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Cutter wrote:76'ers just beat the Kings in Sacramento. Ish is really making a difference for the Sixers.
Jdiddy701 wrote:I seriously would trade Markieff for Ish Smith. I love that guy.
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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Rounded %
Worst - 25%
2nd Worst - 20%
3rd Worst - 15%
4th Worst - 12%
5th Worst - 9%
1UPZ wrote:For the anti tanking group who thinks draft picks are a crap shoot...
Remember high picks are very valuable.. Can be traded for stars draft night. Harden was offered for pick 2 (Beal), Cousins would of been dealt for pick if Towns was available... But I would kept Towns in that case.
Suns can even trade Knight for a pick 8-10 on draft night, Bledsoe for a pick 4-8 and if they get a top r pick... They potentially can package all picks for a top 1 pick and future .... Or keep all and rebuild clean....
DarkHawk wrote:Would you guys trade Knight/Tucker for Rose/1st?
This would be more of a cap relief move as Rose has under 2 years left on his deal.
If we're to tank, this would help (especially with Rose's play being so poor of late).
Or am I undervaluing Knight too much?
Rose could put butts in seats initially and become a valuable expiring next season.
And maybe we get lucky and the training staff gets him on a program to maximize his abilities again.
I dunno, just looking at ways to clear cap room. Dunno how desperate the Bulls are to dump Rose (if at all).
1UPZ wrote:For the anti tanking group who thinks draft picks are a crap shoot...
Remember high picks are very valuable.. Can be traded for stars draft night. Harden was offered for pick 2 (Beal), Cousins would of been dealt for pick if Towns was available... But I would kept Towns in that case.
Suns can even trade Knight for a pick 8-10 on draft night, Bledsoe for a pick 4-8 and if they get a top r pick... They potentially can package all picks for a top 1 pick and future .... Or keep all and rebuild clean....
BobbieL wrote:When the hell is Ryan going to dump Kieff already?
That guy is such a loser - he is bringing down the entire team
Do whatever you have to do!!
DarkHawk wrote:Would you guys trade Knight/Tucker for Rose/1st?
This would be more of a cap relief move as Rose has under 2 years left on his deal.
If we're to tank, this would help (especially with Rose's play being so poor of late).
Or am I undervaluing Knight too much?
Rose could put butts in seats initially and become a valuable expiring next season.
And maybe we get lucky and the training staff gets him on a program to maximize his abilities again.
I dunno, just looking at ways to clear cap room. Dunno how desperate the Bulls are to dump Rose (if at all).
1UPZ wrote:Dump and future pick trades
Chandler for Lee and celtics pick
Knight + Leuer for Z.Lavine and Dieng
Morris + Tucker for Jeff Green
SF88 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:I seriously would trade Markieff for Ish Smith. I love that guy.
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He has better court vision and is more of a PG than any PG the Suns have had since Nash.
1UPZ wrote:For the anti tanking group who thinks draft picks are a crap shoot...
Remember high picks are very valuable.. Can be traded for stars draft night. Harden was offered for pick 2 (Beal), Cousins would of been dealt for pick if Towns was available... But I would kept Towns in that case.
Suns can even trade Knight for a pick 8-10 on draft night, Bledsoe for a pick 4-8 and if they get a top r pick... They potentially can package all picks for a top 1 pick and future .... Or keep all and rebuild clean....
Sunsdeuce wrote:SF88 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:I seriously would trade Markieff for Ish Smith. I love that guy.
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He has better court vision and is more of a PG than any PG the Suns have had since Nash.
That's the hard truth many people need to inhale. Ish is a better "PG" than any PG on the Suns roster (including Bledsoe and Knight). Let's face it Bledsoe is a stat stuffer (as many people like to label other players). Nothing that Bledsoe does makes the players around him better. The best season this team had within the last 6 years (when Bledsoe was on the roster) was when Bledsoe was injuried for half the season.
What's done is done but Dragic (regardless of his age) should have been the cornerstone of this franchise. He made players better. Bledsoe should have been used as an asset and traded. And he still can and should be. I got it, some people really like Bledsoe and they went out and got his jersey but it's very misguided. As long as Bledsoe is considered this franchise's "star" player, this organization is stuck with the 13th pick or worse until his contract expires or is traded.
Knight makes just as much bad decisions on the court as Bledsoe but what makes his value more is his shooting ability. This league has transitioned to ALL players needing the ability to shoot. NBA consistantly changes just like any sport so there will be a time where it goes back to players with post skills and dominance down in the post (this is by far the worst era EVER as far a talented big men, kinda sad, which has forced this new video game style NBA and in my opinion worst era of NBA basketball ever).
My opinion (and that's all it is) is that this team needs to be torn down to the bare bones. The Suns have some really nice role players they drafted that they should keep and play. Len, although he will never be a star, is a good quality role player, Booker is super young and is a great shooter which makes him a great value and keeper, and than you have Warren, who has talent which is worth developing.
Everyone else, needs to be traded or let go once their contract is up. Ryan Mcd has got to be held accountable for this mess he created. No need me to bring up Sarver because we all know he is the backbone of all the problems of this franchise.
BTW: Boggles my mind how a select few here still defend Sarver. Your team is a representation of the owner in any sport. Sarver is by far Top 3 in worst owners in all of sports.
AtheJ415 wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:SF88 wrote:He has better court vision and is more of a PG than any PG the Suns have had since Nash.
That's the hard truth many people need to inhale. Ish is a better "PG" than any PG on the Suns roster (including Bledsoe and Knight). Let's face it Bledsoe is a stat stuffer (as many people like to label other players). Nothing that Bledsoe does makes the players around him better. The best season this team had within the last 6 years (when Bledsoe was on the roster) was when Bledsoe was injuried for half the season.
