Is Hornacek the problem?

[saintEscaton]

Not gunna lie. I was hoping hat he would entertain the prospective offer and shorten his leash by losing favor with the FO for not showing unwavering loyalty. Oh well

[SunsFanSSOL]

UPDATE: 2:16 P.M.

As you can see below in the comments section of the article, Hornacek's agent, Steve Kauffman, refuted our report.

"We represent Jeff Hornacek. Rarely do I post but I will simply say this story is inaccurate. Jeff loves his alma mater and the facts are simply wrong here," Kauffman wrote. "School knew they (Iowa State) had to request permission in a certain manner from the Phoenix Suns. I do not wish to allocate the blame as to the parties at fault here. But it's a shame."

http://cyclonefanatic.com/basketball/me ... owa-state/

[Matt1979]

Sigh. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll have learnt some plays and how to get players to pass to each other.

I like the fast and furious style but not on every possession. ISO, ISO, ISO......

[Cutter]

UPDATE: 2:16 P.M.

As you can see below in the comments section of the article, Hornacek's agent, Steve Kauffman, refuted our report.

"We represent Jeff Hornacek. Rarely do I post but I will simply say this story is inaccurate. Jeff loves his alma mater and the facts are simply wrong here," Kauffman wrote. "School knew they (Iowa State) had to request permission in a certain manner from the Phoenix Suns. I do not wish to allocate the blame as to the parties at fault here. But it's a shame."

http://cyclonefanatic.com/basketball/me ... owa-state/

Is this quote implying that Iowa State asked the FO for permission to interview Hornacek and the FO denied the request?

[lilfishi22]

Is this quote implying that Iowa State asked the FO for permission to interview Hornacek and the FO denied the request?

According to a close source to the situation, Iowa State recently reached out to Hornacek and offered a meeting with athletics director Jamie Pollard and school president Steven Leath.

Hornacek’s camp declined, according to the source, and has no interest in the job.

This matches up with what a separate source told CycloneFanatic.com last week, that Hornacek is not interested in the college game, specifically when it comes to the recruiting side of the job.

I don't think the FO declined as much as they weren't consulted when Iowa State reached out him. Either way, Horny isn't interested.

[Cutter]

Is this quote implying that Iowa State asked the FO for permission to interview Hornacek and the FO denied the request?

According to a close source to the situation, Iowa State recently reached out to Hornacek and offered a meeting with athletics director Jamie Pollard and school president Steven Leath.

Hornacek’s camp declined, according to the source, and has no interest in the job.

This matches up with what a separate source told CycloneFanatic.com last week, that Hornacek is not interested in the college game, specifically when it comes to the recruiting side of the job.

I don't think the FO declined as much as they weren't consulted when Iowa State reached out him. Either way, Horny isn't interested.

Thanks. I am honestly relieved that he is staying.

[StarMaker]

We don't assure that Hornacek stay in the Suns. What if the school ask the Suns for the premission to meet him? We still keep our eyes on it until the new head coach of ISU is confirmed.

[Saberestar]

I like the addition of Earl Watson to the coaching staff. He was one of the best defending Steve Nash in his prime (in my opinion ), a really tough guy who knew how to press the ball handler and offensively he was a good playmaker. He played three years at Utah, so he knows Hornacek really well because he was an assistant coach these years.

[Revived]

Ugh

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/h ... /28417251/

I think he'll regret it because when he gets fired by the Suns (which I'd guess will be sooner than later) I don't think such a perfect opportunity (Iowa State) for a guy like him will be there.

[Puff]

I think we should change this thread name or create a new thread called "Hornacek is the Problem"

Now we are about ready to lose Markieff who at one point was progressing nicely on a reasonable contract and only 25 years old. It can be directly attributed to Hornacek's management of BOTH twins. He lost control of them during the season last year and this summer he doesn't even try to communicate with his starting forward for MONTHS. Markieff wants out. What a surprise.

We lost Goran, one of the most popular players on our team, due to Hornacek not using him correctly. Did he ever sit down with Goran and go over the changes he was making?

Gerald Green regressed under his coaching and was not resigned. I expect a huge year from him in Miami.

Plumlee showed a lot of promise in the 48 win season but regressed dramatically last year.

Alex Len regressed as the season went along.

Bledsoe played despite poor play and a poor attitude of far too many nights.

We basically play an unwatchable offensive system.

etc, etc , etc etc

I offer:

'"Hornacek is the Problem"

His problem seems obvious - he is a horrible communicator. If you cannot get that part of the job right you do not deserve to be an NBA coach.

