The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[MathiasPW]

just sayin'

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

[phnart]

We're not getting Hayward. That would make too much sense...and if we did, we'd over pay.

[bwgood77]

just sayin'

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

[jcsunsfan]

just sayin'

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

Worse, not far worse. Worse by a small amount. I was actually surprised how close, especially since Knight played half the year with a hernia.

[gaspar]

just sayin'

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

Not really. Their eFG% was virtually the same last season and we all know that Knight can shoot much better from deep than 34%. While I agree that Knight is the worst of these players, I wouldn't trade Brandon + #4 pick or Warren for any of them, especially for Hayward who will be a free agent next summer.

In a month, when players like Dellavedova, Crabbe, Ezeli or Marvin Williams start signing contracts for $12M per year, Knight's contract will look like a steal.

[bwgood77]

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

Worse, not far worse. Worse by a small amount. I was actually surprised how close, especially since Knight played half the year with a hernia.

Yes, I guess I just see 41% and it looks far worse to me thatn 44-45%, but a lot of that looks like it has to do with a higher volume of 3s. But still his 2p% was 46% when the others were closer to 48-50%. Just cut out the long 2s and it would likely much improve.

[bwgood77]

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

Not really. Their eFG% was virtually the same last season and we all know that Knight can shoot much better from deep than 34%. While I agree that Knight is the worst of these players, I wouldn't trade Brandon + #4 pick or Warren for any of them, especially for Hayward who will be a free agent next summer.

In a month, when players like Dellavedova, Crabbe, Ezeli or Marvin Williams start signing contracts for $12M per year, Knight's contract will look like a steal.

Well the Brandon +4 trade I was more looking at the fact that we got Burks back who is extremely similar to Knight. Then you are basically trading the 4 for Hayward and the #12 and the another pick, and I don't think we will get as good as player as Hayward at 4. The #12 giving us b2b options there would be nice as well as the additional pick.

I wasn't really saying I'd do it though, as I do like Warren, just that I thought it was a somewhat fair offer.

Scratch that Burks comment...I thought it was him and not Burke. I don't know if Burke is a legit backup PG, and I'd be surprised they would want Knight AND Burks, so I was just assuming it would be him.

[JMac1]

Knight and #13 to Philly for Okafor, Okafor to Boston for #3.

We draft Bender and Murray back to back!

[saintEscaton]

just sayin'

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

I know Kyrie is choking in the biggest stage of his life against a historically great team but don’t insult him like that, he has light up legit contenders and has a great playoff record whereas Knight only stat pads against bottom feeders. Kyrie regressed this regular season and gets hated on for being a flashy showman who overdribbles, but is still one of the best finishers in the game. Comparing their careers it’s a no contest, Kyrie obliterates him in nearly every APBR metric, be it PER,VORP,BPM. WS/48

Also..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_WjR6iaj4[/youtube]

[darealjuice]

Guys look, Brandon Knight got his ankles broke 2 years ago during All Star weekend let's point and laugh!

[bwgood77]

Not sure what you are saying. If it is that Knight is comparable to the rest, I'd say you are failing to consider defense (other than steals, where he also is worse than most), A2TO ratio and overall intangibles such as team engagement and clutch performance.

I'd compare Knight to Irving. The others are far superior to him, all things considered.

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

I know Kyrie is choking in the biggest stage of his life against a historically great team but don’t insult him like that, he has light up legit contenders and has a great playoff record whereas Knight only stat pads against bottom feeders. Kyrie regressed this regular season and gets hated on for being a flashy showman who overdribbles, but is still one of the best finishers in the game. Comparing their careers it’s a no contest, Kyrie obliterates him in nearly every APBR metric, be it PER,VORP,BPM. WS/48

Also..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_WjR6iaj4[/youtube]

Sure Kyrie's better but how much did he light up legit contenders before he played with LeBron? Knight has had some monster games too. I understand Kyrie's better but it doesn't mean I want him. Simply not a fan of shoot first pgs who avg less than 5 apg, or even pgs who avg less than about 8 apg. And he shot terribly from 3. I don't really care as much about finishing. That's a nice plus if you have elite passing or outside shooting skills like Curry or Lillard, but if not, you have Archie Goodwin. Not saying he's Archie, but I'm just not a big fan. Don't want him.

[dremill24]

Well not just that, but that graphic shows that Knight was a far worse shooter than any of those guys this past year. I think some of that had to do with team circumstances, but I don't really like his style of iso, dribbling, jacking up a long 2. And then there is the fact that we have Bledsoe and Booker. But those who consider Irving much superior are mistaken. He may be a little better, but not as much as most people think.

