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Post#481 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:53 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Jackson has never needed a max PG, he's had BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Derek Fisher to win 11 championships.

I think the key to acquiring another top 10 pick this draft is to acquire a mid 1st (for Len / Chandler) to allow them to downgrade, hard to see a team outright trade it for a non-All Star player.


Well he also had Jordan and Kobe, who, for all intents and purposes, handled the ball (or Pippen in Chicago). Those other guys were mostly spot up shooters.
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Post#482 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:53 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Jackson has never needed a max PG, he's had BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Derek Fisher to win 11 championships.

I think the key to acquiring another top 10 pick this draft is to acquire a mid 1st (for Len / Chandler) to allow them to downgrade, hard to see a team outright trade it for a non-All Star player.


Of course, those results came with Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Toni Kukoc, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom ... without those types of ace shooting guards, excellent post-up players, and point forwards, you may need a dynamic point guard.

That said, Eric Bledsoe would probably be a terrible fit for the triangle and Brandon Knight would be even worse.
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Post#483 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:59 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Jackson has never needed a max PG, he's had BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Derek Fisher to win 11 championships.

I think the key to acquiring another top 10 pick this draft is to acquire a mid 1st (for Len / Chandler) to allow them to downgrade, hard to see a team outright trade it for a non-All Star player.


I've read this about 6 times and still do not get what you are saying.
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Post#485 » by sunsbum » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:20 pm

Anyone listen to the suns podcast with bledsoe on? Sounds like he knows hes out the door. It took him like 4 seconds of silence to answer the question "are you mad at the suns and watson for benching you?"
"Mannnnn I’m like the guy that pissed this whole board off saying literally all year no Mikal, no Mikal in the KD trade."
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Post#486 » by ATTL » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:12 pm

sunsbum wrote:Anyone listen to the suns podcast with bledsoe on? Sounds like he knows hes out the door. It took him like 4 seconds of silence to answer the question "are you mad at the suns and watson for benching you?"


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Post#487 » by sunsbum » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:20 pm

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sunsbum wrote:Anyone listen to the suns podcast with bledsoe on? Sounds like he knows hes out the door. It took him like 4 seconds of silence to answer the question "are you mad at the suns and watson for benching you?"


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http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/4/10/15240016/solar-panel-ep-9-the-walking-dead
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Post#488 » by MathiasPW » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:20 pm

Episode 9 or 10? Description says it's on episode 10 that Bledsoe participates
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Post#489 » by sunsbum » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:27 pm

MathiasPW wrote:Episode 9 or 10? Description says it's on episode 10 that Bledsoe participates


the newest one. sorry. whichever one bledsoe actually talks on
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Post#490 » by MathiasPW » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:43 pm

sunsbum wrote:
MathiasPW wrote:Episode 9 or 10? Description says it's on episode 10 that Bledsoe participates


the newest one. sorry. whichever one bledsoe actually talks on

Episode 10 then. Just heard the part when he is on the show. Last stretch of the interview definitely didn't sound good
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Post#491 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 pm

This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.
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Post#492 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.

Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.
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Post#493 » by Saberestar » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.

Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.

Yeah, the MoBros agree.
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Post#494 » by LukasBMW » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:24 am

Bledsoe needs to be the last guy we sellout. We can spin it that we wanted to go full in on a rebuild and get him to a playoff team.

If we land #1 and get Fultz, shipping Bledsoe for another lottery pick with the chance to draft Tatum/Jackson, you have to do it.

As long as we are loyal to Booker/TJ/Chriss/Ulis and our future picks, we will eventually be forgiven.
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Post#495 » by itlnsunsfan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:25 am

Saberestar wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.

Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.

Yeah, the MoBros agree.


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Post#496 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:54 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.

Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.

As much as you think that attitude to take is what makes you successful, there's whole lot of trust in business you seem to be neglecting. For the journeyman, that might be OK because that's what they are used to but it's not OK to do that to your star player who you hope will TRUST your word when it comes to future dealings. Telling Dragic (in private) they'll move IT to clear the PG log jam, only for him to see nothing happen for 2 months is not keeping your word. At the same time, not telling IT, the guy you rolled the red carpet out for to sign him, that he's getting moved until the last minute to appease Dragic is a terrible way to handle your players. Then doing damage control after trading away Mook and not telling his twin brother, yeah real good move McD. If a guy like TJ sees how you do things, why do you think he would trust us and sign with us long term on a favourable deal?

You're a fool if you really think treating players like that makes you a good GM. Burning bridges publicly and saying, "It's nothing personal, it's just business," is a surefire way for other businesses to never do business with you again.
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Post#497 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:57 am

LukasBMW wrote:Bledsoe needs to be the last guy we sellout. We can spin it that we wanted to go full in on a rebuild and get him to a playoff team.

