The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[BobbieL]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

If not Dunn, going with Morris. I have seen the other two players. Maybe sign two of them actually

If one isn't working on a given night, try the other. I always knew with Payne if he started well scoring, if helped his whole game. Seemed to really ignite him. But if he didn't score early - he was a mess

So maybe just sign two of them and hope for the best

[Crives]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

If not Dunn, going with Morris. I have seen the other two players. Maybe sign two of them actually

If one isn't working on a given night, try the other. I always knew with Payne if he started well scoring, if helped his whole game. Seemed to really ignite him. But if he didn't score early - he was a mess

So maybe just sign two of them and hope for the best

I would rather have Dunn or Payne.

[Saberestar]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

If not Dunn, going with Morris. I have seen the other two players. Maybe sign two of them actually

If one isn't working on a given night, try the other. I always knew with Payne if he started well scoring, if helped his whole game. Seemed to really ignite him. But if he didn't score early - he was a mess

So maybe just sign two of them and hope for the best

I would rather have Dunn or Payne.

Presumably Dunn will get more than a minimum deal.

[Crives]

If not Dunn, going with Morris. I have seen the other two players. Maybe sign two of them actually

If one isn't working on a given night, try the other. I always knew with Payne if he started well scoring, if helped his whole game. Seemed to really ignite him. But if he didn't score early - he was a mess

So maybe just sign two of them and hope for the best

I would rather have Dunn or Payne.

Presumably Dunn will get more than a minimum deal.

He might be gettable now after the Jazz drafted. Collier

[Crives]

Could we actually sign Chris Paul? I’m thinking not possible due to 2nd apron buy out restrictions

[Fo-Real]

Could we actually sign Chris Paul? I’m thinking not possible due to 2nd apron buy out restrictions

I thought someone said that the 2nd apron buyout restriction only applied to IN SEASON, not OFFSEASON? Was this true?

[BobbieL]

Could we actually sign Chris Paul? I’m thinking not possible due to 2nd apron buy out restrictions

I thought someone said that the 2nd apron buyout restriction only applied to IN SEASON, not OFFSEASON? Was this true?

Plus, Paul wouldn't be bought out at this time - his option wouldn't be picked up

But I doubt Paul would come back to Phoenix - with how things ended. Granted, his getting traded probably made him another $12m dollars based on needing salaries to match. Paul with this group and another back up PG -- I wouldn't hate it

But he is probably going to the Lakers or Clippers

[WeekapaugGroove]

We just running back the same team from last year with two rookies who have no offensive skillset.

I’m sorry, this roster is scaring no one in the league. Team is cap strapped so a major addition is off the table.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Ishbia was so quick to spend, he has become an agent of his own demise.

Exactly right. Under the old CBA - one thing
New CBA - new rules.

To me, this team is 7-10. Memphis will be better. Lakers might be. Pelicans I think as well

Hope you're well dude!

Like 3 games separated the 3 and 9 seeds last year. The west is good but I also think it's fairly flat and nearly impossible to predict a pecking order next year.


I'm torn. In a vacuum I actually like this roster but I liked it last year too and they played like gutless chumps. Maybe Bud and a year or playing together makes a difference. I liked the Vogel hire but I never once felt like he was doing a good job with last years team, the question is was it just the wrong group for him or is this group uncoachable for everyone for whatever reason.



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[BobbieL]

We just running back the same team from last year with two rookies who have no offensive skillset.

I’m sorry, this roster is scaring no one in the league. Team is cap strapped so a major addition is off the table.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Ishbia was so quick to spend, he has become an agent of his own demise.

Exactly right. Under the old CBA - one thing
New CBA - new rules.

To me, this team is 7-10. Memphis will be better. Lakers might be. Pelicans I think as well

Hope you're well dude!

Like 3 games separated the 3 and 9 seeds last year. The west is good but I also think it's fairly flat and nearly impossible to predict a pecking order next year.


I'm torn. In a vacuum I actually like this roster but I liked it last year too and they played like gutless chumps. Maybe Bud and a year or playing together makes a difference. I liked the Vogel hire but I never once felt like he was doing a good job with last years team, the question is was it just the wrong group for him or is this group uncoachable for everyone for whatever reason.



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Yes, I am back after taking a mental health break from teh forum during the down months waiting for free agency. I also am taking a break from football forums - its the dead zone over there too - BWG and I share the same team fandom.

And thanks - yes, life is good - hope the same for you!

Last years team was so - i guess the word was boring - that I cannot see them getting better. And I think every year that goes by the team gets older and further, not closer to a title. They swung for Durant, took on Beal - didn't work - so maybe recalibrate and see what you can do

Now, I hope Budenholzer can do better than Vogel. I personally didn't like the Vogel hire - I thought "meh" - a defensive coach with three players core players who are offense driven. Seemed a bad fit

That said - see what happens. You ask the big question - -was it wrong coach for this group or the wrong group?

