NBA Draft 2024

Ghost of Kleine · Post #461 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:16 am

Another really intriguing jumbo wing option that's likely available at/ around 22 range. Seems pretty versatile for his size.

Saberestar · Post #462 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:23 pm

22. Phoenix Suns
Tyler Kolek, G
Ht./Wt.: 6-3, 195 pounds | Class: Senior | Marquette

The general consensus is that the Suns are zeroing in on Kolek at 22 with his high IQ and ability to come in right away and give solid minutes. He plays bigger than his 6-3 frame, is smart with the ball and finishes well through contact.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-mock-draft-90-a-new-name-in-the-mix-at-no-1-plus-the-latest-projections-for-every-pick-142340610.html

Saberestar · Post #463 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:46 pm

Isaiah Collier
USC, Freshman

PHOENIX SUNS
There probably isn’t a better landing spot for Collier than the Suns, even though ending up here would necessitate falling in the draft. Collier’s downhill attacking ability would flourish alongside Phoenix’s spacing.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Saberestar · Post #464 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:48 pm

Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

RaisingArizona · Post #465 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:57 pm

Stix wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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Is that Bud sitting next to pop? Full circle

Let the record reflect that I'd take Kolek and not over think it.

RaisingArizona · Post #466 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:06 pm

Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

https://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39000331/2024-nba-mock-draft-why-isaiah-collier-new-no-1-prospect

Saberestar · Post #467 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:15 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

https://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39000331/2024-nba-mock-draft-why-isaiah-collier-new-no-1-prospect

Yeah, but he is now projected around #18/20 so probably he will be available at #22.

I have my doubts. Collier is younger, better athlete and he has a higher upside than Kolek. He was productive in college but not as good as a "floor general".

Ghost of Kleine · Post #468 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:44 pm

Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

Collier has more size, more athleticism, and a higher ceiling, BUT Kolek is already a better passer, and shooter, much better "in-game" processing. So ultimately, I'd go with Kolek for his more ready immediate impact. Collier would be more ideal if we were in a rebuild filled with younger prospects on a different timeline perhaps?

Ghost of Kleine · Post #469 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:49 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:
Stix wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Read on Twitter

Is that Bud sitting next to pop? Full circle

Let the record reflect that I'd take Kolek and not over think it.

I'm totally cool with taking Kolek at 22. But we do need to aggressively try to acquire additional picks so we can address our other positional weaknesses from this draft because clearly, we've been very unsuccessful in free agency trying to address the very weaknesses that we've suffered from for years now that have perennially bn exploited with us going into another early offseason.

Saberestar · Post #470 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:54 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

Collier has more size, more athleticism, and a higher ceiling, BUT Kolek is already a better passer, and shooter, much better "in-game" processing. So ultimately, I'd go with Kolek for his more ready immediate impact. Collier would be more ideal if we were in a rebuild filled with younger prospects on a different timeline perhaps?

Yeah, but Collier is 3'5 years younger than Kolek and he has already shown that he is NBA ready. IDK about his basketball IQ and decision making but that usually improves with experience.

His numbers for a freshman were impressive and his physical profile makes him an exciting prospect.

Post #471 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:37 pm

Crives wrote:I really like Kolek, one of my favorite prospects in our range…. I just think we need more size, defense and athleticism next to book/beal/allen/Oneal in the backcourt

I agree we need more size and athleticism, but mainly at the 5, but those picks are risky. Especially 1 year guys.

I think Kolek is a good investment not only for now, but the future. Obviously we need guys who can contribute now, but we will need guys for the next decade.

I really worry about a guy like Dunn, who is a 20% 3 pt shooter and a 51% FT shooter. That just doesn't cut it in today's NBA. You can't have a guy on the floor that people won't guard. I fear he would just become another Okogie/KBD. A young team with a lot of picks can risk that, but I don't really think we should.

Post #472 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:40 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

Collier has more size, more athleticism, and a higher ceiling, BUT Kolek is already a better passer, and shooter, much better "in-game" processing. So ultimately, I'd go with Kolek for his more ready immediate impact. Collier would be more ideal if we were in a rebuild filled with younger prospects on a different timeline perhaps?

Yeah, but Collier is 3'5 years younger than Kolek and he has already shown that he is NBA ready. IDK about his basketball IQ and decision making but that usually improves with experience.

