2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[TeamTragic]

No I mean from Toronto's perspective. Is Kawhi really worth the risk for trading their likely"best trade chip? Is Kawhi who you really want knowing that he's indicated he wants to go to LA

I don't think you are understanding. DeRozan leaves next offseason and the Raptors get nothing back.

Trade him now and they get a shot at convincing Kawhi that he should resign. If he doesn't resign then they start their rebuild.

No, I get that he's probably gonna go. I'm asking why wouldn't the Raps look at moving him for a young player with some potential, under contract and hasn't talked about wanting to play as well in his last season of his deal, you know the usual rebuilding type assets over a guy you know has probably the same chance of bailing and Raptors get nothing either?

It's like if you knew Booker probably wants to play somewhere else next season and didn't sign an extension to stick around, do you trade him (and likely 1 or 2 other valuable assets) for Kawhi Leonard with full knowledge that Kawhi has already indicated he wanted to play in LA? OR do you trade Book to another team for a lesser player but one who would stick around?

I'm sure they explored trading DeRozan for a younger player. In fact we heard rumors after that dismal performance against the Cavaliers.

I'm convinced that the return was terrible. Thus it makes sense to flip him for Kawhi.

DeRozan is pretty much in the same position. Raptors prefer rolling the dice with Kawhi. I don't blame them.

[lilfishi22]

Just seems risky to me to move your only decent trade chip for a guy who's as likely if not more likely to leave after a season. But maybe you're right, with Lebron gone and only the Celtics/Sixers offering any competition, a deep Raptors team with an even better player than DD could put them over the top.

If he doesn't come back to at least 85% MVP Kawhi or he still leaves, it's gonna look like a horrible move

[m1chal]

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Plz no Schroder to PHX.

Why would Schroeder to Phoenix happen?

Also, legit serious, not trying to be funny or argue... What's the knock on Schroeder? Not really followed him much except looks like he got nice stats maybe?

Fairly certain he's has assault charges pending, and he offers nothing that Knight doesn't already do.

And he seems to be dumb AF.

[JohnWall2]

Why would Schroeder to Phoenix happen?

Also, legit serious, not trying to be funny or argue... What's the knock on Schroeder? Not really followed him much except looks like he got nice stats maybe?

Fairly certain he's has assault charges pending, and he offers nothing that Knight doesn't already do.

And he seems to be dumb AF.

Average shooter, bad defender, needs the ball in his hands to be most effective. Worst possible fit.

BIG no thanks to him and Smart. Lets roll with what we have until we find a fit that suits us and our core, no need to rush, we aren't winning the chip this year. Lets see what we have with Shaq, Okobo and even Knight and then reassess. No need at at all to panic, lets just focus on our other pieces and when the right PG comes along we'll strike.

[Waylay13]

In fact, I'd go this far, the 2 FAs who could help this Suns team the least are Marcus Smart and Rajon Rondo.

You do understand that the Suns are going to try to run a 4 out offense with everyone but Ayton be able to hit the 3? Both Smart and Rondo are very poor outside shooting threats. To top that off Rondo is toxic in the lockroom backed by multiple reports and at most teams only being willing to give him single year contracts. So no I wouldnt touch them at all.

Pretty sure you misread my post.

Yes it does appear that i did.

[BobbieL]

Why would Schroeder to Phoenix happen?

Also, legit serious, not trying to be funny or argue... What's the knock on Schroeder? Not really followed him much except looks like he got nice stats maybe?

Fairly certain he's has assault charges pending, and he offers nothing that Knight doesn't already do.

And he seems to be dumb AF.

Zach Lowe had an article pre free agency and at the time, he had a paragraph on the Suns and their PG solutions. He mentioned a lot of names. We know them - we have all discussed them. But he did say "Schroeder" was not an option. That was again, two weeks ago but I doubt Schroeder is an option.

