The Boogie Watch

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I am convinced that Len is not getting $15 mill per. 10-12 tops.

Agreed - but you add that to Knight, that is 26m or close to it and not getting the value

One guy like Boogie - if can keep him in line - combined with a Tyler Ulis and role player or two - much better team than Len, Knight and those two role players.

Get it done! I have seen enough of this iteration

Yeah, Len is playing his way into a modern mid-level contract. He's a useful rim protector in a league without very many such players, but he's clearly limited in terms of what he can do for you - especially on offense. It's still my impression that every team needs a player like him - it's just that teams won't necessarily need such a player for more than 15-20 MPG, depending on talent level.

Unless we really are targeting Boogs, I expect we're looking to develop Dragan as our backup 5. McD is confident we can keep both Len and Tyson, and we can. The question is, should we? Keeping Tyson, you get the veteran leadership and stable center play. Keeping Alex, you get a long-term useful rotation big for use primarily to defend the league's up-and-coming centers - Embiid, KAT... neither Alex nor Tyson has shown any ability to defend Rudy or Nikola, however.

Whomever we keep might be just a placeholder. Hence, either should be available in the right deal.

[BobbieL]

I am convinced that Len is not getting $15 mill per. 10-12 tops.

Agreed - but you add that to Knight, that is 26m or close to it and not getting the value

One guy like Boogie - if can keep him in line - combined with a Tyler Ulis and role player or two - much better team than Len, Knight and those two role players.

Get it done! I have seen enough of this iteration

Yeah, Len is playing his way into a modern mid-level contract. He's a useful rim protector in a league without very many such players, but he's clearly limited in terms of what he can do for you - especially on offense. It's still my impression that every team needs a player like him - it's just that teams won't necessarily need such a player for more than 15-20 MPG, depending on talent level.

Unless we really are targeting Boogs, I expect we're looking to develop Dragan as our backup 5. McD is confident we can keep both Len and Tyson, and we can. The question is, should we? Keeping Tyson, you get the veteran leadership and stable center play. Keeping Alex, you get a long-term useful rotation big for use primarily to defend the league's up-and-coming centers - Embiid, KAT... neither Alex nor Tyson has shown any ability to defend Rudy or Nikola, however.

Whomever we keep might be just a placeholder. Hence, either should be available in the right deal.

It is an interesting decision of how you spend you money. But in the NBA ---its as quality over quantity. MLB and NFL - of course you need marquee players. But in the NBA, have those one or two super stars, along with a couple all star or close to it players, with a strong core, works.

Len and Chandler have value - but you can't overspend in the NBA for "has value.' You overspend for the super star. Not saying Boogie is. Just saying Boogie might be a guy that gets you over the hump. I don't see - unless that top 3 pick is kept and they really blosson, Len and Chandler will get you there.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Agreed - but you add that to Knight, that is 26m or close to it and not getting the value

One guy like Boogie - if can keep him in line - combined with a Tyler Ulis and role player or two - much better team than Len, Knight and those two role players.

Get it done! I have seen enough of this iteration

Yeah, Len is playing his way into a modern mid-level contract. He's a useful rim protector in a league without very many such players, but he's clearly limited in terms of what he can do for you - especially on offense. It's still my impression that every team needs a player like him - it's just that teams won't necessarily need such a player for more than 15-20 MPG, depending on talent level.

Unless we really are targeting Boogs, I expect we're looking to develop Dragan as our backup 5. McD is confident we can keep both Len and Tyson, and we can. The question is, should we? Keeping Tyson, you get the veteran leadership and stable center play. Keeping Alex, you get a long-term useful rotation big for use primarily to defend the league's up-and-coming centers - Embiid, KAT... neither Alex nor Tyson has shown any ability to defend Rudy or Nikola, however.

Whomever we keep might be just a placeholder. Hence, either should be available in the right deal.

It is an interesting decision of how you spend you money. But in the NBA ---its as quality over quantity. MLB and NFL - of course you need marquee players. But in the NBA, have those one or two super stars, along with a couple all star or close to it players, with a strong core, works.

Len and Chandler have value - but you can't overspend in the NBA for "has value.' You overspend for the super star. Not saying Boogie is. Just saying Boogie might be a guy that gets you over the hump. I don't see - unless that top 3 pick is kept and they really blosson, Len and Chandler will get you there.

You always need to create and preserve value. If you "overspend", you have a contract that does not have value. It's possible that Len gets a RFA offer that is arguably negative (if the lone team willing to pay it is a market outlier). But at $10-$12, his contract would possess value. If we needed to spend that money elsewhere, we could trade him. The Bucks were just able to deal Plumlee's albatross for nothing but cap relief - essentially a zero or near-zero value contract. Len's better. How much better? That part's still coming into focus.

