2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[Jdiddy701]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bwgood77]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

Bloody oath

Very succinct and insightful

[Jdiddy701]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

Good to know. If Chris Paul was younger, I wouldn’t mind leaving the average PPG out, but as CP3 ages, Ayton has to be able to produce more on offense.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bwgood77]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

Good to know. If Chris Paul was younger, I wouldn’t mind leaving the average PPG out, but as CP3 ages, Ayton has to be able to produce more on offense.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree, but giving guys PPG goals is not a smart way to go. Especially for a guy who has to rely on others to get him the ball. I would give bonuses for averaging 12.5 rpg and over 4 offensive rpg...only 2 players in NBA exceed those #s.

Getting to the line is good because that means he is trying to take it in for an easy score so I think you are kind of accomplishing your scoring objective there, but of course you don't want him driving into 3 guys Oubre/Josh Jackson style.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Late to the party on this I know as Sabrestar already provided the info a page earlier. But just wanted to add onto the info he shared a bit.


Duane Rankin (@DuaneRankin) Tweeted:
"I want to be here."

Mikal Bridges addresses rookie extension as he too is up for one like Deandre Ayton.

Said he'll come to the facility thinking about GM GM James Jones and team owner Robert Sarver, but he thinks more about family, his team.

Oct. 18 is the deadline. #Suns https://t.co/zmYrCPwvD6

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[Ghost of Kleine]

Gerald Bourguet (@GeraldBourguet) Tweeted:
DA and the bigs getting some 3s up today https://t.co/2mAEsplxGI

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[Ghost of Kleine]

Dave King (@DaveKingNBA) Tweeted:
*ICYMI* insider @MikeAScotto on Ayton, Bridges, Shamet extensions and the pitfalls of RFA

Also in the past week: @SpinDavies, Suns guard @campayne

Listen/sub/rate:
https://t.co/1H3cuVWdXp

@SunsSolarPanel @ZonaHoops_

@DKSportsbook #TBPN

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[Ghost of Kleine]

EmpireOfTheSuns (@EmpireOfTheSuns) Tweeted:
NEW POD: @KZimmermanAZ and @KellanOlson discuss the wait for Deandre Ayton and Mikal Bridges extensions before reviewing some of the bigger storylines on the court for the team - https://t.co/23Z7URJe7Z

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[Ghost of Kleine]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
As Suns fans - we still hear the same, if not more, from the owner than we do the GM.

And that’s an issue, when the owner is trying to push the narrative that the GM is in charge.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[bigfoot]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

It is obvious from this post that Ayton isn't a straight 25% max. As soon as folks start saying he needs monetary incentives to meet free throws or other stats it should be apparent. Hell, he could go from a 25% max to a 30% max by making all-NBA, DYOP, or MVP. So he's offered 20% of cap ($22.4M) and gets the extra 5% if he averages 5 free throw attempts per game??? Or 1% for FT attemps, 1% for rebound average above 12 per game, 1% for 2 blocks per game average, 1% for shooting better than .350 from 3, and 1% for playing more than 70 games??? Come on now. This just says Ayton lacks motivation which we all know he does at times.

[Jdiddy701]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

It is obvious from this post that Ayton isn't a straight 25% max. As soon as folks start saying he needs monetary incentives to meet free throws or other stats it should be apparent. Hell, he could go from a 25% max to a 30% max by making all-NBA, DYOP, or MVP. So he's offered 20% of cap ($22.4M) and gets the extra 5% if he averages 5 free throw attempts per game??? Or 1% for FT attemps, 1% for rebound average above 12 per game, 1% for 2 blocks per game average, 1% for shooting better than .350 from 3, and 1% for playing more than 70 games??? Come on now. This just says Ayton lacks motivation which we all know he does at times.

It’s honestly the only way I would be comfortable offering him a max. Give him a reason to stay motivated and if he doesn’t hit those thresholds, he won’t get the max money - definitely a fair ask from the Suns. If CP3 was younger, I wouldn’t mind risking the max, knowing this Suns team together is dangerous. Without CP3, I worry about DA, especially on a max contract. Everyone is pointing blame on Sarver but I’m pretty sure if you ask Suns players/Monty, they would agree Ayton has a ton to work on before he’s a max player.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dremill24]

So disrespectful to offer him life changing money but a bit less than guys that are better than him at his job. The nerve...

[bwgood77]

Somewhere in DA’s contract, if it is a max, I really hope they have an incentive that he needs to average at minimum 4-5 free throws attempts a game. There’s no reason for him to only average 2 FT’s attempts a game.

I also think averaging 20 points and 10 rebounds should be somewhere in his contract. If you want max money, you have to put up max money stats. Curious if contracts even work this way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

It is obvious from this post that Ayton isn't a straight 25% max. As soon as folks start saying he needs monetary incentives to meet free throws or other stats it should be apparent. Hell, he could go from a 25% max to a 30% max by making all-NBA, DYOP, or MVP. So he's offered 20% of cap ($22.4M) and gets the extra 5% if he averages 5 free throw attempts per game??? Or 1% for FT attemps, 1% for rebound average above 12 per game, 1% for 2 blocks per game average, 1% for shooting better than .350 from 3, and 1% for playing more than 70 games??? Come on now. This just says Ayton lacks motivation which we all know he does at times.