Now, Sunday is July 15. The day Milos Teodosic is to be waived and the Clippers only owe him 2.1m or if he is on the roster - he is owed is total 6.3m salary. Now, the Clippers are 17 players, just signed Bradley again, drafted two guard - Milos is getting cut. Is he the PG the Suns are waiting for. And if so, who is going to be waived to replaced him. If its Shaq or Reed - I think we will all be pretty ticked and know this was a SArver move. If its Daniels waived or traded - I think we know SArver values the long game

Faried and Darrell Arthur to the Nets - Nuggets save a boat load of cash; Nets get more picks.

I am good with the Suns not using assets to dump Chandler and Dudley as I think the Suns are about a year behind the Nuggets, maybe two. So not necessary. But see what happens.

[BobbieL]

Fair enough. Bobbie is right. It's all about what's included in the deal.

because if you tell me is like DeRozan for Kawhi, maybe one future first, cap filler - thats one thing. Toronto takes back say Gasol for whatever - okay fine

and i am the Raptors, I have peaked with this team and the EAst doesn't have LeBron -
I might take a big swing as the worst that happens is Kawhi leaves and you start getting cap space back. I know thats a lot but - and DeRozan is gone. But still...

if the deal is Kawhi for DeRozan and three future firsts like Ainge got from the NEts - the Raptors cannot make that trade - as look how its crippled the Nets and even with Kawhi, no guarantees you are better than the Celtics. And we all knew those Nets team with an aging GArnett, Joe Johnson and Pierce were not better than the HEat.

[Fo-Real]

In fact, I'd go this far, the 2 FAs who could help this Suns team the least are Marcus Smart and Rajon Rondo.

You do understand that the Suns are going to try to run a 4 out offense with everyone but Ayton be able to hit the 3? Both Smart and Rondo are very poor outside shooting threats. To top that off Rondo is toxic in the lockroom backed by multiple reports and at most teams only being willing to give him single year contracts. So no I wouldnt touch them at all.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Fairly certain he's has assault charges pending, and he offers nothing that Knight doesn't already do.

And he seems to be dumb AF.

Zach Lowe had an article pre free agency and at the time, he had a paragraph on the Suns and their PG solutions. He mentioned a lot of names. We know them - we have all discussed them. But he did say "Schroeder" was not an option. That was again, two weeks ago but I doubt Schroeder is an option.

Now, Sunday is July 15. The day Milos Teodosic is to be waived and the Clippers only owe him 2.1m or if he is on the roster - he is owed is total 6.3m salary. Now, the Clippers are 17 players, just signed Bradley again, drafted two guard - Milos is getting cut. Is he the PG the Suns are waiting for. And if so, who is going to be waived to replaced him. If its Shaq or Reed - I think we will all be pretty ticked and know this was a SArver move. If its Daniels waived or traded - I think we know SArver values the long game

Faried and Darrell Arthur to the Nets - Nuggets save a boat load of cash; Nets get more picks.

I am good with the Suns not using assets to dump Chandler and Dudley as I think the Suns are about a year behind the Nuggets, maybe two. So not necessary. But see what happens.

I do suspect that Milos ends up a sun either by trade or if he's cut this weekend. Makes sense with his serbian ties to Igor and he'd give them a good insurance policy is knight keeps being knight and stinks.

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[BobbieL]

And he seems to be dumb AF.

Zach Lowe had an article pre free agency and at the time, he had a paragraph on the Suns and their PG solutions. He mentioned a lot of names. We know them - we have all discussed them. But he did say "Schroeder" was not an option. That was again, two weeks ago but I doubt Schroeder is an option.

Now, Sunday is July 15. The day Milos Teodosic is to be waived and the Clippers only owe him 2.1m or if he is on the roster - he is owed is total 6.3m salary. Now, the Clippers are 17 players, just signed Bradley again, drafted two guard - Milos is getting cut. Is he the PG the Suns are waiting for. And if so, who is going to be waived to replaced him. If its Shaq or Reed - I think we will all be pretty ticked and know this was a SArver move. If its Daniels waived or traded - I think we know SArver values the long game

Faried and Darrell Arthur to the Nets - Nuggets save a boat load of cash; Nets get more picks.

