Sarver ESPN story

[bwgood77]

He gave him the highest fine but he could he have banned him for longer. Stirling got a lifetime ban.

Now I do agree with the notion he probably didn't have the votes to oust him, owners are very leery to set that presidence.

But I'm not sure he anticipated this much push back from players, media, fans. This is a **** strom that's not going away.

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Honestly if it was a 3 year suspension or whatever, I wouldn't be surprised if people were just as upset. I think they basically wanted him to be forced to sell.

Sure but longer the suspension the higher likelihood he actually would sell. What use is having a toy you can't play with?

I don't think things will be right with this franchise until he sells. If he digs his heels in and comes back next year this franchise is toast. Like royally ****.

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Well he's been around a long time and we have just had two of our best seasons ever. This news and his treatment of stuff hung over their head the entire season. Do you think that stuff suddenly impacted them in the Dallas series or something?

I mean, we were royally toast for a decade before the last two years. I think with Jones and Monty players would want to play here....and this stuff always seems to be huge news for a few weeks and then it fades. This keeps popping up again when something happens but then fades again. After the big report on espn with all sorts of quotes, etc, and then a reported investigation all season we had our best regular season ever.

When it comes to free agents, I think for the most part players will go where the money is at unless they are forming some super team. Heck we just had KD say he wanted to come to Phx...we were basically the only team, and this news was already all out there already....and Sarver was still working.

I'd prefer him be gone just because he's a jackass, extremeley inappropriate, an ahole, racist, sexist, misogynistic and I think he's pretty cheap, so I assume anyone would probably be better. And anyone who can buy a team now probably has deeper pockets. If it's minority stake owners taking over they probably don't have real deep pockets but of course I'd prefer to Sarver.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Honestly if it was a 3 year suspension or whatever, I wouldn't be surprised if people were just as upset. I think they basically wanted him to be forced to sell.

Sure but longer the suspension the higher likelihood he actually would sell. What use is having a toy you can't play with?

I don't think things will be right with this franchise until he sells. If he digs his heels in and comes back next year this franchise is toast. Like royally ****.

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Well he's been around a long time and we have just had two of our best seasons ever. This news and his treatment of stuff hung over their head the entire season. Do you think that stuff suddenly impacted them in the Dallas series or something?

I mean, we were royally toast for a decade before the last two years. I think with Jones and Monty players would want to play here....and this stuff always seems to be huge news for a few weeks and then it fades. This keeps popping up again when something happens but then fades again. After the big report on espn with all sorts of quotes, etc, and then a reported investigation all season we had our best regular season ever.

When it comes to free agents, I think for the most part players will go where the money is at unless they are forming some super team. Heck we just had KD say he wanted to come to Phx...we were basically the only team, and this news was already all out there already....and Sarver was still working.

I'd prefer him be gone just because he's a jackass, extremeley inappropriate, an ahole, racist, sexist, misogynistic and I think he's pretty cheap, so I assume anyone would probably be better. And anyone who can buy a team now probably has deeper pockets. If it's minority stake owners taking over they probably don't have real deep pockets but of course I'd prefer to Sarver.

I think he's hindered them for years. It will only get worse moving forward.

I thought the players did an admirable job blocking it out last year but it's only getting worse on the front too, tons more questions from media. I'm curious how Monty and Jones address this and find it a bit curious we haven't heard anything from them yet.

Not to be a Debbie downer but this is a bad and sad situation for the franchise.

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[bigfoot]

Nice ‘passive’ jab hoot. Throw a blanket of self righteousness over us all.

It’s clear, Sarver is this site’s Trump. People have been wanting him gone for years… and now when it looked like there was a chance, he dodged a haymaker. Booos from the crowd. And the irony is we went to the finals and set a win record. Damn him.

And btw, what’s going on in Cuban/Mav land deserves as much or more attention as there are actual assault allegations and a ‘go away and be quiet’ payoff was tendered. Sarver is just a pompous, arrogant dick, pain and simple. The guy didn’t think he was doing anything wrong. He’s going to have to to change his mind about that.

Oops, there I go again…. Where’s my mirror?

It's definitely eye rolling material to watch all the unprincipled takes from players and fans alike. Oh ya you're so OUTRAGED while still cashing checks from the team or buying tickets/apparel. Nevermind the fact a guy like Lebron has built a merch empire on the backs of laborers working in places known for some of the WORST human rights violations in the world. Dude is always looking to take virtue shots at the low hanging fruit when he can like the ones at ol' Bobby today.