Not really. Their eFG% was virtually the same last season and we all know that Knight can shoot much better from deep than 34%. While I agree that Knight is the worst of these players, I wouldn't trade Brandon + #4 pick or Warren for any of them, especially for Hayward who will be a free agent next summer.

In a month, when players like Dellavedova, Crabbe, Ezeli or Marvin Williams start signing contracts for $12M per year, Knight's contract will look like a steal.

Well the Brandon +4 trade I was more looking at the fact that we got Burks back who is extremely similar to Knight. Then you are basically trading the 4 for Hayward and the #12 and the another pick, and I don't think we will get as good as player as Hayward at 4. The #12 giving us b2b options there would be nice as well as the additional pick.

I wasn't really saying I'd do it though, as I do like Warren, just that I thought it was a somewhat fair offer.

Scratch that Burks comment...I thought it was him and not Burke. I don't know if Burke is a legit backup PG, and I'd be surprised they would want Knight AND Burks, so I was just assuming it would be him.

I'm having a hard time understanding the scenario. Burke, Burks, and Knight are all pretty different. Who's going where and how are they similar to Knight?

[NTB]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Suns/status/740621952625180672[/tweet]

I know everyone loves PJ in locker room but are they really that close? A photo of Bled & Lebron would fit better

[JMac1]

just sayin'

[bwgood77]

I'm having a hard time understanding the scenario. Burke, Burks, and Knight are all pretty different. Who's going where and how are they similar to Knight?

The scenario was here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1451515

I was thinking when I read it we would get, in the proposed scenario, Hayward, Burks, #12 and a pick from Cleveland in 2020 for the 4, Tucker and Knight....it would be a 3 way with Utah if you look at the link.

I was basically just saying it seemed reasonable and not that I'd do it, but I figure Hayward is probably better (or at least more of a sure thing) than who we would get at 4 (certainly more ready to contribute now if that was the goal). And then Burks isn't a huge downgrade from Knight, and would probably be happier in a 6th man type roll, or just coming off the bench. Their per 36 stats, TS% and PER are all similar, and Burks was a far better 3 pt shooter this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/e4LQm

And of course in addition to the two swaps we get #12 so have b2b picks there and could maybe go Valentine/PF, raw PF/more ready PF, Luwawu/PF, Baldwin or Dejounte Murray/PF, or whatever.

Don't know that I'd do it, because I like Warren, and like Tucker more than most, and would rather roll the dice with Bender if there at 4, but was just posting that and another reasonable trade that was there which was Knight and 28 for Gibson, McDermott and #14.

But then in a later post I realized the first trade was including Burke, NOT Burks, so that made it less desirable, though he is on a rookie deal so essentially we could just save cap space that we are paying Knight for people who would rather not have that contract. I'm ok having it and would like to see if he gets better, and perhaps accepts a role off the bench, or use him in a trade, but we will see if that works out.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Knight and #13 to Philly for Okafor, Okafor to Boston for #3.

We draft Bender and Murray back to back!

That would be absolutely awesome!!! I would be exstatic if we could pull that off.

Brilliant idea too by the way. I still would want to secure that 2017 brooklyn pick somehow from them , If we could. Maybe add in tucker, and miamis' 2018? pick.

Mcdonough gets help from his mentor...ainge?

[SideSwipe]

Knight and #13 to Philly for Okafor, Okafor to Boston for #3.

We draft Bender and Murray back to back!

That would be absolutely awesome!!! I would be exstatic if we could pull that off.

Brilliant idea too by the way. I still would want to secure that 2017 brooklyn pick somehow from them , If we could. Maybe add in tucker, and miamis' 2018? pick.

Mcdonough gets help from his mentor...ainge?

I think if we get #3 and #4, they will promptly be traded for top-end vet talent along with additional Suns assets.

PG for Warren, #3, #4, #28, TPE would look very enticing
JB for Knight, #3
or
Booker, Warren, Len, #3, #4, TPE for AD (although even that may not be enough to get him)

Bled/
Booker/
PG/
FA/
Chandler/

That is a nice core to build from through FA or additional moves.

[Kerrsed]

Knight/#13 does not net you Okafor. Sorry to say, but he holds much higher value than that.

[BullyKing]

Knight and #13 to Philly for Okafor, Okafor to Boston for #3.

We draft Bender and Murray back to back!

That would be absolutely awesome!!! I would be exstatic if we could pull that off.

Brilliant idea too by the way. I still would want to secure that 2017 brooklyn pick somehow from them , If we could. Maybe add in tucker, and miamis' 2018? pick.

Mcdonough gets help from his mentor...ainge?

Yes, "brilliant" idea because obviously the Sixers wouldn't just trade Okafor for 3 themselves.

[SunsFanSSOL]

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