I am good with the Suns not using assets to dump Chandler and Dudley as I think the Suns are about a year behind the Nuggets, maybe two. So not necessary. But see what happens.

I do suspect that Milos ends up a sun either by trade or if he's cut this weekend. Makes sense with his serbian ties to Igor and he'd give them a good insurance policy is knight keeps being knight and stinks.

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I don't think Milos is a trade option since the Suns are capped out and I think the two scenarios that trade wise work are:
1) Milos for Daniels, Shaq &/or Reed
2) Milos and either Boban or Wes J for Chandler

My guess, the Suns have a 4.4m exception, Milos probably gets waived, Clippers send him with a 2.1m parting gift (like a game show contestant - bringing the big john popper on a Friday!) -- and the Suns use all or part of that exception to bring in Milos Teodosic. Suns would need to move out a player - I think Troy is traded but where at this point. Granted the Suns can keep 20 players on roster so nothing has to be done TODAY. But just by whatever the cut-off player deadline is

[bwgood77]

No I mean from Toronto's perspective. Is Kawhi really worth the risk for trading their likely"best trade chip? Is Kawhi who you really want knowing that he's indicated he wants to go to LA

I don't think you are understanding. DeRozan leaves next offseason and the Raptors get nothing back.

Trade him now and they get a shot at convincing Kawhi that he should resign. If he doesn't resign then they start their rebuild.

No, I get that he's probably gonna go. I'm asking why wouldn't the Raps look at moving him for a young player with some potential, under contract and hasn't talked about wanting to play as well in his last season of his deal, you know the usual rebuilding type assets over a guy you know has probably the same chance of bailing and Raptors get nothing either?

It's like if you knew Booker probably wants to play somewhere else next season and didn't sign an extension to stick around, do you trade him (and likely 1 or 2 other valuable assets) for Kawhi Leonard with full knowledge that Kawhi has already indicated he wanted to play in LA? OR do you trade Book to another team for a lesser player but one who would stick around?

Yeah, but we were the worst team in the league and the Raptors were the #1 seed in the east. Is trading him for young assets worth it? If you think you have a shot at the finals with Kawhi right now do you not take it even with the risk? The risk for us trading these guys and them leaving is that we were not going to accomplish much anyway, so their is little upside and a bigger chance they leave. If Kawhi DID get to the finals and liked Toronto they may think they have a decent shot at him staying too.

[jcsunsfan]

Zach Lowe had an article pre free agency and at the time, he had a paragraph on the Suns and their PG solutions. He mentioned a lot of names. We know them - we have all discussed them. But he did say "Schroeder" was not an option. That was again, two weeks ago but I doubt Schroeder is an option.

Now, Sunday is July 15. The day Milos Teodosic is to be waived and the Clippers only owe him 2.1m or if he is on the roster - he is owed is total 6.3m salary. Now, the Clippers are 17 players, just signed Bradley again, drafted two guard - Milos is getting cut. Is he the PG the Suns are waiting for. And if so, who is going to be waived to replaced him. If its Shaq or Reed - I think we will all be pretty ticked and know this was a SArver move. If its Daniels waived or traded - I think we know SArver values the long game

Faried and Darrell Arthur to the Nets - Nuggets save a boat load of cash; Nets get more picks.

I am good with the Suns not using assets to dump Chandler and Dudley as I think the Suns are about a year behind the Nuggets, maybe two. So not necessary. But see what happens.

I do suspect that Milos ends up a sun either by trade or if he's cut this weekend. Makes sense with his serbian ties to Igor and he'd give them a good insurance policy is knight keeps being knight and stinks.

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I don't think Milos is a trade option since the Suns are capped out and I think the two scenarios that trade wise work are:
1) Milos for Daniels, Shaq &/or Reed
2) Milos and either Boban or Wes J for Chandler

My guess, the Suns have a 4.4m exception, Milos probably gets waived, Clippers send him with a 2.1m parting gift (like a game show contestant - bringing the big john popper on a Friday!) -- and the Suns use all or part of that exception to bring in Milos Teodosic. Suns would need to move out a player - I think Troy is traded but where at this point. Granted the Suns can keep 20 players on roster so nothing has to be done TODAY. But just by whatever the cut-off player deadline is

This is a reasonable scenario, but they don't have to move out a player to sign Teodesic, they could just cut Daniels.