What's done is done but Dragic (regardless of his age) should have been the cornerstone of this franchise. He made players better. Bledsoe should have been used as an asset and traded. And he still can and should be. I got it, some people really like Bledsoe and they went out and got his jersey but it's very misguided. As long as Bledsoe is considered this franchise's "star" player, this organization is stuck with the 13th pick or worse until his contract expires or is traded.
Knight makes just as much bad decisions on the court as Bledsoe but what makes his value more is his shooting ability. This league has transitioned to ALL players needing the ability to shoot. NBA consistantly changes just like any sport so there will be a time where it goes back to players with post skills and dominance down in the post (this is by far the worst era EVER as far a talented big men, kinda sad, which has forced this new video game style NBA and in my opinion worst era of NBA basketball ever).
My opinion (and that's all it is) is that this team needs to be torn down to the bare bones. The Suns have some really nice role players they drafted that they should keep and play. Len, although he will never be a star, is a good quality role player, Booker is super young and is a great shooter which makes him a great value and keeper, and than you have Warren, who has talent which is worth developing.
Everyone else, needs to be traded or let go once their contract is up. Ryan Mcd has got to be held accountable for this mess he created. No need me to bring up Sarver because we all know he is the backbone of all the problems of this franchise.
BTW: Boggles my mind how a select few here still defend Sarver. Your team is a representation of the owner in any sport. Sarver is by far Top 3 in worst owners in all of sports.
That's no hard truth. If your definition of a PG is just court vision then Ish is a top PG in this league. His numbers in assist % trounce just about everyone aside from an elite few. If your definition of a PG is as an overall ball player who can do it all, which is what it has become in the modern NBA, then he gets obliterated by both of ours and many others across the league.
There is literally 0 backing that a team wins more games with Ish than Bledsoe.
Dragic looks like one of the worst contracts in basketball. He is halving Bledsoe's production while getting called out by teammates and getting paid more than Bledsoe, while being 29 and surrounded by much better current talent.
Knight is a better shooter than Bledsoe, but Bledsoe is a damn good shooter this year. Not sure how you can knock Bledsoe's shooting. And Bledsoe is more valuable than Knight because of how bad Knight is defensively imo, although the age and injury history would play a factor here also.
Not sure how you can say Len won't ever be a star. He's ahead of many a star at the same age. Only a small handful of guys walk into this league and consistently show star potential and performance at the age of 22. Len doesn't do that,but he does show small flashes, which is what most guys who become stars show at the same age. There are only so many Lebron's, Durant's, and Davis's in this world. Look at Curry, Leonard, and George, for instance. Hell, look at Nash.
It boggles my mind that there are people still advocating for Dragic here.
AtheJ415 wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:SF88 wrote:He has better court vision and is more of a PG than any PG the Suns have had since Nash.
That's the hard truth many people need to inhale. Ish is a better "PG" than any PG on the Suns roster (including Bledsoe and Knight). Let's face it Bledsoe is a stat stuffer (as many people like to label other players). Nothing that Bledsoe does makes the players around him better. The best season this team had within the last 6 years (when Bledsoe was on the roster) was when Bledsoe was injuried for half the season.
What's done is done but Dragic (regardless of his age) should have been the cornerstone of this franchise. He made players better. Bledsoe should have been used as an asset and traded. And he still can and should be. I got it, some people really like Bledsoe and they went out and got his jersey but it's very misguided. As long as Bledsoe is considered this franchise's "star" player, this organization is stuck with the 13th pick or worse until his contract expires or is traded.
Knight makes just as much bad decisions on the court as Bledsoe but what makes his value more is his shooting ability. This league has transitioned to ALL players needing the ability to shoot. NBA consistantly changes just like any sport so there will be a time where it goes back to players with post skills and dominance down in the post (this is by far the worst era EVER as far a talented big men, kinda sad, which has forced this new video game style NBA and in my opinion worst era of NBA basketball ever).
My opinion (and that's all it is) is that this team needs to be torn down to the bare bones. The Suns have some really nice role players they drafted that they should keep and play. Len, although he will never be a star, is a good quality role player, Booker is super young and is a great shooter which makes him a great value and keeper, and than you have Warren, who has talent which is worth developing.
Everyone else, needs to be traded or let go once their contract is up. Ryan Mcd has got to be held accountable for this mess he created. No need me to bring up Sarver because we all know he is the backbone of all the problems of this franchise.
BTW: Boggles my mind how a select few here still defend Sarver. Your team is a representation of the owner in any sport. Sarver is by far Top 3 in worst owners in all of sports.
That's no hard truth. If your definition of a PG is just court vision then Ish is a top PG in this league. His numbers in assist % trounce just about everyone aside from an elite few. If your definition of a PG is as an overall ball player who can do it all, which is what it has become in the modern NBA, then he gets obliterated by both of ours and many others across the league.
There is literally 0 backing that a team wins more games with Ish than Bledsoe.
Dragic looks like one of the worst contracts in basketball. He is halving Bledsoe's production while getting called out by teammates and getting paid more than Bledsoe, while being 29 and surrounded by much better current talent.
Knight is a better shooter than Bledsoe, but Bledsoe is a damn good shooter this year. Not sure how you can knock Bledsoe's shooting. And Bledsoe is more valuable than Knight because of how bad Knight is defensively imo, although the age and injury history would play a factor here also.
Not sure how you can say Len won't ever be a star. He's ahead of many a star at the same age. Only a small handful of guys walk into this league and consistently show star potential and performance at the age of 22. Len doesn't do that,but he does show small flashes, which is what most guys who become stars show at the same age. There are only so many Lebron's, Durant's, and Davis's in this world. Look at Curry, Leonard, and George, for instance. Hell, look at Nash.
It boggles my mind that there are people still advocating for Dragic here.