2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[bwgood77]

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This is how I feel as well. Galloway always played his role well whenever he got minutes.

I’d really like them to bring him back.

With Shamet and Elfrid on board Galloway doesn't make sense for the team this season.

Randle signed an Exhibit 9 contract, fully non-guaranteed and with few insurances so he probably will not be on the final official roster.

I think that we will have an open roster spot at the start of the season waiting for some solid 3/4 available later via FA or trade.

Yeah, we can use that spot on someone better. No reason to bring him back if he wasn't worth playing anyway. And we have a better backup SG.

[bwoolf2]

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This is how I feel as well. Galloway always played his role well whenever he got minutes.

I’d really like them to bring him back.

With Shamet and Elfrid on board Galloway doesn't make sense for the team this season.

Randle signed an Exhibit 9 contract, fully non-guaranteed and with few insurances so he probably will not be on the final official roster.

I think that we will have an open roster spot at the start of the season waiting for some solid 3/4 available later via FA or trade.

I would rather add another big as the 15th guy personally I think we are good with Paul, payne, Payton, Book, Shamet, Nadar

[sunsbg]

They can add me as the 15th guy and it would be the same result.

[Ghost of Kleine]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
What does the future look like if Phoenix:

- Give Ayton a 5 year max.
- Give Bridges 4/100.
- Give Johnson 4/80.
- Give Booker a super max. https://t.co/DiccqRLZ95

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See, even with those, we only have the tax in 22-23, even with options...just take off the other cap holds and find cheaper guys. Guaranteed plus options is actually way under the tax most years so we could exercise some of them.

Yeah! I think a lot of people in the media, Twitter, etc. Forget or overlook the aspect of Paul's declining contract value/ partial guarantees. IF Jones is Smart with Aytons' and Bridges extension structuring, We'll be fine outside of that singular season of tax payments.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
John Hollinger’s Expected Extension Value (EEV) for top 14 picks of the 2018 draft. Includes deals already signed (Doncic, Young, SGA, Porter).

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[Bogyo]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
What does the future look like if Phoenix:

- Give Ayton a 5 year max.
- Give Bridges 4/100.
- Give Johnson 4/80.
- Give Booker a super max. https://t.co/DiccqRLZ95

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See, even with those, we only have the tax in 22-23, even with options...just take off the other cap holds and find cheaper guys. Guaranteed plus options is actually way under the tax most years so we could exercise some of them.

Yeah! I think a lot of people in the media, Twitter, etc. Forget or overlook the aspect of Paul's declining contract value/ partial guarantees. IF Jones is Smart with Aytons' and Bridges extension structuring, We'll be fine outside of that singular season of tax payments.

Yeah. Some of us as well. I truly believe that we are very unlikely to have Paul on our team beyond this year and next. This is our 2 year window, after our better than expected run last year. By then we will not have Crowder and Saric (other big contracts), Chandler and Smith either if we do not resign him.

[bwgood77]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
John Hollinger’s Expected Extension Value (EEV) for top 14 picks of the 2018 draft. Includes deals already signed (Doncic, Young, SGA, Porter).

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Pretty high for Bridges but goes to show that a lot of the analysts seem to place a lot more value on him.

[lilfishi22]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
John Hollinger’s Expected Extension Value (EEV) for top 14 picks of the 2018 draft. Includes deals already signed (Doncic, Young, SGA, Porter).

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Pretty high for Bridges but goes to show that a lot of the analysts seem to place a lot more value on him.

Don't have access to the full Athletic article so I had to use this summary

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/hollinger-ayton-worth-max-bridges-shamet-worth-a-lot-more-than-you-think/ar-AAPhnBa

How much is that type of player (elite 3 and D) worth, both to Phoenix and on the open market? My numbers say he might be more valuable to the Suns than to, say, a rival team with cap space that still needs an offensive focal point. As a result, that could dampen his perceived value below the near-max EEV number above. In reality, I don’t see him getting $30 million a year, because I don’t see the rival team out there willing to go to that number in the future. But I do think he’s a slam-dunk at $20 million, particularly on this roster, and could probably get $100 million next summer with another good season.

This was my point before about other teams throwing out potential max/near max at Mikal. If a team had $30m in space, wouldn't they use it on a player with higher offensive upside/talent right now?

[bwgood77]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
John Hollinger’s Expected Extension Value (EEV) for top 14 picks of the 2018 draft. Includes deals already signed (Doncic, Young, SGA, Porter).

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Pretty high for Bridges but goes to show that a lot of the analysts seem to place a lot more value on him.

Don't have access to the full Athletic article so I had to use this summary

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/hollinger-ayton-worth-max-bridges-shamet-worth-a-lot-more-than-you-think/ar-AAPhnBa

How much is that type of player (elite 3 and D) worth, both to Phoenix and on the open market? My numbers say he might be more valuable to the Suns than to, say, a rival team with cap space that still needs an offensive focal point. As a result, that could dampen his perceived value below the near-max EEV number above. In reality, I don’t see him getting $30 million a year, because I don’t see the rival team out there willing to go to that number in the future. But I do think he’s a slam-dunk at $20 million, particularly on this roster, and could probably get $100 million next summer with another good season.

This was my point before about other teams throwing out potential max/near max at Mikal. If a team had $30m in space, wouldn't they use it on a player with higher offensive upside/talent right now?

Yeah, I think he's right with his point. He could get $25 million a year offer next year. He thinks he's definitely worth $20. That's about what I think. I always said about 4/$95 but I'd be fine going higher. Not my money. Seems most think he's worth $25 a year or close.