Sarver was clearly a misogynistic frat boy-esque douche for a long time, but racist? Stop, it's depleting brain cells trying to claim anything he said was racially charged. Doesn't even matter to me if he's here or not - clearly a lot of fans lose sleep over it. They've been foaming at the mouth to get rid of him so that this magical, hypothetical new unicorn owner can come in and spend insanely while driving up ticket prices. They're never going to let go of his prior roster/FO mishandlings.

A full year suspension is a long time away from the team he clearly loves. $10 million is a lot of money. Do people forget about redemption arcs or is it always OFF WITH HIS HEAD? All I know is this franchise/fanbase is back to being toxic again. Man that didn't take long.

There's been a laundry list of former players, executives, employees that spoke out long before hypocrites like LeBron started piling on in the last 48 hours when it became convenient. Matt Barnes, Amare Stoudemire, Amin Elhassan, Earl Watson, Jamal Crawford, Corliss Williamson, the list goes on - all spoke to Sarver's behavior before Adam Silver claimed in his press conference he was even aware. And that's just the players with a platform. Props to the employees who can't dribble and dunk who stuck their necks and careers out to speak out against this guy. Get outta here acting like this is some sort of witch hunt because he sold some draft picks 15 years ago and people have an axe to grind. It runs way, way deeper than that.

"These [N-words] need a [N-word]," Sarver said explaining to a staffer why he preferred hiring Lindsey Hunter over Dan Majerle as head coach in 2013. Sure, not a racist

Directly from the NBA report ...

Uncredited Report of N-word Use: Head Coach Hiring

The investigation did not substantiate ESPN’s report, attributed to “a
high-level executive who heard the remark,” that “Sarver once used the N-word
when trying to explain to a staffer why he preferred hiring [a Black head coach]” in
2013, allegedly saying, “‘These [N-words] need a [N-word].’”

The investigators did not identify anyone who heard this remark or heard
Sarver say that the head coach’s hiring was motivated by race. The investigators
interviewed every current or former Suns executive who the investigation suggested
might have been involved in the head coach’s hiring, and many others who might
have had knowledge of the decision. None of these witnesses—even those who
corroborated other accounts of Sarver purporting to repeat the N-word—said Sarver
made the quoted remark.

After all Kyrie Irving said the earth is flat ... so it must be true.

[oddity]

YES, Sarver hurt people. Demoting pregnant women, sexually assaulting athletic trainers, and threatening whistleblowers is absolutely hurting people. How can anyone defend this man? This is not a standalone private business - this is a league, and without the infrastructure of the NBA there would be no Suns to begin with, let alone an organization set to grow more over Sarver's ban than what he's being "fined" by the NBA for right now. What a joke. There are 30 spots in this prestigious and lucrative league and it is his PRIVILEGE to be a part of it. The fact that every single Suns fan isn't outraged this asshat still owns OUR team is a **** farce.

[bwgood77]

Sure but longer the suspension the higher likelihood he actually would sell. What use is having a toy you can't play with?

I don't think things will be right with this franchise until he sells. If he digs his heels in and comes back next year this franchise is toast. Like royally ****.

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Well he's been around a long time and we have just had two of our best seasons ever. This news and his treatment of stuff hung over their head the entire season. Do you think that stuff suddenly impacted them in the Dallas series or something?

I mean, we were royally toast for a decade before the last two years. I think with Jones and Monty players would want to play here....and this stuff always seems to be huge news for a few weeks and then it fades. This keeps popping up again when something happens but then fades again. After the big report on espn with all sorts of quotes, etc, and then a reported investigation all season we had our best regular season ever.

When it comes to free agents, I think for the most part players will go where the money is at unless they are forming some super team. Heck we just had KD say he wanted to come to Phx...we were basically the only team, and this news was already all out there already....and Sarver was still working.

I'd prefer him be gone just because he's a jackass, extremeley inappropriate, an ahole, racist, sexist, misogynistic and I think he's pretty cheap, so I assume anyone would probably be better. And anyone who can buy a team now probably has deeper pockets. If it's minority stake owners taking over they probably don't have real deep pockets but of course I'd prefer to Sarver.

I think he's hindered them for years. It will only get worse moving forward.

I thought the players did an admirable job blocking it out last year but it's only getting worse on the front too, tons more questions from media. I'm curious how Monty and Jones address this and find it a bit curious we haven't heard anything from them yet.

Not to be a Debbie downer but this is a bad and sad situation for the franchise.

