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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
sunskerr wrote:bwgood77 wrote:mkot wrote:
Jalen Williams is not better than Book, he is bigger and stronger and more versatile defender than Book is but the gap in their offense is pretty big imo. JDub is their second shot maker and creator on that team but there's level to this. That said the Suns can't have two all-star, that's just the reality. And he hasn't been good.
Yeah, I think Book is better. It would have been more of a trade value thing, length, age, cost, control, versatility. If they were to be swapped, and I don't think OKC would trade Jalen for him, what would equal the value in trade.
If the Thunder owner was willing to pay lux tax, and I was the Thunder gm, Id think long and hard about parting with Jdub for Booker. Booker is an elite offensive talent, and you have to like his defensive pedigree when he played with a lot of other guys on team USA. Like you'd think coach might get more out of him on OKC when he plays with great players like Shai/Chet/Hart.
He'd instantly make them the best back court in the league as a second creator. And assuming OKC can keep some picks they'd still have enough to get cheap talent in the draft in the future while capped out.
For fantasy/dynasty Jdub obviously worth more but irl given the circumstances, maybe you can make a case that Booker is in an offensive tier Jdub never gets to.
Qwigglez wrote:bigfoot wrote:This team only needs another quality big man (PF/C) to shore up interior defense. Suns look so much better with Richards. Beal off the bench was a move we all thought was better in the offseason. FO needs to move Nurk and draft capital for a another big.
I know the Magic want some shooters, but I might be okay trading a 1st and Nurkic to get Goga Bitazde, if that moves the needle enough for them, or some sort of 3-team deal where Nurkic goes to the 3rd team.
I'd also be fine getting someone like Obi Toppin, though I think I prefer a center, someone a bit different than what we got, Kelly Olynyk is fine. Actually, I think Olynyk and Grayson off the bench would pack a punch (or a kick).
BobbieL wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Isbhia reads this and is like - just do whatever - move all the picks, even Dunn, even Allen - whatever it takes, get Jimmy Butler!
Where in fact, being serious - upgrades to C and PF probably do more for the team, keeping Beal off the bench, balancing out the roster.
Slim Charless wrote:Qwigglez wrote:bigfoot wrote:This team only needs another quality big man (PF/C) to shore up interior defense. Suns look so much better with Richards. Beal off the bench was a move we all thought was better in the offseason. FO needs to move Nurk and draft capital for a another big.
I know the Magic want some shooters, but I might be okay trading a 1st and Nurkic to get Goga Bitazde, if that moves the needle enough for them, or some sort of 3-team deal where Nurkic goes to the 3rd team.
I'd also be fine getting someone like Obi Toppin, though I think I prefer a center, someone a bit different than what we got, Kelly Olynyk is fine. Actually, I think Olynyk and Grayson off the bench would pack a punch (or a kick).BobbieL wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Isbhia reads this and is like - just do whatever - move all the picks, even Dunn, even Allen - whatever it takes, get Jimmy Butler!
Where in fact, being serious - upgrades to C and PF probably do more for the team, keeping Beal off the bench, balancing out the roster.
Speaking of trades and quality big men. Would anyone object to a Beal for Embiid trade in the summer? Obviously we'd need to kick in all 3 of our picks and maybe Dunn to make up the difference but salary wise that works.
Would Philly do it? Would Beal?I know Ishbia would as it gets him yet another star here. I would MUCH rather roll the dice on a 30yr old Embiid then paying the same amout for the privilege of maxing a 37 yr old Jimmy Butler....
bigfoot wrote:Moving Grayson would be a bad idea this season. He is shooting .435 for threes. In January he shot .530 from three. If you are truly trying to compete, you don't give up a sharpshooter in a league that is based on three point shooting. When the Suns blow it up in a year or two, he would be worth a first round pick and a couple seconds.
sunskerr wrote:sunsbum wrote:sunskerr wrote:
If the Thunder owner was willing to pay lux tax, and I was the Thunder gm, Id think long and hard about parting with Jdub for Booker. Booker is an elite offensive talent, and you have to like his defensive pedigree when he played with a lot of other guys on team USA. Like you'd think coach might get more out of him on OKC when he plays with great players like Shai/Chet/Hart.
He'd instantly make them the best back court in the league as a second creator. And assuming OKC can keep some picks they'd still have enough to get cheap talent in the draft in the future while capped out.
For fantasy/dynasty Jdub obviously worth more but irl given the circumstances, maybe you can make a case that Booker is in an offensive tier Jdub never gets to.
KD and or Book are not getting traded. Once again, Ishbia makes a WNBA trade for another “star”. This is like 2 in 2 weeks. Dude has zero interest in building a basketball team from the inside out.
I'm evaluating it from a possible Thunder standpoint, not Ishbia. We already know Ish ain't doing anything like that. It's a given at this point.
bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Qwigglez wrote:
I know the Magic want some shooters, but I might be okay trading a 1st and Nurkic to get Goga Bitazde, if that moves the needle enough for them, or some sort of 3-team deal where Nurkic goes to the 3rd team.
