The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[King4Day]

Why watch that when you can read this

I usually like to watch these. If it was KD or another player (which I think they've already done), I will check it out.
This one I hear about and seeing the images in the tweet is enough for me.

I still don’t get why Book is off the table if trading him potentially helps your team . Meaning Erik and Stephen. I think they want the Suns to win and have Booker on the team. Its the idea that Booker is off the table is something that makes no sense if the goal is to win a title.

If there is not a deal to be made - that is fine. But shutting the door, which is seems Ishbia has done, makes no sense. As for Erik and Stephen - they are just too much "fan" to be analytical

I'm a fan of both (Erik more so as he comes off as a smart realistic fan).
Stephen, I like but he uses big words to the point it sounds like he's almost forcing it

I feel no player should be off the table. However, with Book and KD, you must get max value. Like, I'm not trading him to Houston if Amen isn't coming back. And if he's not, I want our 3 picks back, AND some of theirs, along with Smith and another younger player. Because they don't have any other players they'd trade who would do anything more than keep us in the late lottery at best. So I need my picks back.

KD, I'm good with the Spurs package idea of Vassel, Johnson, and a couple firsts.

[King4Day]

Now you are talking about 3 ways and 4 ways… save that for ghost and his mystical say a prayer deals.

I don’t know anymore. But KD is an expiring… so he has some pull in where he goes else he’s just a rental. He has to ok with an immediate extension if not. He has already displayed his willingness to walk out.

He might have more value if Wishbia extends him then trades. I think there is a good chance that happens and a trade come Dec.

It just a mess any which way you go.

I don't expect KD to extend, knowing that he can then be dealt anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised that if we do extend him, he requires a NTC to go along with it. He keeps the leverage that way and it simply pushes back when we move him.

[BobbieL]

I usually like to watch these. If it was KD or another player (which I think they've already done), I will check it out.
This one I hear about and seeing the images in the tweet is enough for me.

I still don’t get why Book is off the table if trading him potentially helps your team . Meaning Erik and Stephen. I think they want the Suns to win and have Booker on the team. Its the idea that Booker is off the table is something that makes no sense if the goal is to win a title.

If there is not a deal to be made - that is fine. But shutting the door, which is seems Ishbia has done, makes no sense. As for Erik and Stephen - they are just too much "fan" to be analytical

I'm a fan of both (Erik more so as he comes off as a smart realistic fan).
Stephen, I like but he uses big words to the point it sounds like he's almost forcing it

I feel no player should be off the table. However, with Book and KD, you must get max value. Like, I'm not trading him to Houston if Amen isn't coming back. And if he's not, I want our 3 picks back, AND some of theirs, along with Smith and another younger player. Because they don't have any other players they'd trade who would do anything more than keep us in the late lottery at best. So I need my picks back.

KD, I'm good with the Spurs package idea of Vassel, Johnson, and a couple firsts.

I like Gerald B the best as he is most sensible as more the reporter/insider. I do think Stephen puts in the time looking at film so respect him about that but yes, sometimes I think he tries too hard. But he knows the game and I see his clips of asking questions - he knows

And you made my point about Booker - exactly max value but the door shouldn't be shut. And max value for Devin Booker today is more than what Durant brings

[Puff]

He’s a SG… we have one of those, no … two of those… wait no … three of those

Can’t be trading just to be trading. We’ve done that already

But maybe Vassell could be traded elsewhere for a point guard or a frontcourt player?

Maybe is not good enough. We need to get bigger not on hope but via a legit deal. If KD is as valuable as some think, that should not be an issue. The only issue is if KD's panties get tight when we get a deal that will send where he does not want to go. If that is the case, keep him, don't extend him and let him expire next summer. We cannot afford to be Mr. nice guy with him or any other team. We dropped our pants when we traded for him, it is time to put our big boy pants back on and play hard ball.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I know that this is basically draft stuff. But still important to consider for tim protection and shotblocking possibilities that are cost controlled given our situation.

Obviously, we should be looking at acquiring an early 2nd or two to add cost controlled center depth to our current weak center rotation. And Kalkbrenner (Brook Lopez archetype) and/ or Neiderhauser (Jackson Hayes/ Javale McGee archetype) would provide great center depth value.

And this becomes more important towards affording us more cap flexibility to apply in free agency on starting positions??

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I didn't watch this one simply because it makes no sense to propose these ideas when there's 0 chance we're trading him.
The Rockets one is what I'd take in order to get our picks back.

Why watch that when you can read this

I usually like to watch these. If it was KD or another player (which I think they've already done), I will check it out.
This one I hear about and seeing the images in the tweet is enough for me.

I'm hoping for some fireworks on draft night.

Plan A: a complete tear down and rebuild - ideally, all the league's stars realigned in one, big beautiful trade, with youth and picks coming back to us.
Plan B: trade KD to MIN/SAS/etc. for young guys and give Booker an outside shot at disappointing Houston and DC.

If we don't get fireworks, I'll see ashes. Draft night is the one night of the year when draft picks are available at a discount. This may be our last, best chance to recover our future.

Please!!

[Revived]

Seriously what a **** clown Ishbia is. How can anybody still support what he has done?

But Billionaire means smart!

I think based on everything we experienced 2024 and right at thsi moment, it has proven that billionaires are not smart people but people desperately want to make them out to be!