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Sure, but we've known about it for over a year. I think most of us wanted him gone but I am not sure most of us expected it. I didn't really expect it. I think he has hurt the franchise a lot and sometimes he has lucked into good situations...bought them the offseason Nash decided to sign here and got a break when Paul wanted to come here.

I think Sarver created a bad culture in the business workplace and it used to be bad around the team, but I think James Jones and Monty have transformed the basketball and team atmosphere. I don't think it's negative at all...if anything it's pretty positive outside of he very sour taste everyone has because of the awful playoff loss.

I think the view of playing for the Suns was horrid like 3 years ago. We were a laughing stock. People knew about Sarver (for the most part) but people hated playing in Phx too....wanted out,, hated the coach, we were laughable.

That's about as bad as it can get. I don't know if you follow closely but one season we started the season with a 48 pt loss and after another loss we lost by 42 to start 0-3. Bledsoe wanted out. This was with a backcourt of Bledsoe and Booker with TJ Warren, and a then solid starting C in Tyson Chandler and a guy many thought was the best player in the draft (Josh Jackson).

That was only like 4 years ago...year ending in summer of 18...then we were worse the next year.


Anyway, I try to choose to be an optimist for the season even though that doesn't mean I think we will win the championship or be the best team. Even though I think we've kind of worked our way into a corner roster wise, we still have the roster that won 64 games, so it's not that bad. Of course Paul is the catalyst and he is on his way down, but I hope for internal improvement.

I try not to focus too much on Sarver...can't do anything about it and watch the Suns for my entertainment. I'd prefer a new owner and wish he was gone but won't get down on the team about it. He's gone for the year. If anything that should be a positive. People might be happier around the place. I doubt they will miss him. And there is probaby a decent chance he will never be back.

[oddity]

I like the resolution here. $10 million isn't chump change. A year away from the team is a pretty big deal, too. This isn't the Donald Sterling case.

Thing is, other owners I'm sure have skeletons in their closet, and they don't want to be tossing forced sales around at each other. Gets dangerous. This sends the signal to owners that this conduct will be punished.

How this goes from here really depends on how Sarver reacts. I don't trust him and would like him to step away for good, but I doubt he wants to go out of the limelight in disgrace. But if he keeps the team, this sanction will always be brought up when he's discussed. So we'll see.

The value of the Suns will rise by quite a bit more than 10 mill over the coming year. Thus by being allowed to keep his team Sarver is in fact not getting financially punished at all. It just looks like it so the rich NBA pigs can seem like they're doing something and the rich scumbag owner doesn't put up a fuss. See how that works! This punishment is such a farce it would be funny if it weren't so cruel to all the people who put their jobs on the line only to see this schmuck return a year later

[lilfishi22]

I like the resolution here. $10 million isn't chump change. A year away from the team is a pretty big deal, too. This isn't the Donald Sterling case.

Thing is, other owners I'm sure have skeletons in their closet, and they don't want to be tossing forced sales around at each other. Gets dangerous. This sends the signal to owners that this conduct will be punished.

How this goes from here really depends on how Sarver reacts. I don't trust him and would like him to step away for good, but I doubt he wants to go out of the limelight in disgrace. But if he keeps the team, this sanction will always be brought up when he's discussed. So we'll see.

The value of the Suns will rise by quite a bit more than 10 mill over the coming year. Thus by being allowed to keep his team Sarver is in fact not getting financially punished at all. It just looks like it so the rich NBA pigs can seem like they're doing something and the rich scumbag owner doesn't put up a fuss. See how that works! This punishment is such a farce it would be funny if it weren't so cruel to all the people who put their jobs on the line only to see this schmuck return a year later

Ultimately, the NBA fined him the maximum allowed and while he could've gotten a longer suspension, there wasn't enough evidence the force a vote amongst the other NBA owners nor would it likely have gotten the votes required to push him out.

Short of Sarver selling the team, which would be a dream, I just don't think anything would satiate demands of angry fans, media or players. At the end of the day, this isn't just firing some bank clerk, it's getting him to sell something he owns which is the hardest part.

[Phystic]

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Phoenix mayor now coming out

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Putting 'owns' is an awesome little dig considering Bob only owns like 35% of the team. Hopefully this dude can stage a coupe to take over.

