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Will we extend Bridges or will Sarver not pay 4 players big money for 1 or 2 years?

Yes, we extend him or at least match any offer as he is part of core
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Re: 2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#4761 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:18 am

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I am sure you wrote this before the news about SAric ACL -- but I would prefer Bridges over Wiggins. Wiggins did improve but the Suns have a good core group - Bridges is part of that core.


Yeah....the answer to his question is no, and that's after Dario's ACL and knowing that we'll have to carry his 8M on the cap for the next 2 years with little to no value coming back.

Back to Bridges, I hate making it seem like I don't like the guy cause I do. I just have little faith in $arver. I was listening to Simmons earlier and he was talking about how in NBA circles they're not 100% sure if he wants to pay 3 guys max deals-to say nothing of the check he's gonna have to write Mikal on top of our Big 3.

He's gotta pay Ayton and I just don't see him letting CP3 go. That makes it hard for Mikal. Maybe he takes a 20M/yr deal or less, but this is a business and if he's already won a ring why would he not go for a max-if some team offered it to him? I think that some team would offer it to him: he's young, can 3&D, has a winning pedigree and best of all it would screw us.

All of that to say I can see $arver saying: "OK we won a title, I'm gonna pay Chris, DA, Book and maybe resign Payne but make a deal for Bridges if we can't get him for under 20"


That would really suck, AND with Saver, I can see how that could be a very real possibility too unfortunately. That's why my thinking was that IF able to move off that 3rd year of Sarics, And replace it perhaps with a much cheaper veteran option or even a cost controlled rookie option, Then we'd obviously have a bigger cushion with which to pay Bridges a bit more to secure him, Rather than being financially hamstrung by our current situation and leave it up to Sarvers' best judgment.

I just felt that 10 million could go a long way towards covering an escalated bigger than anticipated offer. And for that 10 million, I much rather resign Bridges than Saric. Too bad now though that the ACL has tied up everything for us. I still think that we'll be looking to figure things out to find a way to dump his salary if at all possible? Admittedly though just not too sure how to accomplish that in this current situation. :-?


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Post#4762 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:22 am

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irish22022 wrote:Okay this is IF bridges wants 25 a year for 4 years:

Would you trade bridges/saric/Carter

For

Wiggins

Wiggins showed improvement on both sides this year. He gets 29. Off the books in 2023. We dump Carter and saric contracts, they could actually use Carter more than us and saric would be their small ball center too. Bridges they could pay back loaded so the money works out to be the same as Wiggins with all three basically.

lol I'd rather eat Carter/Saric's contract than trade Bridges for Wiggins. Also, I'd pay Bridges 25 for 4 over Wiggins all day, every day

It's not even close. Bridges makes winning plays and has been a core part of winning teams like the Suns and in college. Wiggins has never won anything at any level and one year of improvement at 29 isn't going to change my thoughts on him.


This.

Under no circumstances do I see trading Bridges for the Wigginator being a good thing for this team. I'm personally hoping he gets sent to Canada along with the #7 and #14 for Siakam. That's an awesomely terrible trade for the Dubs. Why should we bail them out on their Wiggins acquisition?
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Post#4763 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:35 am

Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.
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Post#4764 » by suns12345 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:50 am

darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?
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Post#4765 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:52 am

darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Nothing Sarver's done in the last 10 years makes me think he'll pay 115M for 4 players (30 a piece for DA, CP3 and Booker + 25 for Mikal). I hope I'm wrong and he's learned his lesson. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Post#4766 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:32 am

suns12345 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?


20,000 people at $1,000 average per ticket is $20,000,000 per game in ticket sales, and not to mention the $15 beers and merchandise lol
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Post#4767 » by timetoshinebaby » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:00 am

Sarver will pay. It makes financial sense as it makes us competitive and drives up the value of the franchise which is what he will want if he is looking at selling.

I can't see Sarver paying if we were 8th in the west but it makes him more money to pay.
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Post#4768 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:17 am

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darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?