You’re all wrong and I’m sure Sabestar will show you just how exactly to support the asshat Ishbia. Come on Sabestar, you’ve been summoned to do the usual tapdancing for Ishbia, let’s show these losers!

[Djedefre]

Getting #14 along with Vassell AND Keldon would be stellar. Attaching any more future picks would be madness from the Spurs. Utterly unrealistic. I mean even this package without the future FRP's looks borderline too good to be true.

I just don't think Durant still holds that much value, given his age and the fact that he never got any real success aside from that historically stacked Warriors team. Even if the team trading for him knows he'll re-sign, the risk of him just fading production-wise at any point is pretty high. At that age the decline is pretty steep and radical, as we witnessed ourseleves with Paul and so many other players. You never know when exactly they'll fall off a cliff.

Yup.

Aside from the MVP he won, the multiple 1st team all NBA slots he got and the time he took a young Thunder team to the Finals.

Complete garbage that KD guy......

He is not garbage, just way past his prime. And even in his prime he could not bring a chip as a main guy. Those are the facts.

Imo, no team in this world is giving a top8 pick, a young all-star or 3 future firsts for Durant in the year 2025. Time will tell. I sure as hell hope i'm wrong, but i fear that is not the case. We are not getting anything signifficantly better than a guy like Vassel, so we might just retain Durant and wait for his contract to end to free the cap space.

[Sunsdeuce]

Size and rim protection is something James Jones hated! Combo guards were his pleasure!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Size and rim protection is something James Jones hated! Combo guards were his pleasure!

Jones being dismissed is a huge step in the right direction for so many reasons!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Rebound Mound]

We are still five interviews from getting to a new round of interviews that will take us to a final while probably the Finals are being played...

I do not know whether is going to come earlier, a new coach for us or a draftee.

It could be nice to hear the ideas of some of those coaches and then, when one of them becomes our coach, the roster he is given has little to do with the ideas he had in mind because the GM did not have time to talk to him in advance. The draft and trade period could arrive earlier...

[lilfishi22]

Durant will likely force a trade to Spurs and that's how this saga ends. He will have a legit shot at a ring next season if he did. They can get him and keep Castle and #2 (Harper) and have Fox and Wemby. If he forces his way there this summer it will happen. The Suns will mostly want like 3 1st rounders for him and they can offer it.

14 + two future firsts + guys like Barnes, Vassel or Johnson as salary fillers would be a good haul.

Yeah, I think that we need to get Vassell + #14 + Keldon Johnson (or Barnes) AND 3 Unprotected FRPs.

I think they can give us those picks because they have multiple FRPs + their own picks (for example one via Atlanta, other via Dallas) so it's a luxury that they have and they need to consolidate those assets into players now.

If we accept not getting Castle or Harper they need to accept to give us those future picks. With KD signing his extension with them they will be contenders for years to come.

So you want 4 picks, Vassel, Keldon and salary for KD? You should consider yourself lucky to walk away with half of those picks. That offer is closer to what you'll expect for Book, not a 37yo KD

[lilfishi22]

Michael Scotto

The Phoenix Suns have at least five candidates advancing to the next round of interviews for their head coaching job, including Jordan Ott and Johnnie Bryant (Cavaliers), Sean Sweeney (Mavericks), Chris Quinn (Heat), and Dave Bliss (Thunder), league sources told @hoopshype.

Gambo

Sean Sweeney makes it four interviews scheduled for the final round. Hearing they could have added one more to make it 5 total for final round.

Why does it seem like they're drawing it out? All of these headlines about candidates making it to the next round of interviews just makes this seem like they're turning the hire into a gameshow.

Better than the last two seasons I think. We jumped in to get Vogel and Bud as soon as the became interested

[lilfishi22]

Size and rim protection is something James Jones hated! Combo guards were his pleasure!

It's funny how you think because he prioritised going in one direction it means he hated every other direction. He infamously drafted size and rim protection in Jalen Smith over a combo guy in 6'5 Haliburton.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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There are two distinct prospects currently flying under the radar that are almost identical in archetype and other traits to Toumani Camara, and those two are:

1- Obinna anuchili Killen (Marshall) 6'8 with a 7'4 wingspan!

2- Aaron Scott (North Texas) 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan.
Remember that I mentioned these two names for defensive wing prospects that we could target!

[lilfishi22]

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There are two distinct prospects currently flying under the radar that are almost identical in archetype and other traits to Toumani Camara, and those two are:

1- Obinna anuchili Killen (Marshall) 6'8 with a 7'4 wingspan!

2- Aaron Scott (North Texas) 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan.
Remember that I mentioned these two names for defensive wing prospects that we could target!

Hey Ghost, can we keep the Draft related posts in the Draft thread please?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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There are two distinct prospects currently flying under the radar that are almost identical in archetype and other traits to Toumani Camara, and those two are:

1- Obinna anuchili Killen (Marshall) 6'8 with a 7'4 wingspan!

2- Aaron Scott (North Texas) 6'7 with a 7'1 wingspan.
Remember that I mentioned these two names for defensive wing prospects that we could target!

Hey Ghost, can we keep the Draft related posts in the Draft thread please?

Sure man. No worries, I'll remember from here on out k.