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[lilfishi22]

I know it's just words on a page but this is a big time move and could lead to real ownership changes

[Phystic]

I know it's just words on a page but this is a big time move and could lead to real ownership changes

The #2 owner, and now the Mayor of Phoenix coming out against Sarver. Wouldn't be surprised if sponsors/partners and the ownership group start putting the squeeze more and more on Sarver to GTFO

[RaisingArizona]

Public outrage will hopefully push him out. Bad owner and individual. I don't get why some of you are condoning his behavior over the past decade plus.

[MrMiyagi]

Public outrage will hopefully push him out. Bad owner and individual. I don't get why some of you are condoning his behavior over the past decade plus.

Because the American Dream is to be a rich, selfish ****. How dare actions have consequences! The world should cater to my whims.

[bigfoot]

Public outrage will hopefully push him out. Bad owner and individual. I don't get why some of you are condoning his behavior over the past decade plus.

I'm certainly not condoning his behavior. In my first post, I pointed out the types of fines and punishments players received for various infractions. In my second post, I cut and pasted the NBA's report on an ESPN alleged comment that could not be confirmed.

To me, the punishment should be similar in many situations. For example, Jason Kidd abusing his wife and DUI incidents are as bad as Sarver's. DUIs kill and maim people. Domestic violence harms people. Yet there was very light-to-no punishment for Jason Kidd.

Kidd was and is a leader on the court, a leader as a coach, and a role model for children. Should a full investigation into Kidd's past and present be opened by the NBA interviewing all players, coaches, management, employees and others who came in contact with him while playing and coaching in the NBA? If so I'm sure there are incidents where Kidd made sexist comments, Kidd made sophomoric actions, and Kidd yelled and cursed at coaches, players, and referees while doing his job. Should Kidd be banned from the NBA?

You put any person under a microscope for an 18-20 year span and you are gonna find dirt. People are gonna **** up during their lives. We are all far from perfect. Do you give a person a chance to become better and improve once their shortcomings are pointed out or do you just kick them to the curb?

Silver really messed up and should have given Sarver a different punishment. Max fine of $10 million. A one-year suspension from the NBA and a 5-year probationary period where any substantiated incident of racism or misogyny that occurs would result in a vote of removal by the NBA owners and/or at least a 5-year suspension from the NBA. Something like that has way more teeth and motivates Sarver's ability to reform.

[Fo-Real]

I think that this will end in him being bought out.

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[RaisingArizona]

Public outrage will hopefully push him out. Bad owner and individual. I don't get why some of you are condoning his behavior over the past decade plus.

I'm certainly not condoning his behavior. In my first post, I pointed out the types of fines and punishments players received for various infractions. In my second post, I cut and pasted the NBA's report on an ESPN alleged comment that could not be confirmed.

To me, the punishment should be similar in many situations. For example, Jason Kidd abusing his wife and DUI incidents are as bad as Sarver's. DUIs kill and maim people. Domestic violence harms people. Yet there was very light-to-no punishment for Jason Kidd.

Kidd was and is a leader on the court, a leader as a coach, and a role model for children. Should a full investigation into Kidd's past and present be opened by the NBA interviewing all players, coaches, management, employees and others who came in contact with him while playing and coaching in the NBA? If so I'm sure there are incidents where Kidd made sexist comments, Kidd made sophomoric actions, and Kidd yelled and cursed at coaches, players, and referees while doing his job. Should Kidd be banned from the NBA?

You put any person under a microscope for an 18-20 year span and you are gonna find dirt. People are gonna **** up during their lives. We are all far from perfect. Do you give a person a chance to become better and improve once their shortcomings are pointed out or do you just kick them to the curb?

Silver really messed up and should have given Sarver a different punishment. Max fine of $10 million. A one-year suspension from the NBA and a 5-year probationary period where any substantiated incident of racism or misogyny that occurs would result in a vote of removal by the NBA owners and/or at least a 5-year suspension from the NBA. Something like that has way more teeth and motivates Sarver's ability to reform.

JKidd's issues happened a long time ago. The standards are higher now. Plus, JKidd is not an owner, where standards should be the highest considering they employ hundreds if not thousands of people. Of course, everyone has dirt, but there's no way to defend the findings of this report. As sponsors, minority owners, city council members, and more players speak out, he probably will have to sell to save face and dollars. I have very little sympathy for a billionaire that treats people poorly.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think Kidd is a **** bag and I wouldn't want him coaching my team anymore than I would want Sarver owning a team I root for.

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The snowball effect has begun with ownership calling for him to resign and now sponsorship.
I think it's no longer 'if', but 'when', he's gone.
I just pray this 'acting owner' Garvin isn't the one to replace him when that happens.