Am I right in thinking Scalpers are the ones clipping joe pub. The whole buy resell online market is throwing things way outta whack. Sarver sold the ticket once... no telling how many hands it goes through before the turnstiles. But was it really 500 bones for an up top back row seat? They are $680 now.
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Post#4769 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:25 am

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darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Nothing Sarver's done in the last 10 years makes me think he'll pay 115M for 4 players (30 a piece for DA, CP3 and Booker + 25 for Mikal). I hope I'm wrong and he's learned his lesson. Guess we'll find out soon enough.


Depending on how long the CP3 contract is, lets say 3 years, he would only be paying the 4 of them that much for 2 years and the second year Crowder, Carter and Saric come off (over $23 million), then the next year, Paul comes off too...suddenly those 3 are $85 million based on your #s or a little more with increases. I don't think Bridges gets quite $25 million anyway.
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Post#4770 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:30 am

darealjuice wrote:
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darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally thek h coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?


20,000 people at $1,000 average per ticket is $20,000,000 per game in ticket sales, and not to mention the $15 beers and merchandise lol


I don't know if they've increased capacity but the avg ticket price might be higher. But year, $20 million a game plus concessions..i mean, people don't think he will spend on a key player?

I think he knows he can't just replace a guy like Bridges with ____________ after not only Joe Johnson but trying to replace Amare. Bridges is kind of the glue to this team.....and of course a guy who doesn't miss games.
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Post#4771 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:36 am

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darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Nothing Sarver's done in the last 10 years makes me think he'll pay 115M for 4 players (30 a piece for DA, CP3 and Booker + 25 for Mikal). I hope I'm wrong and he's learned his lesson. Guess we'll find out soon enough.


We haven't come close to having a playoff team worth investing in in the last 10yrs. We have a team that is in the Finals right now and those core pieces that helped us get there are 22-25 years of age and their prime might just have begun. This is the time to invest in them, not when you're like the Jazz who had no choice but to drop a 40piece on Gobert just to keep the team with fleeting playoff success together.
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Post#4772 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:37 am

Sarver spent tons of money on roster spots many times, he just unfortunately paid the wrong guys big money, and chose inexperienced people to make those large contracts.For example, we were paying Goran at #46 almost the same as Robin #15. We have made some bad picks early in drafts, which also cost us big money. Mike D made some terrible costly contract mistakes while at gm. McD spent big money on Knight.

So, he has spent a lot before, he just spent unwisely. Now, we have a solid team so the money will be spent wisely. If he was cheap, he wouldn't have had us trade for CP making $40 million, right after maxing out Booker.
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Post#4773 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:44 am

RunDogGun wrote:Sarver spent tons of money on roster spots many times, he just unfortunately paid the wrong guys big money, and chose inexperienced people to make those large contracts.For example, we were paying Goran at #46 almost the same as Robin #15. We have made some bad picks early in drafts, which also cost us big money. Mike D made some terrible costly contract mistakes while at gm. McD spent big money on Knight.

So, he has spent a lot before, he just spent unwisely. Now, we have a solid team so the money will be spent wisely. If he was cheap, he wouldn't have had us trade for CP making $40 million, right after maxing out Booker.


I believe he paid the Luxury Tax once in 06’-07’ which was the first year Amare’s deal kicked in. The following offseason he dumped KT to get back under.
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Post#4774 » by darealjuice » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:49 am

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suns12345 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:Sarver would be a damned fool if he makes the mistake of losing a key young player on a contender over penny pinching again. He said out loud that he will pay to keep the band together, I'll believe that until he mades the same dumb ass mistake again. Bridges is a big part of this team's success on defense and has shown continued development on offense. He works hard, he wants to be great, and he's a winner. Pay the man, he's only going to be more expensive next offseason. Same thing with CP3. Pay him until he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

Sarver has seen an empty stadium for years, now he's selling nose bleed tickets to playoff games for $500 a pop like hot cakes. It's a no brainer.