[Qwigglez]

Didn't get a chance to read the entire article, but seems juicy.
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents2/is-demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-real-problem

[ShawnBronald]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1017064/vlade-divac-told-demarcus-cousins-wont-be-traded-suns/

[OGBAH]

Boogie doesn't sign his extension and Gay opts in this summer he'll be traded

[jcsunsfan]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1017064/vlade-divac-told-demarcus-cousins-wont-be-traded-suns/

This actually makes a lot of sense. Sac is a lot of talk and no action. If the conversations with McD and Divac have been going on, it would only makes sense that McD threw that trade offer Divac's way. Can't fault a guy for trying.

Sac is like that guy who negotiates all day to buy a car, and then when the deal seems right, he walks away having had his fun.

[LukasBMW]

Earlier in the year, the Kings were playing well and Boogie was happy. But if they miss the playoffs and Boogie has a few more "episodes" then I wouldn't be shocked to see the Kings look at offers on draft day for him.

[HootieRules]

accepting the fact that 50% of this posting base has evacuated to higher ground, many of you guys have a very myopic look when it comes to this team. Y'all pretty much loathe Brandon Knight, but feel that it's OK to trade him and Len for Cousins.... Len, who can also walk next yr, and BK.... as if that would really work. Let's get rid of our trash and take some ones treasure. Yes, we have some young talent, but it's not like Tony Buckets is the next Bernard King, Booker is Ray Allen, Bender is AK, and Chriss Stat......
take them ( ) off please

I wish I could pull up posts back when the franchise traded the LA pick for Knight. It's amazing how the rinse/repeat cycle keeps going with players going from a future all-star to a bum. Keep circling the drain, Suns fans.

[Villalobos]

Thank god this board's got some real genius Captain Hindsights like you and Frank to tell everyone what idiots they are. Dunno what everyone would do without yall.

[Frank Lee]

And yet, sometimes we don't have to say anything.

I believe if you would go back, the knight acquisition had a mixed bag of the standard hopefuls and wtfs. Myag and I had a spirited debate about his worth, that when reviewed would surely warrant my promotion to Colonel Hindsight. At ease soldier.

[bwgood77]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18701697/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-says-intends-sign-extension-team

[lilfishi22]

It makes sense for him to sign that extension. Makes trading for him a little more difficult money-wise but the team trading for him knows he's locked up rather than just a rental.

"I'm a guy that's all about loyalty and honesty," he said. "It's hard, but at the end of the day you gotta remember that this is a business. Your expectations can't be too high when it comes to trust and loyalty. I realize that. I know it's a business. At the end of the day I'm not always shocked. It still catches me off guard sometimes, but I'm not shocked."

Whom does he trust?

"I trust my circle. My family, my friends. [Former Kentucky teammates] John Wall and Eric Bledsoe," he said. "[Trust] is hard to come by. It's a rare quality these days. You're not going to find a lot of loyal people. These days it's all about self. When you can find those people are all about the next person and showing love no matter what the next situation is, you gotta keep them close."

Based on this, it doesn't sound like he's married to the idea of sticking with the Kings long term. The signing is just a money/security thing. He's all about trust and loyalty but from what he's said, it doesn't sound like the trust and loyalty has been consistently reciprocated from the King's end.

[LukasBMW]

It sure seems like he's staying put. But then again...this is the Kings we're talking about. If anyone can screw it up...it's them.

I think in either way...we win.

If things go south in the next 4 months, maybe we trade for him on draft day.

If he resigns, we can extort the hell out of the Kings for Bledsoe. I mean we can probably bend them over and really ram it up in there. I'm talking their lottery pick this year, WCS, and a future pick.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Boogies not going anywhere. Ive been saying it for a while and believe it even more now.

Time to start thinking of other targets.

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[bhawk]

Watching Boogie... he is NOT giving 100% every night. That sucks. Could it be that he is purposely tanking to get to the Suns in the off-season? Hmmm.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244951/Report-Vivek-Ranadive-Remains-Uncertain-About-DeMarcus-Cousins-Supermax

[MrMiyagi]

And yet, sometimes we don't have to say anything.

I believe if you would go back, the knight acquisition had a mixed bag of the standard hopefuls and wtfs. Myag and I had a spirited debate about his worth, that when reviewed would surely warrant my promotion to Colonel Hindsight. At ease soldier.

But you'll always be General Sourpuss

[AZWildByNature]

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And we are off...

[kennydorglas]

Hield + picks for Boogie?
Can we join this party?

[TASTIC]

Hield + picks for Boogie?
Can we join this party?

That's not a party. If all it takes is Hield + picks then the Pels must have roofied Vlade.

McD - this needs to be his 'crowning glory' as a GM.

Send out the lot/make it all available outside of Booker and Bledsoe.

Knight, Len, Warren, Suns 2017 1st, MIA 2018 1st, MIA 2021 1st
for
Boogie, Casspi.

Even with him we'd be missing the playoffs this year, so flip PJ to the Wiz or Celts for a late 1st, call it a day.