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gaspar wrote:You guys know that Sully is a "thug" too, right?
SF88 wrote:Good on the situation that the Suns are currently in
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SF88 wrote:If Westbrook somehow became available for trade, what would you offer for him? I think I'd want to keep one of Dragic or Bledsoe and keep Len and everything else is available.
In Len We Trust wrote:We have players who are big pieces to the team but are simply flawed. In order to build a championship team you need to get rid of the good players with flaws and have good overall players.
Markieff, Marcus, and Green are all flawed by bad defense, especially Marcus and Green. Keef is a fantastic offensive player but he is such a horrifically bad rebounder that it really hurts the team. All 3 of these players are good players who can do a lot of good things but IMO they shouldn't be long term pieces.
If we could get rid of the contracts of IT, the Morri, and Dragic via FA with minimal return then we could sign Matthews. Trade the Morrii for TJones and see if we could ship IT out east for a 1st and a small contract in return.
Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Goodwin/Zoran
Tucker/Warren/Bullock
Jones/Wright
Len/Wright
Minus Tucker, the entire team hasassive growth potential. Bledsoe could make that next step towards the next level, Len might become one of the best centers in the league, Goodwin and Warren could become studs as well as Bullock, Jones is still young and has a nice all around game, and Ennis could quickly become a very nice backup PG.
There's so many possibilities, who knows what will happen and what's the best that could happen. I'd kill to know exactly what McD is planning, or if he even knows what will happen
1UPZ wrote:In Len We Trust wrote:We have players who are big pieces to the team but are simply flawed. In order to build a championship team you need to get rid of the good players with flaws and have good overall players.
Markieff, Marcus, and Green are all flawed by bad defense, especially Marcus and Green. Keef is a fantastic offensive player but he is such a horrifically bad rebounder that it really hurts the team. All 3 of these players are good players who can do a lot of good things but IMO they shouldn't be long term pieces.
If we could get rid of the contracts of IT, the Morri, and Dragic via FA with minimal return then we could sign Matthews. Trade the Morrii for TJones and see if we could ship IT out east for a 1st and a small contract in return.
Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Goodwin/Zoran
Tucker/Warren/Bullock
Jones/Wright
Len/Wright
Minus Tucker, the entire team hasassive growth potential. Bledsoe could make that next step towards the next level, Len might become one of the best centers in the league, Goodwin and Warren could become studs as well as Bullock, Jones is still young and has a nice all around game, and Ennis could quickly become a very nice backup PG.
There's so many possibilities, who knows what will happen and what's the best that could happen. I'd kill to know exactly what McD is planning, or if he even knows what will happen
Yeah I envision something similar, but Terence Jones is not a huge upgrade... but he is a defender, so good direction.
Dragic is a good player but geez his FA status is very dangerous for the Suns... in the end, players make decision based on what's best for them.... the allure of maximum money, role on another team is huge.
Barkley6 wrote:1UPZ wrote:In Len We Trust wrote:We have players who are big pieces to the team but are simply flawed. In order to build a championship team you need to get rid of the good players with flaws and have good overall players.
Markieff, Marcus, and Green are all flawed by bad defense, especially Marcus and Green. Keef is a fantastic offensive player but he is such a horrifically bad rebounder that it really hurts the team. All 3 of these players are good players who can do a lot of good things but IMO they shouldn't be long term pieces.
If we could get rid of the contracts of IT, the Morri, and Dragic via FA with minimal return then we could sign Matthews. Trade the Morrii for TJones and see if we could ship IT out east for a 1st and a small contract in return.
Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Goodwin/Zoran
Tucker/Warren/Bullock
Jones/Wright
Len/Wright
Minus Tucker, the entire team hasassive growth potential. Bledsoe could make that next step towards the next level, Len might become one of the best centers in the league, Goodwin and Warren could become studs as well as Bullock, Jones is still young and has a nice all around game, and Ennis could quickly become a very nice backup PG.
There's so many possibilities, who knows what will happen and what's the best that could happen. I'd kill to know exactly what McD is planning, or if he even knows what will happen
Yeah I envision something similar, but Terence Jones is not a huge upgrade... but he is a defender, so good direction.