I don't think he needs incentives though. That was just a response that IF I was to build in any incentives it might be stuff like that. He nearly leads the league in rebounding and offensive rebounding anyway, particularly for his age. I'm not worried about points. He's a guy the general NBA expert consensus analysts feel should get a max. Does he play as well as all rookie max players? No. Does he have enormous upside and show super skills in the playoffs where even CP3 said he was our most important player in the playoffs? Yes. Your most important player in the playoffs where you get to the finals still with a ton of upside at 22 years old isn't worth haggling over if most feel he's worth a max, particularly when a guy like Porter Jr gets one, a guy that has BARELY been healthy the last 4 years...only about half the time and can't play a lick of defense.

I know everyone is focused on offense, which I'm not terribly concerned about because I've seen it, he's extremely efficient, and has a nice short-midrange if he's going 1 on 1. Few Cs have his defensive versatility, even at his young age, and I don't know if any have his upside...his work ethic is also strong and he has a great attitude and is a great teammate.

[Slim Charless]

So disrespectful to offer him life changing money but a bit less than guys that are better than him at his job. The nerve...

Name some.

I'd love to hear guys that are available now or even next summer that are better and within the same age group.


Go ahead. I'll wait. TIA

[bwgood77]

They can. I have looked at Capela's and there are rebounding ones. And in TJ's there were 3 pt takes.

I agree about the free throws. Not so much about the ppg, because you don't want him thinking about personal #s when it comes to scoring. Rebounding is fine because it helps the team. You don't want him taking a bunch of shots if he is off or going to the rim if he is triple teamed if say, Booker is on fire...just so he can get 20.

It is obvious from this post that Ayton isn't a straight 25% max. As soon as folks start saying he needs monetary incentives to meet free throws or other stats it should be apparent. Hell, he could go from a 25% max to a 30% max by making all-NBA, DYOP, or MVP. So he's offered 20% of cap ($22.4M) and gets the extra 5% if he averages 5 free throw attempts per game??? Or 1% for FT attemps, 1% for rebound average above 12 per game, 1% for 2 blocks per game average, 1% for shooting better than .350 from 3, and 1% for playing more than 70 games??? Come on now. This just says Ayton lacks motivation which we all know he does at times.

It’s honestly the only way I would be comfortable offering him a max. Give him a reason to stay motivated and if he doesn’t hit those thresholds, he won’t get the max money - definitely a fair ask from the Suns. If CP3 was younger, I wouldn’t mind risking the max, knowing this Suns team together is dangerous. Without CP3, I worry about DA, especially on a max contract. Everyone is pointing blame on Sarver but I’m pretty sure if you ask Suns players/Monty, they would agree Ayton has a ton to work on before he’s a max player.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You could say that with a lot of rookie max players. I mean this year obviously we have Luka and Trae putting up absurd #s, but even look back at Booker when he got his extension. He didn't take his game to another level until after his extension, and still had a lot of work to do on turnovers, defense, 3pt shooting, etc.

It wasn't even until this past year where he really started putting in an effort on the defensive end. And he still needs to work on 3s and turnovers...and staying locked on D. I mean these are all integral pieces of a finals team.

[dremill24]

So disrespectful to offer him life changing money but a bit less than guys that are better than him at his job. The nerve...

Name some.

I'd love to hear guys that are available now or even next summer that are better and within the same age group.


Go ahead. I'll wait. TIA

Name some players that are better and get paid more? You really need help with that?

Dont even know what that 2nd sentence has to do with what I said.

Can also kick rocks with the condescension lol

[bwgood77]

So disrespectful to offer him life changing money but a bit less than guys that are better than him at his job. The nerve...

Name some.

I'd love to hear guys that are available now or even next summer that are better and within the same age group.

Go ahead. I'll wait. TIA

I am not sure about centers at the age of 23 or less that are really even close all things considered. I mean a few make more but they are elite. Just because he's not as good as Embiid or Jokic doesn't mean he shouldn't get a rookie max.

I don't think he's as good as those guys but they are pretty historic in their talents..and Jokic wasn't nearly as good as he is now his 3rd year...he averaged like 18 and 10.7 his 3rd year..Ayton averaged 18 and 11.5 in his second. His points went down a bit this past year but that because his shots dropped by 50%..his points per shot went way up, so he was more efficient and effective on offense. Near the top in contesting 2s and 3s..the only guy in the NBA near the top in both. Screen assists. He does a lot for our offense and defense that don't show up in the box score.

Embiid in his 3rd year scored a bit more but had about the same points per shot...he went to the line 3.2x a game to Ayton's 2.5. Not nearly the rebounder in his 3rd year.

[bwgood77]

Are people suddenly seeing a scoreboard across the top today? Heck, between that and the wiretaps the threads start like halfway down the page. someone told me they hide all that stuff like the wiretaps but not sure how to do that.

[bwgood77]

Hey, you see this? https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264424/Lakers-Waive-Joel-Ayayi-From-Two-Way-Deal