There's no reason we can't bring this team back next year. Chris Paul chose to come here, and it led to his first Finals appearance. We have Cam Payne's Early Bird Rights, and Torrey Craig should be available for a minimum contract. Saric will be out for most/all of the year, but ideally the coaching staff had Stix ready to step into the rotation next year anyways. We'd still be able to add a solid rotation player with the MLE and fill out the roster with the BAE and minimum contracts.


Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?



Am I right in thinking Scalpers are the ones clipping joe pub. The whole buy resell online market is throwing things way outta whack. Sarver sold the ticket once... no telling how many hands it goes through before the turnstiles. But was it really 500 bones for an up top back row seat? They are $680 now.


You’re not wrong that they’re running up the prices, but tickets were never cheap. I heard upper level tickets were in the $400-600 range when season ticket holders got first dibs at Finals tickets. My retail tickets in lower level were $500 a pop to the WCF. Point is that being a contender pays for itself.
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Post#4775 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:51 am

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Yeah....the answer to his question is no, and that's after Dario's ACL and knowing that we'll have to carry his 8M on the cap for the next 2 years with little to no value coming back.

Back to Bridges, I hate making it seem like I don't like the guy cause I do. I just have little faith in $arver. I was listening to Simmons earlier and he was talking about how in NBA circles they're not 100% sure if he wants to pay 3 guys max deals-to say nothing of the check he's gonna have to write Mikal on top of our Big 3.

He's gotta pay Ayton and I just don't see him letting CP3 go. That makes it hard for Mikal. Maybe he takes a 20M/yr deal or less, but this is a business and if he's already won a ring why would he not go for a max-if some team offered it to him? I think that some team would offer it to him: he's young, can 3&D, has a winning pedigree and best of all it would screw us.

All of that to say I can see $arver saying: "OK we won a title, I'm gonna pay Chris, DA, Book and maybe resign Payne but make a deal for Bridges if we can't get him for under 20"


That would really suck, AND with Saver, I can see how that could be a very real possibility too unfortunately. That's why my thinking was that IF able to move off that 3rd year of Sarics, And replace it perhaps with a much cheaper veteran option or even a cost controlled rookie option, Then we'd obviously have a bigger cushion with which to pay Bridges a bit more to secure him, Rather than being financially hamstrung by our current situation and leave it up to Sarvers' best judgment.

I just felt that 10 million could go a long way towards covering an escalated bigger than anticipated offer. And for that 10 million, I much rather resign Bridges than Saric. Too bad now though that the ACL has tied up everything for us. I still think that we'll be looking to figure things out to find a way to dump his salary if at all possible? Admittedly though just not too sure how to accomplish that in this current situation. :-?


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(By trading Mikal to Cleveland for the #3)

You're the draft guy. How would Jalen Suggs look on this team? I say pretty good, learning behind Chris for a couple years.


If that were to happen ( Worst case scenario) Suggs would be an ideal floor general to apprentice to Paul. He's fast, strong, a fierce competitor with a high basketball IQ and is a true floor general with great poise. He's often compared to Chauncy Billups/ Brandon Roy due to his build and firey competitiveness. He'd be an absolute steal for us. To me a 6'4 version of Van Vleet or Lowry personally.

Overall though, I think we'd choose to move Saric and Crowder in order to resign Bridges at a more lucrative amount if necessary. But IF we did anticipate not resigning Bridges, AND look to trade him in this draft for a top pick in the 4-8 range, His consensus value it seems?

I might press the Warriors for their 7th and 14th picks together in exchange for Bridges and the 29th. In that capacity, We could plan to take someone like:

7- Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes at 7.
14- Davion Mitchell or Jared Butler at 14.
**Jalen Johnson has the potential to become a bigger version of Paul Peirce. And Scottie Barnes has the potential to be a bigger Draymond Green with elite passing and a relentless motor. And Davion Mitchell has great intensity, May be the very best defensive point guard in the draft, And is lightning quick with tough demeanor and great decision making. And Jared Butler is also an elite defender with really good efficiency as a 3 level scorer. ** IF his reported heart condition isn't serious, Then he'd be my 2nd choice behind Mitchell. IF it is however, Then after Mitchell, I'm considering Shariffe Cooper or Ayo Dosunma with no regrets.