If we land #1 and get Fultz, shipping Bledsoe for another lottery pick with the chance to draft Tatum/Jackson, you have to do it.

As long as we are loyal to Booker/TJ/Chriss/Ulis and our future picks, we will eventually be forgiven.

But hey, there's no place for loyalty in business, it's just business :roll:
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Post#498 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:57 am

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ginobiliflops wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:This will be another hurdle for McD to get over. He has a history in his short tenure with the Suns of creating uncertainty with his players, especially stars, and in the process making them feel like they are just an asset which affects their play and the locker room.

Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.

As much as you think that attitude to take is what makes you successful, there's whole lot of trust in business you seem to be neglecting. For the journeyman, that might be OK because that's what they are used to but it's not OK to do that to your star player who you hope will TRUST your word when it comes to future dealings. Telling Dragic (in private) they'll move IT to clear the PG log jam, only for him to see nothing happen for 2 months is not keeping your word. At the same time, not telling IT, the guy you rolled the red carpet out for to sign him, that he's getting moved until the last minute to appease Dragic is a terrible way to handle your players. Then doing damage control after trading away Mook and not telling his twin brother, yeah real good move McD. If a guy like TJ sees how you do things, why do you think he would trust us and sign with us long term on a favourable deal?

You're a fool if you really think treating players like that makes you a good GM. Burning bridges publicly and saying, "It's nothing personal, it's just business," is a surefire way for other businesses to never do business with you again.


Yeah, it's so bad for business to refuse to be held hostage by a player making demands. It's so bad for business to then accommodate said player ensuring maximum return was received for the business when the timing was right. It's so bad for business to try and make your business more successful by not staying stagnant. It's so bad for business to not kiss your average-good employees asses in fear that their contract is not sufficient enough to follow through with their part of the bargain. I don't follow your line of thinking here. This isn't the Shaq/Orlando situation. Dragic nor IT are generational type players who deserve special treatment.
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Post#499 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:56 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Dragic is that you? It's a damn business, man. Nothing is personal in business.

As much as you think that attitude to take is what makes you successful, there's whole lot of trust in business you seem to be neglecting. For the journeyman, that might be OK because that's what they are used to but it's not OK to do that to your star player who you hope will TRUST your word when it comes to future dealings. Telling Dragic (in private) they'll move IT to clear the PG log jam, only for him to see nothing happen for 2 months is not keeping your word. At the same time, not telling IT, the guy you rolled the red carpet out for to sign him, that he's getting moved until the last minute to appease Dragic is a terrible way to handle your players. Then doing damage control after trading away Mook and not telling his twin brother, yeah real good move McD. If a guy like TJ sees how you do things, why do you think he would trust us and sign with us long term on a favourable deal?

You're a fool if you really think treating players like that makes you a good GM. Burning bridges publicly and saying, "It's nothing personal, it's just business," is a surefire way for other businesses to never do business with you again.


Yeah, it's so bad for business to refuse to be held hostage by a player making demands. It's so bad for business to then accommodate said player ensuring maximum return was received for the business when the timing was right. It's so bad for business to try and make your business more successful by not staying stagnant. It's so bad for business to not kiss your average-good employees asses in fear that their contract is not sufficient enough to follow through with their part of the bargain. I don't follow your line of thinking here. This isn't the Shaq/Orlando situation. Dragic nor IT are generational type players who deserve special treatment.


Special treatment? :roll: You mean treating them like a human being? Like how a professional business should treat their employees? If you demand professionalism from your players, then you should be expected to be professional in your conduct as well. There's nowhere that says being professional means you forgo common courtesy and to treat your employees like they aren't people.

Like I said, you're neglecting a huge part of what makes a successful business if you think it's normal treating your employees or even your customers like dirt, just because you can. And guess what, they may be your employees and could contractually treat them like just an asset but what you do is how you will be perceived by other people on the outside looking in. If you continue to be an untrustworthy a-hole then people should and will see you as an untrustworthy a-hole. But hey, maybe you've owned a business and have ran it in this fashion and have been successful.

In the NBA, how do you think a quote like this is perceived not just by players on other teams/free agents but also by our own players?
As the trade deadline that season approached, Dragic, who was set to be a free agent, told reporters there was "no way" he would re-sign with Phoenix.

"I don't trust them anymore," Dragic said after practice one day. "It happens too many times. Two, three times.

"They give promises, OK. It's hard. ... I just hit that point of my career that it's better for me and my family to move on."


This is a player who's been a company man his entire career so for him to speak out, it's not only uncharacteristic, it says a lot about how our front office dealt with the situation. You shouldn't need to be a top 5 center of all time to warrant, what you would call, special treatment.

This line of thinking isn't just mine. It's how good front offices get to be respected.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe 

Post#500 » by Frank Lee » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:51 am

dont forget, much of the 'business' at that time was being conducted by the Babbler. Mcdo was just marching to the beat.

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