought we were joking with the offer.

If we wait until FA moves were made, and teams don't get who they originally wanted, he has more value. Fine if we trade him to create our team today but get value back, don't give away picks, etc. The contract was solid. That offseason could have been handled better...but overall it turned out "ok".

[King4Day]

Remember someone said we can talk badly of James Jones. Lmao. James Jones doesn’t know talent. He’s actually really bad at talent evaluation. I would say he’s worse than Ryan. Josh Jackson was still a number 4 pick on his rookie contract. Smh. Jalen smith? Are you kidding? Cam Johnson at 11 is that a joke. Traded up for ty Jerome. Come on. James Jones is trash in talent evaluations. Hopefully his reputation brings free agents to Phoenix cuz he isn’t the best.

I'm confused. Are you saying Cam isn't good? If it's true that other teams around the 15 range were angling for him, then it's more likely that no team wanted to move assets to move up a few spots to swap with us.

Smith we know nothing about yet outside of a promising first game.
We probably take Haliburton if we didn't trade for Paul is my guess, but with him, and with us aiming to re-sign Carter and already having Payne for another year, we had no place for him.

If we kept the Bucks pick we would have picked 30th this season with an equally good chance to pick a bad player.
We had to pick someone at 25 last year and needed a PG to groom. Jerome didn't work out and we moved him in the CP3 deal as OKC seemingly considered him an asset.

As for Jackson, he was a bad apple. Maybe he improves his game but his maturity was too far behind where we needed him to be for this team. If you knock Jones on him, also knock the Griz and any other team in the league for not even offering him more guaranteed money to keep him from Detroit.

That Bucks pick was used for Desmond Bane. Would prefer him to Ty Jerome.

My guess is that pick goes to OKC instead of Jerome so likely wouldn't matter regardless, but I did think about that. But each time we think we know who this team will take, we go in a totally different direction, so I don't think much about that.
If nothing else, the trade gave us the Baynes fan club twitter account

[Desertfox]

What did we get for TJ Warren again?

That is the only trade that I do not like from James Jones.

I agree with you on this one.

Yeah, dumb....but overloaded on the wing and TJ probably got a bit tired of it...after drafting Josh Jackson, then we draft Bridges and THEN sign Ariza.

He still started though until injury.

Anyway, the biggest mistake here was not realizing that TJ should be the one to keep over Oubre and Jackson (though they got rid of Jackson). A Cam, Bridges, TJ wing rotation would be great right now.

Cam and TJ are basically the same player. A Bridges, Clarke, TJ rotation would have been even better.

[Revived]

I still maintain that we could’ve drafted Clarke at #10 and Cam would’ve dropped to the selection where we drafted Jerome (#21?) and could’ve taken him then. But obviously we will never know.

[grumpysaddle]

I still maintain that we could’ve drafted Clarke at #10 and Cam would’ve dropped to the selection where we drafted Jerome (#21?) and could’ve taken him then. But obviously we will never know.