His numbers for a freshman were impressive and his physical profile makes him an exciting prospect.

Collier is too risky. Most 1 year guys are. Now if he was a lights out shooter, maybe, but he really isn't a great distributor (4.3 apg, 3.3 topg). I just think he's too raw for the NBA, and shooting 67% from the FT line doesn't bode well for his shooting. He almost hit 34% of his 3s, but I worry about a player like him, and most 1 year players unless they are clear cut NBA players.

RaisingArizona · Post #473 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:47 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

Collier has more size, more athleticism, and a higher ceiling, BUT Kolek is already a better passer, and shooter, much better "in-game" processing. So ultimately, I'd go with Kolek for his more ready immediate impact. Collier would be more ideal if we were in a rebuild filled with younger prospects on a different timeline perhaps?

Agreed, brother.

I want the more ready prospect now. A decade ago, I'd be saying the opposite lol

RaisingArizona · Post #474 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:52 pm

Saberestar wrote:
RaisingArizona wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Imagine that both are available at #22... who would you prefer to select? Kolek or Collier?

https://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39000331/2024-nba-mock-draft-why-isaiah-collier-new-no-1-prospect

Yeah, but he is now projected around #18/20 so probably he will be available at #22.

I have my doubts. Collier is younger, better athlete and he has a higher upside than Kolek. He was productive in college but not as good as a "floor general".

Just interesting to be able to select who was once thought to the the potential #1 pick next week.

Crives · Post #475 » by **Crives** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:20 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Crives wrote:I really like Kolek, one of my favorite prospects in our range…. I just think we need more size, defense and athleticism next to book/beal/allen/Oneal in the backcourt

I agree we need more size and athleticism, but mainly at the 5, but those picks are risky. Especially 1 year guys.

I think Kolek is a good investment not only for now, but the future. Obviously we need guys who can contribute now, but we will need guys for the next decade.

I really worry about a guy like Dunn, who is a 20% 3 pt shooter and a 51% FT shooter. That just doesn't cut it in today's NBA. You can't have a guy on the floor that people won't guard. I fear he would just become another Okogie/KBD. A young team with a lot of picks can risk that, but I don't really think we should.

If Kolek gets identified as BPA I agree you go with him.

I agree with you on Dunn.. that’s why I like TSJ from a fit perspective. 6’7 elite athlete and defender.. but also a good shooter/ball handler/driver.

Another PG who might be a better fit is Jamal Shead…. Won DPOY in college but much more polished offensively then Dunn. Good driver/passer…. Shot needs some work, but it’s not broken. Really good trade down option. Vecenie loves him.

Crives · Post #476 » by **Crives** » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:26 pm

If collier available at 22 maybe that’s someone that gets a team like Utah excited for a 22 for 29/31 swap

Post #477 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:02 am

Read on Twitter

Crives · Post #478 » by **Crives** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:34 am

bwgood77 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Might be trying to get knicks to trade up

Post #479 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 3:13 am

Crives wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Might be trying to get knicks to trade up

Well, if another team behind us wants him, they likely will trade ahead of us to take him, if they expect us to take him.

Saberestar · Post #480 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:44 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Crives wrote:I really like Kolek, one of my favorite prospects in our range…. I just think we need more size, defense and athleticism next to book/beal/allen/Oneal in the backcourt

I agree we need more size and athleticism, but mainly at the 5, but those picks are risky. Especially 1 year guys.

I think Kolek is a good investment not only for now, but the future. Obviously we need guys who can contribute now, but we will need guys for the next decade.

I really worry about a guy like Dunn, who is a 20% 3 pt shooter and a 51% FT shooter. That just doesn't cut it in today's NBA. You can't have a guy on the floor that people won't guard. I fear he would just become another Okogie/KBD. A young team with a lot of picks can risk that, but I don't really think we should.

I agree but the same could be said about Herb Jones and he is now a solid two-way starter in the league.

Read on Twitter

We are trying to get this offseason "a young athletic wing". Dunn makes sense for us. He is different from O'Neale and with both on the roster we would be more versatile than last year at the 3/4 spot.

Okogie is similar to Dunn but he is way smaller and he doesn't have the same upside as a wing player.

Another wing that makes sense for us is Jaylon Tyson.

He is a very well rounded player who can create his own offense and is more polished than Dunn.