I'd also be fine getting someone like Obi Toppin, though I think I prefer a center, someone a bit different than what we got, Kelly Olynyk is fine. Actually, I think Olynyk and Grayson off the bench would pack a punch (or a kick).BobbieL wrote:
Isbhia reads this and is like - just do whatever - move all the picks, even Dunn, even Allen - whatever it takes, get Jimmy Butler!
Where in fact, being serious - upgrades to C and PF probably do more for the team, keeping Beal off the bench, balancing out the roster.
Speaking of trades and quality big men. Would anyone object to a Beal for Embiid trade in the summer? Obviously we'd need to kick in all 3 of our picks and maybe Dunn to make up the difference but salary wise that works.
Would Philly do it? Would Beal?I know Ishbia would as it gets him yet another star here. I would MUCH rather roll the dice on a 30yr old Embiid then paying the same amout for the privilege of maxing a 37 yr old Jimmy Butler....
I assume you are listening to that tread value pod? Because I am and they JUST mentioned that briefly around the 55-56 minute mark. I don't think Philly would and if they would, that would probably mean they know something that should deter us from them. After this year Embiid makes 55/60/65/70 and never plays. He can't really move very well any more.
I haven't even seen him play though, but I don't know enough. I mean we are screwed anyway and if people don't think Beal makes us much better, and since we are screwed for years regardless after the next two or so, we could hope he gets a lot better for a year next year or something and we could win a championship. Ishbia would do it for sure.
Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
Speaking of trades and quality big men. Would anyone object to a Beal for Embiid trade in the summer? Obviously we'd need to kick in all 3 of our picks and maybe Dunn to make up the difference but salary wise that works.
Would Philly do it? Would Beal?I know Ishbia would as it gets him yet another star here. I would MUCH rather roll the dice on a 30yr old Embiid then paying the same amout for the privilege of maxing a 37 yr old Jimmy Butler....
I assume you are listening to that tread value pod? Because I am and they JUST mentioned that briefly around the 55-56 minute mark. I don't think Philly would and if they would, that would probably mean they know something that should deter us from them. After this year Embiid makes 55/60/65/70 and never plays. He can't really move very well any more.
I haven't even seen him play though, but I don't know enough. I mean we are screwed anyway and if people don't think Beal makes us much better, and since we are screwed for years regardless after the next two or so, we could hope he gets a lot better for a year next year or something and we could win a championship. Ishbia would do it for sure.
I mean, that's a gamble worth taking. Even for Dunn and all the picks.
***IF*** Ishbia wants to continue down this foolishly scorched earth plan of his with our team, at least do it on a younger player-who has won an MVP. As for PG, we could sign Lonzo or Fultz I guess.....to make a true "All Injury Team" in the valley.
We'd have a b/u center ready in Nick for the MANY missed games Embiid will have as well. Would need to get rid of Nurk somehow and without our picks to bribe someone, we would have to trade him for another team's probably even crappier deal.
Philly probably doesn't do it but I guess if Embiid asked out and to come here, they'd make the move. FTR.....Biid, Booker and KD all played on that US gold medal team, so there's that.
sashaturiaf wrote:I'm guessing Jazz will buyout PJ Tucker.
Does the 2nd apron allow us to pick him up? He's old but brings that physicality we need and hes also KDs guy, much rather have him on the roster over Damion Lee
The Suns are allowed to sign any player who was making below the mid-level exception before being bought out. PJ Tucker meets this criteria.
bwgood77 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
I assume you are listening to that tread value pod? Because I am and they JUST mentioned that briefly around the 55-56 minute mark. I don't think Philly would and if they would, that would probably mean they know something that should deter us from them. After this year Embiid makes 55/60/65/70 and never plays. He can't really move very well any more.
I haven't even seen him play though, but I don't know enough. I mean we are screwed anyway and if people don't think Beal makes us much better, and since we are screwed for years regardless after the next two or so, we could hope he gets a lot better for a year next year or something and we could win a championship. Ishbia would do it for sure.
I mean, that's a gamble worth taking. Even for Dunn and all the picks.
***IF*** Ishbia wants to continue down this foolishly scorched earth plan of his with our team, at least do it on a younger player-who has won an MVP. As for PG, we could sign Lonzo or Fultz I guess.....to make a true "All Injury Team" in the valley.
We'd have a b/u center ready in Nick for the MANY missed games Embiid will have as well. Would need to get rid of Nurk somehow and without our picks to bribe someone, we would have to trade him for another team's probably even crappier deal.
Philly probably doesn't do it but I guess if Embiid asked out and to come here, they'd make the move. FTR.....Biid, Booker and KD all played on that US gold medal team, so there's that.
Well it's not gonna happen. They wouldn't trade him for Beal. The only way they would consider it is if they knew there was some medical issue that meant he would likely be unable to play at all for much longer.
He makes $70 million in 5 years. I do think if we traded all the picks, Dunn and Beal for him though, that the chances go up that we would blow it up in a year and trade KD and Book for picks though.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
But would this really even make sense with Tucker at his age and not playing for a long time now?
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
But would this really even make sense with Tucker at his age and not playing for a long time now?