[BobbieL]

I do suspect that Milos ends up a sun either by trade or if he's cut this weekend. Makes sense with his serbian ties to Igor and he'd give them a good insurance policy is knight keeps being knight and stinks.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

I don't think Milos is a trade option since the Suns are capped out and I think the two scenarios that trade wise work are:
1) Milos for Daniels, Shaq &/or Reed
2) Milos and either Boban or Wes J for Chandler

My guess, the Suns have a 4.4m exception, Milos probably gets waived, Clippers send him with a 2.1m parting gift (like a game show contestant - bringing the big john popper on a Friday!) -- and the Suns use all or part of that exception to bring in Milos Teodosic. Suns would need to move out a player - I think Troy is traded but where at this point. Granted the Suns can keep 20 players on roster so nothing has to be done TODAY. But just by whatever the cut-off player deadline is

This is a reasonable scenario, but they don't have to move out a player to sign Teodesic, they could just cut Daniels.

But I think there is a period of time that 20 players can be on the roster. Maybe in training camp. So the Suns can sign Teodosic for instance next week - IF he released. And see if a market for Daniels opens up. I am a bit concerned Sarver would be rash and feel like he needs to cut Reed before his guarantee kicks in. But lets hope Sarver is different now

[WeekapaugGroove]

Butler turning down the extension is interesting and might be a sign he's going to head back East next summer.

Really highlights how hard team building is in the NBA. I don't fault the Wolves for acquiring Butler; they had his old coach and some promising youngsters and were ready to try to make that push. But if he walks or they are forced to trade him at the deadline for pennies on the dollar it really sets them back especially with Wiggins sort of plateauing last year. It's a tough business and if you want to play the hindsight game they might have been better off with Markanan.

[bwgood77]

Butler turning down the extension is interesting and might be a sign he's going to head back East next summer.

Really highlights how hard team building is in the NBA. I don't fault the Wolves for acquiring Butler; they had his old coach and some promising youngsters and were ready to try to make that push. But if he walks or they are forced to trade him at the deadline for pennies on the dollar it really sets them back especially with Wiggins sort of plateauing last year. It's a tough business and if you want to play the hindsight game they might have been better off with Markanan.

Yeah, Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins, Markkanen and Towns may have been one of the worst defensive teams ever, but they may have been exciting.

Good news if he leaves is it depletes the west of one all star.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Butler turning down the extension is interesting and might be a sign he's going to head back East next summer.

Really highlights how hard team building is in the NBA. I don't fault the Wolves for acquiring Butler; they had his old coach and some promising youngsters and were ready to try to make that push. But if he walks or they are forced to trade him at the deadline for pennies on the dollar it really sets them back especially with Wiggins sort of plateauing last year. It's a tough business and if you want to play the hindsight game they might have been better off with Markanan.

Yeah, Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins, Markkanen and Towns may have been one of the worst defensive teams ever, but they may have been exciting.

Good news if he leaves is it depletes the west of one all star.

I'm pretty sure last years Suns team had the worst net team defensive rating ever measured so it would be some stiff competition.

Although Denver might be coming for that crown this season.

[Young gun 6]

See the 1 and done won’t come in until 2022

Great result for that trade of the Miami pick.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I guess I'll post this here since Ulis is a FA. Can't blame either him or book for the scuffle. Kind of funny that Booker rolled with the bandanna over his face.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/13/tyler-ulis-devin-booker-elevator-fight-phoenix-suns/

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

See the 1 and done won’t come in until 2022

Great result for that trade of the Miami pick.

hehehe

[Sreister]

See the 1 and done won’t come in until 2022

Great result for that trade of the Miami pick.

Sold it at it's highest value. Just the way you should do it!