** We could also consider Moody or Keon Johnson to replace Bridges, As both would be hard nosed defenders with elite potential. But IF we looked to trade Bridges for a pick in the 6-8 range, I'm looking to extract maximum value for sure! And elite potential to add to our core. For me, that's a trade with GS for the 7 and 14th picks to secure Davion Mitchell and one of Johnson or Barnes (* If Kuminga doesn't fall two spots)??
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Post#4776 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:01 am

DirtyDez wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Sarver spent tons of money on roster spots many times, he just unfortunately paid the wrong guys big money, and chose inexperienced people to make those large contracts.For example, we were paying Goran at #46 almost the same as Robin #15. We have made some bad picks early in drafts, which also cost us big money. Mike D made some terrible costly contract mistakes while at gm. McD spent big money on Knight.

So, he has spent a lot before, he just spent unwisely. Now, we have a solid team so the money will be spent wisely. If he was cheap, he wouldn't have had us trade for CP making $40 million, right after maxing out Booker.


I believe he paid the Luxury Tax once in 06’-07’ which was the first year Amare’s deal kicked in. The following offseason he dumped KT to get back under.

But that is still over the salary tax, so money was spent. And that was because we wasted money on players like Banks who McD signed but didn't even use. We paid Diaw big money, and he came in grossly out of shape and overweight. Money spent unwisely, but still spent.
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Post#4777 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:04 am

darealjuice wrote:
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suns12345 wrote:
Anyone know how much money is made on a finals game with tickets that price?



Am I right in thinking Scalpers are the ones clipping joe pub. The whole buy resell online market is throwing things way outta whack. Sarver sold the ticket once... no telling how many hands it goes through before the turnstiles. But was it really 500 bones for an up top back row seat? They are $680 now.


You’re not wrong that they’re running up the prices, but tickets were never cheap. I heard upper level tickets were in the $400-600 range when season ticket holders got first dibs at Finals tickets. My retail tickets in lower level were $500 a pop to the WCF. Point is that being a contender pays for itself.

Plus people were dying (no pun intended) to be able to see games after a year, so prices probably went up a bit more as series went on.
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Post#4778 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:06 am

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RunDogGun wrote:Sarver spent tons of money on roster spots many times, he just unfortunately paid the wrong guys big money, and chose inexperienced people to make those large contracts.For example, we were paying Goran at #46 almost the same as Robin #15. We have made some bad picks early in drafts, which also cost us big money. Mike D made some terrible costly contract mistakes while at gm. McD spent big money on Knight.

So, he has spent a lot before, he just spent unwisely. Now, we have a solid team so the money will be spent wisely. If he was cheap, he wouldn't have had us trade for CP making $40 million, right after maxing out Booker.


I believe he paid the Luxury Tax once in 06’-07’ which was the first year Amare’s deal kicked in. The following offseason he dumped KT to get back under.

Not sure what his money situation is like but that was also a few short seasons after he bought the team so cash probably wasn't getting stacked too high. It's been over a decade since, and there were a number of years where we were operating under the salary cap because we were mostly manned by players on rookie contracts. I get the feeling he's much better positioned financially now than back in the mid-2000's. I sure hope so anyway
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Re: 2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#4779 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:50 am

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That would really suck, AND with Saver, I can see how that could be a very real possibility too unfortunately. That's why my thinking was that IF able to move off that 3rd year of Sarics, And replace it perhaps with a much cheaper veteran option or even a cost controlled rookie option, Then we'd obviously have a bigger cushion with which to pay Bridges a bit more to secure him, Rather than being financially hamstrung by our current situation and leave it up to Sarvers' best judgment.

I just felt that 10 million could go a long way towards covering an escalated bigger than anticipated offer. And for that 10 million, I much rather resign Bridges than Saric. Too bad now though that the ACL has tied up everything for us. I still think that we'll be looking to figure things out to find a way to dump his salary if at all possible? Admittedly though just not too sure how to accomplish that in this current situation. :-?