Dragic is a good player but geez his FA status is very dangerous for the Suns... in the end, players make decision based on what's best for them.... the allure of maximum money, role on another team is huge.
Sorry, but no. That roster is terrible, not in terms of talent, but in terms of viability. One injury away from having Warren or Tucker logging significant minutes at PF. No experience off the bench in the backcourt. That's not a winning team, that's a team that is going to have more issues than our current roster.
KLEON wrote:Wouldn't mind the Suns throwing some money at Hassan Whiteside in the summer
Saberestar wrote:gaspar wrote:You guys know that Sully is a "thug" too, right?
He is not only that, most importantly he is a horrible defender. He can not elevate at all, not good help defender or rim protector and on offense he needs the ball in his hands in the post and he can shoot the three ball but his percentages are not good enough to call him an stretch four.... exactly the opossite that we need in my opinion. Markieff is like him, but just better.
SF88 wrote:If Westbrook somehow became available for trade, what would you offer for him? I think I'd want to keep one of Dragic or Bledsoe and keep Len and everything else is available.
NavLDO wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:In Len We Trust wrote:If we could snab TJones Faried for the Morris twins and then trade IT, Tucker, Plumlee to move up in the draft we could roll with
Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Goodwin
Warren/Bullock
Faried/Wright
Len/Wright
Then just wait for Warren and Len to develop. Could lock up the whole team for several years.
Give me Kieff on his contract over Faried on his every day.
Totally agree. Sure, Faried's a better PF, but he's not $4.5M per year, or what, total of, is it $22M more overall? Faried doesn't take us from the 8th/9th seed to 5th/6th seed, like an Ibaka or better yet, a Millsap would. And honestly, Kieff might be a nice complement to Len in a year or two, so long as he stays out of trouble. Kieff is a nice offensive player, but still feel he could improve on his defensive prowess as he matures. I doubt he'll ever be a rebound machine, but that's ok--we can't have an all-star at EVERY position, and feel EB and Len will be in the next 2-3 years. Remember, EB is still developing as well, so no need for anyone to feel that EB won't improve over time. I'm not guaranteeing it, but saying it's a strong possibility that he does.
And Dragic is nice and have no issue with paying him to stay, but if ultimately he goes and we get a Wes Matthews type, or better, SG, then I'd be ok with that as well. Then as AtheJ mentioned, allow Warren to develop into our primary scorer, and we'll have a well balanced team.
KLEON wrote:SF88 wrote:If Westbrook somehow became available for trade, what would you offer for him? I think I'd want to keep one of Dragic or Bledsoe and keep Len and everything else is available.
I honestly wouldn't want him and here is why:
1. He's a chucker
2. Very selfish player
3. Bad attitude
4. Think he's better than Durant
KLEON wrote:SF88 wrote:If Westbrook somehow became available for trade, what would you offer for him? I think I'd want to keep one of Dragic or Bledsoe and keep Len and everything else is available.
I honestly wouldn't want him and here is why:
1. He's a chucker
2. Very selfish player
3. Bad attitude
4. Think he's better than Durant
SF88 wrote:KLEON wrote:SF88 wrote:If Westbrook somehow became available for trade, what would you offer for him? I think I'd want to keep one of Dragic or Bledsoe and keep Len and everything else is available.
I honestly wouldn't want him and here is why:
1. He's a chucker
2. Very selfish player
3. Bad attitude
4. Think he's better than Durant
Couldn't you say the same things about Bledsoe?
I think Westbrook and Bledsoe are similar players in the type of style they play but Westbrook attacks 24/7 while Bledsoe tends to take plays off, turn it over and low ball iq.
I do think you can build a contender with Westbrook as #1. You just need a big man to be the #2.
I also think Westbrook is seen around the league in high regard by other players who respect in his insane athleticism and skill.
Kobe himself has said that Westbrook is the only one who has even close to the competitive drive as him. Just like Kobe, Westbrook is also bashed 24/7 by the media and fans.