And yes, the West was pretty darn close but in the playoffs - the Suns got smoked - four zip. That series sweep and the CBA are why I am in the "trade Durant camp" now and not later. Trading Allen, Nurk, Ruddy, Little - those are half game to a game WAR moves - they don't move needles.

[dremill24]

Could we actually sign Chris Paul? I’m thinking not possible due to 2nd apron buy out restrictions

I thought someone said that the 2nd apron buyout restriction only applied to IN SEASON, not OFFSEASON? Was this true?

Plus, Paul wouldn't be bought out at this time - his option wouldn't be picked up

But I doubt Paul would come back to Phoenix - with how things ended. Granted, his getting traded probably made him another $12m dollars based on needing salaries to match. Paul with this group and another back up PG -- I wouldn't hate it

But he is probably going to the Lakers or Clippers

The CBA verbiage does say in-season, though I havent seen anybody commit with any confidence that the rule is applied so literally. The other thing is CP the verbiage states that the rule applies to contracts "terminated," which is more or less any time the player goes through waivers, not just bought out. So it includes situations like CP where he has a partial guarantee.

[RedIndian]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

Aaron Holiday is not bad, but he has been a career 3rd stringer. Monte Morris at Denver was actually one of the best bench PGs in the league, and has regularly posted some of the best A/TO ratios in the league. Dude is an excellent organiser, rarely turns the ball over and is a solid shooter too.

He's had a tough two years being trade to Washington and then Detroit, and then picking up an injury which kept him out for a long time.

He's still only 29, and I think has plenty to give. This is the ideal opportunity for him to get a 1 year deal, have a guaranteed 15-18 minute role of running the bench, and playing himself into one last good payday next summer.

[dremill24]

I was thinking about our primary options for the minimum at PG I wanted to see their measurements because both are really small in my mind and that could be a problem for our defense's schemes.

Monte Morris is 6'1.25", 6'4 wingspan and has an 8'0.5 standing reach.

Aaron Holiday is 5.11'75" with a 6.7'5" wingspan and he has a 8'1" standing reach.

So yeah...both are SMALL and all in all about the same size.

Monte Morris is 29 years old and Aaron Holiday 28 before the start of the season. In their primes.

Monte Morris has played much more minutes than Holiday and he has had a bigger role in the league...other than last season.

I would say that Aaron Holiday is better on defense and Monte Morris is a better general floor.

Not sure who of them would be a better fit for us. Tied competition in my book.

Aaron Holiday is not bad, but he has been a career 3rd stringer. Monte Morris at Denver was actually one of the best bench PGs in the league, and has regularly posted some of the best A/TO ratios in the league. Dude is an excellent organiser, rarely turns the ball over and is a solid shooter too.

He's had a tough two years being trade to Washington and then Detroit, and then picking up an injury which kept him out for a long time.

He's still only 29, and I think has plenty to give. This is the ideal opportunity for him to get a 1 year deal, have a guaranteed 15-18 minute role of running the bench, and playing himself into one last good payday next summer.

Ive always been a big Monte fan. Im a bit concerned about him physically. He had a pretty significant injury last year with setbacks as well. Then when he got to Minny he couldnt get off the bench too often. I wonder if he wasnt really healthy still, or if they just didnt want him getting picked on on defense. Probly a bit of both...hopefully he was just still recovering and he'll look better with more rest when the season starts, but for the minimum its a fine gamble (if he cant get more somewhere else). Just might have to hedge that bet.

[Bogyo]

Whatever we do, pleasepleaseplease do keep one roster spot open for this years "how the f did he not get a contract?" guy! Each year there is one dude like this, and whatever position it might be, it can only help us. Imagine if we had Oubre last year... There is ALWAYS at least one guy, Every year, like clockwork. So just be smart about it for once JJ. (but i know its not happening, roster will be full with this years KDBs and Yuta's before you could say vet min)

[starbosa10]

Kris Dunn, Monte Morris, or CP3 is what I'm hoping for

[darmani]

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[Crives]

Getting that Alibi ready before we do some tampering. Bring CP3 home!

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[BobbieL]

Whatever we do, pleasepleaseplease do keep one roster spot open for this years "how the f did he not get a contract?" guy! Each year there is one dude like this, and whatever position it might be, it can only help us. Imagine if we had Oubre last year... There is ALWAYS at least one guy, Every year, like clockwork. So just be smart about it for once JJ. (but i know its not happening, roster will be full with this years KDBs and Yuta's before you could say vet min)

I am not averse to that line of thinking. I mean, if you only sign one PG and leave a roster spot - so be it.

Free agency is going to be lackluster when a good offseason will be Kris Dunn and otherwise - Monte Morris or maybe a longshot CP3.

IF he is willing - I would take CP3 back.

[BobbieL]

Getting that Alibi ready before we do some tampering. Bring CP3 home!

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I actually do not hate that idea. And maybe CP3 is mad at being shipped out - -he also made an extra $10-12m because of the trade.

CP3
Dunn
Morris

I think Paul is the best player of the bunch

[Crives]

Well no cp3

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[BobbieL]

Well no cp3

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Gambo gets a woody saying who is not coming
loves it