[bigfoot]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

The only reason to trade Saric is to clear his money off our books. No need for him if we can convince McGee to stick around after this season. Even if we can't, it's pretty obvious that it's his skillset - and not Saric's - that we need.

[bwoolf2]

If anyone is looking for a good laugh, I mean I get it he is a Mavs writer but... https://www-mavsmoneyball-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2021/10/11/22703367/contender-comparison-dallas-mavericks-vs-phoenix-suns?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16339671035796&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mavsmoneyball.com%2F2021%2F10%2F11%2F22703367%2Fcontender-comparison-dallas-mavericks-vs-phoenix-suns

[Slim Charless]

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Nice.

Prediction:
Ayton $150M/5 years.
Bridges $90M/4 years.

My prediction:
Ayton: Max with the Super Max options
Mikal: a bit higher 94/4 - Gordon got I think 92/4

and finally, even though they talk about him positively , meaning Dario - to clear some cap for next summer, lux tax wise, the Thad Young for Saric/Smith trade WILL be completed. Suns add a 2nd rounder

I really hope not. If we HAVE to trade for another 4 (even though we have one we took top 10 last year) I'd like us to see what Memphis wants for Kyle Anderson.

[Slim Charless]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
John Hollinger’s Expected Extension Value (EEV) for top 14 picks of the 2018 draft. Includes deals already signed (Doncic, Young, SGA, Porter).

Via @DaveKingNBA and @BrightSideSun https://t.co/BeURjuW7ge

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Looking at those numbers, it makes me happy we're not Memphis as JJJ will be getting way, way wayyyyyyy more than 15.2 a yr.....

[bwgood77]

If there is a Bridges hold up, I'm guessing now it will be more like 4/$100 or possibly up to 4/$110. Lowest cost in first year for him and Ayton will help with that one tax year.

But we could be holding at 4/$80 saying it's more than OG and he wants 4/$100 and we meet more at what I originally said 4/$95.

[lilfishi22]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

The question is can we do better than Frank, Hutch, Randle and Payton by trading Saric who will be zero value this year and who knows what he'll look like next season. I don't know what the market is for the guy but I'd imagine we could probably get at least a depth piece (maybe 8th/9th man).

He's going to have no value to us this season and you could argue this season is the most important one since it'll get harder to keep a championship roster together and to build on it as the big salaries hit the books.

[suns12345]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

The question is can we do better than Frank, Hutch, Randle and Payton by trading Saric who will be zero value this year and who knows what he'll look like next season. I don't know what the market is for the guy but I'd imagine we could probably get at least a depth piece (maybe 8th/9th man).

He's going to have no value to us this season and you could argue this season is the most important one since it'll get harder to keep a championship roster together and to build on it as the big salaries hit the books.

Why would anyone give up anything decent for Saric though? he's dead weight this year...

[bwgood77]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

The question is can we do better than Frank, Hutch, Randle and Payton by trading Saric who will be zero value this year and who knows what he'll look like next season. I don't know what the market is for the guy but I'd imagine we could probably get at least a depth piece (maybe 8th/9th man).

He's going to have no value to us this season and you could argue this season is the most important one since it'll get harder to keep a championship roster together and to build on it as the big salaries hit the books.

We have a 9 man rotation not even including Nader and Smith. Nader can play spot minutes if Bridges/Johnson/Crowder don't take up all 96 minutes of 3/4, though Monty even talked about Booker at the 3 (with Shamet and CP3).

But a 9 man rotation is right with a guy like Nader to play if needed. Smith will probably improve throughout the season and be ready for some minutes here and there by around mid season.

[lilfishi22]

Watching these preseason games it really doesn't make sense to make a trade that moves Saric. Minutes are going to be hard to come by for any trade we make unless it is a big-time starter to replace Crowder or the Suns have a bad injury.

CP3, Payne
Booker, Shamet, Nader
Bridges, Johnson, Nader
Crowder, Johnson, Smith
Ayton, McGee, Smith

That's where all the minutes are going ... Frank, Hutchinson, Randle, Payton will get mop-up duty. Smith and Nader might get some burn at times.

The question is can we do better than Frank, Hutch, Randle and Payton by trading Saric who will be zero value this year and who knows what he'll look like next season. I don't know what the market is for the guy but I'd imagine we could probably get at least a depth piece (maybe 8th/9th man).

He's going to have no value to us this season and you could argue this season is the most important one since it'll get harder to keep a championship roster together and to build on it as the big salaries hit the books.

Why would anyone give up anything decent for Saric though? he's dead weight this year...

It'll have to be packaged with other assets like a pick or a player.

Having deadweight on a title contender could be more than just wasteful, it could be a real missed opportunity. I'd imagine we'll be working with the teams at the bottom of the league who are still looking to build and gather assets.

[bwgood77]

The question is can we do better than Frank, Hutch, Randle and Payton by trading Saric who will be zero value this year and who knows what he'll look like next season. I don't know what the market is for the guy but I'd imagine we could probably get at least a depth piece (maybe 8th/9th man).

He's going to have no value to us this season and you could argue this season is the most important one since it'll get harder to keep a championship roster together and to build on it as the big salaries hit the books.

Why would anyone give up anything decent for Saric though? he's dead weight this year...

It'll have to be packaged with other assets like a pick or a player.

Having deadweight on a title contender could be more than just wasteful, it could be a real missed opportunity. I'd imagine we'll be working with the teams at the bottom of the league who are still looking to build and gather assets.

I guess you haven't seen Monty talk about Saric and how he is the heart of the team, etc. Highly highly doubtful Suns will trade him.