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(By trading Mikal to Cleveland for the #3)

You're the draft guy. How would Jalen Suggs look on this team? I say pretty good, learning behind Chris for a couple years.


If that were to happen ( Worst case scenario) Suggs would be an ideal floor general to apprentice to Paul. He's fast, strong, a fierce competitor with a high basketball IQ and is a true floor general with great poise. He's often compared to Chauncy Billups/ Brandon Roy due to his build and firey competitiveness. He'd be an absolute steal for us. To me a 6'4 version of Van Vleet or Lowry personally.

Overall though, I think we'd choose to move Saric and Crowder in order to resign Bridges at a more lucrative amount if necessary. But IF we did anticipate not resigning Bridges, AND look to trade him in this draft for a top pick in the 4-8 range, His consensus value it seems?

I might press the Warriors for their 7th and 14th picks together in exchange for Bridges and the 29th. In that capacity, We could plan to take someone like:

7- Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes at 7.
14- Davion Mitchell or Jared Butler at 14.
**Jalen Johnson has the potential to become a bigger version of Paul Peirce. And Scottie Barnes has the potential to be a bigger Draymond Green with elite passing and a relentless motor. And Davion Mitchell has great intensity, May be the very best defensive point guard in the draft, And is lightning quick with tough demeanor and great decision making. And Jared Butler is also an elite defender with really good efficiency as a 3 level scorer. ** IF his reported heart condition isn't serious, Then he'd be my 2nd choice behind Mitchell. IF it is however, Then after Mitchell, I'm considering Shariffe Cooper or Ayo Dosunma with no regrets.

** We could also consider Moody or Keon Johnson to replace Bridges, As both would be hard nosed defenders with elite potential. But IF we looked to trade Bridges for a pick in the 6-8 range, I'm looking to extract maximum value for sure! And elite potential to add to our core. For me, that's a trade with GS for the 7 and 14th picks to secure Davion Mitchell and one of Johnson or Barnes (* If Kuminga doesn't fall two spots)??


IDK.

IF this happened-and again I don't want it to. I'd rather just get the primo prospect. Our biggest hole, provided we replace Mikael with a resigned Craig along with Cam holding things down is a CP3 replacement. So....I'd want Suggs if I'm giving up Bridges. All comparisons I've seen say either Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups. That's just what I want replacing Chris, a leader who knows how to handle a team with many important parts.

If we give him up, we'd have to get Suggs imo.
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Re: 2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#4780 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jul 8, 2021 5:52 am

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IDK.

IF this happened-and again I don't want it to. I'd rather just get the primo prospect. Our biggest hole, provided we replace Mikael with a resigned Craig along with Cam holding things down is a CP3 replacement. So....I'd want Suggs if I'm giving up Bridges. All comparisons I've seen say either Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups. That's just what I want replacing Chris, a leader who knows how to handle a team with many important parts.

If we give him up, we'd have to get Suggs imo.[/quote]

Again, Suggs would be great really. And should be a primary target. I just don't know if Bridges for all his value could get us that high in this draft.

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The consensus seemed to place his value in the 6-10 range of the draft, With his needing an extension being a determining factor. So IF we can realistically only get as high as 6, With alot of talk of Toronto having their eyes on Suggs at 4, Then he'll be off the board anyways. And our next best value option becomes something along the lines of either the Warriors at 7 and 14, Or perhaps to Orlando for 5 and 8 or OKC for 6 and 16. That would still give two shots at an elite prospect at a positional need ( guard / SF). We'd potentially be able to get 2 high end impact prospects on cost controlled rookie deals.

And IF Bridges couldn't get us high enough ( #3) for Suggs, I'd still be very satisfied with one of Kuminga/ Johnson/ Barnes to replace him. And then one of Davion Mitchell/ Shariffe Cooper/ Ayo Dosunma to address our two positions of need if we lose Bridges to Mr Cash Considerations himself?
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