[NTB]

Gerald Green regressed under his coaching?


Who was our coach when Gerald Green had his career year then? Same as Plumlee.

[batsmasher]

His problem seems obvious - he is a horrible communicator.

The proof is there. Marcus literally had to scream at Horny so he could be heard. Poor Bled has spent all this time miming to Horny hoping one day he could be understood.

[bigfoot]

Holy hell batman ... Marcus was whining at the refs as usual and Horny would have none of it. This is absolutely the most stupid nonsense I've heard. Isn't it really apparent why the Morri are pissed off??? Fire up a brain cell and realize they (especailly Kief) took low value contracts to stay together. Then they botched it up by being stupid, self-centered, egomaniacs. According to Gambo Kief said he would at least talk to Horny (one word answers) and wouldn't talk at all with upper management. Who has the communication problem now??

[Leapinlarry22]

I have always felt Lon Blabby was the issue, he is a former agent and seems to not understand team chemistry or how to construct a roster. He is the one that thought getting Turkoglu, Childress, Warnick was a great idea. He is the one that tried to sell fans on "Synergy" created by signing brothers on the same team, he basically plays fantasy basketball without a real feel for how a team needs to be built. I also believe he was behind the way bledsoe was handled last year forcing the signing of IT in case bled didn't sign. I don't think it's any coincidence he was pulled away from player personnel decisions this off season. McD was probably tired of getting blamed for bad moves and laid down an ultimatum. I would expect better moves from this point forward, although the assets are not as plentiful as they once were


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[JacobHoward]

I think we should change this thread name or create a new thread called "Hornacek is the Problem"

Now we are about ready to lose Markieff who at one point was progressing nicely on a reasonable contract and only 25 years old. It can be directly attributed to Hornacek's management of BOTH twins. He lost control of them during the season last year and this summer he doesn't even try to communicate with his starting forward for MONTHS. Markieff wants out. What a surprise.

We lost Goran, one of the most popular players on our team, due to Hornacek not using him correctly. Did he ever sit down with Goran and go over the changes he was making?

Gerald Green regressed under his coaching and was not resigned. I expect a huge year from him in Miami.

Plumlee showed a lot of promise in the 48 win season but regressed dramatically last year.

Alex Len regressed as the season went along.

Bledsoe played despite poor play and a poor attitude of far too many nights.

We basically play an unwatchable offensive system.

etc, etc , etc etc

I offer:

'"Hornacek is the Problem"

His problem seems obvious - he is a horrible communicator. If you cannot get that part of the job right you do not deserve to be an NBA coach.

I don't see any way you can blame Jeff for the Morris situation. At the same time Keef publicly demanded a trade, he also said that he and his brother had absolutely no problem with Hornacek, or any of their teammates, including Goran.

Goran asking for a trade is NOT Hornacek's fault. McD should've never brought in IT in the first place. From what I've heard, once Bledsoe resigned, McD told Goran that he was going to trade IT.

Green didn't regress. He played just as well early last season as he did the year before. The only thing that happened with Green was he didn't play much the second half of the season because he doesn't play defense.

Plumlee regressed, but how can that be blamed on Hornacek? As I recall it, EVERYONE here was saying Hornacek should've yanked Miles from the starting lineup sooner.

Alex Len DID NOT regress at all. He improved. His problem as the season went along was he kept getting hurt.

If Bledsoe is struggling on the offensive end, he continues to play because he's one of our best defenders.

I agree that during the second half of the season, we often had an unwatchable system, but that's because we are now playing with Bledsoe and Knight, who aren't the greatest playmakers in the world. IMO, they are both best suited as shooting guards. Rather than Knight, we should've gotten a pass first point guard and slided Bledsoe to the 2.

[enigmatics]

Wait, lemme get this straight .......

Horny coached all the guys just fine in 2013. McDonUh-Oh decides to get all mad scientist on the roster after striking out on big name FA's and decides it's time to make it not just a two PG offense, but THREE for 2014. All of the sudden the entire team's dynamic falls into the sh*tter.

Hmmmmmm ...... How is that Horny's fault? What was the guy supposed to do? The way the 2014 team was constructed was an abomination. Why stop there, let's blame Horny for not curing all the cancers of the world too.

[Leapinlarry22]

Wait, lemme get this straight .......

Horny coached all the guys just fine in 2013. McDonUh-Oh decides to get all mad scientist on the roster after striking out on big name FA's and decides it's time to make it not just a two PG offense, but THREE for 2014. All of the sudden the entire team's dynamic falls into the sh*tter.

Hmmmmmm ...... How is that Horny's fault? What was the guy supposed to do? The way the 2014 team was constructed was an abomination. Why stop there, let's blame Horny for not curing all the cancers of the world too.

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Lon Blabby has had way too much control over the moves being made, that has changed now. You can judge Ryan from here on out



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[bwgood77]

I have always felt Lon Blabby was the issue, he is a former agent and seems to not understand team chemistry or how to construct a roster. He is the one that thought getting Turkoglu, Childress, Warnick was a great idea. He is the one that tried to sell fans on "Synergy" created by signing brothers on the same team, he basically plays fantasy basketball without a real feel for how a team needs to be built. I also believe he was behind the way bledsoe was handled last year forcing the signing of IT in case bled didn't sign. I don't think it's any coincidence he was pulled away from player personnel decisions this off season. McD was probably tired of getting blamed for bad moves and laid down an ultimatum. I would expect better moves from this point forward, although the assets are not as plentiful as they once were


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I remember how proud of himself he was when they drafted Marshall and signed Beasley as well.

[Stix]

This situation somewhat reminds me of Terry Porter... before you hit reply hear this out.

At the time when Porter was signed to be coach, he wanted to implement or experiment with a new defensive philosophy and slow down our style of play when we had the personnel for a run n' gun team. This led to Diaw and Bell not fully buying into the system and eventually being traded. Which is somewhat ironic since Bell was our best defender and Diaw would prove to be a better player than he was with us (ala Spurs). Albeit, it did land us J-rich and Dudley who proved to be great system players, but was definitely a lateral move. This seems to be the trend now with McD. He is moving a lot of parts around laterally in hopes of someday nailing a diamond in the rough.

Now with Hornecek, they seem to want to experiment with this 2 PG system. And that need buy-in from the rest of the squad. If everyone is not on the same page, the experiment is ruined. Therefore, moving a disgruntled Dragic and IT was necessary to get players or asserts that will buy in to the experiment.

It is Horny's job to get these guys to fully buy into the strategy. When you get guys who don't want to cooperate, the brunt of the blame goes towards the coach, which is unfortunate. In Porter's case, he was the wrong guy to coach this team and we were much better off when Gentry took the helm and went back to the run n' gun style this team is known for.

Will this 2 PG system work? To a certain extent it does, as we saw two years ago in our most recent over achievement season. Will it eventually get us a Larry O'Brain trophy? Probably not. Will the experiment eventually fail? Probably. Will Horny get the blame? Most Definitely.

[enigmatics]

This situation somewhat reminds me of Terry Porter... before you hit reply hear this out.

At the time when Porter was signed to be coach, he wanted to implement or experiment with a new defensive philosophy and slow down our style of play when we had the personnel for a run n' gun team. This led to Diaw and Bell not fully buying into the system and eventually being traded. Which is somewhat ironic since Bell was our best defender and Diaw would prove to be a better player than he was with us (ala Spurs). Albeit, it did land us J-rich and Dudley who proved to be great system players, but was definitely a lateral move. This seems to be the trend now with McD. He is moving a lot of parts around laterally in hopes of someday nailing a diamond in the rough.

Now with Hornecek, they seem to want to experiment with this 2 PG system. And that need buy-in from the rest of the squad. If everyone is not on the same page, the experiment is ruined. Therefore, moving a disgruntled Dragic and IT was necessary to get players or asserts that will buy in to the experiment.

It is Horny's job to get these guys to fully buy into the strategy. When you get guys who don't want to cooperate, the brunt of the blame goes towards the coach, which is unfortunate. In Porter's case, he was the wrong guy to coach this team and we were much better off when Gentry took the helm and went back to the run n' gun style this team is known for.

Will this 2 PG system work? To a certain extent it does, as we saw two years ago in our most recent over achievement season. Will it eventually get us a Larry O'Brain trophy? Probably not. Will the experiment eventually fail? Probably. Will Horny get the blame? Most Definitely.

This is nonsense though. You're assuming the blueprint is a legitimate one when there's really no bonafide proof yet. There's only so much Jeff Hornacek can do with the way McD built the roster last year. The concoction of players we had was a terrible mix, probably some of the worst chemistry I've seen - which is ironic given how great it was in 2013. There were bad vibes everywhere and players weren't getting what they were promised in terms of rotations, PT, etc.