The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[jredsaz]

Gotta get rid of Knight for decent value... Maybe a pick between 8 and 12... Or for young prospects.

Maybe entice Bulls... They need depth in the scoring department at the backcourt.

On a similar vein to as what I just replied to GoranTragic, who would trade a lotto pick for him at his current 'value'? Unless Knight shows more consistency to his game, as he's played the past couple, for the next 20ish games, I don't think GMs see any different than we fans do, and that Knight is not worth his current contract. And as the NBA is more about "trading" contracts than "trading" players, we would have to either pay something for someone to take him, or take back a relatively poor contract like what Knight is currently on.

Those (not just you, necessarily, 1UPZ) that feel that we can trade Knight and get back anything of positive value need to recognize that if we as fans don't want him, what GM is going to want him?

The only way I see McD being able to unload Knight would be in a multiple player deal, where we give up a player with positive value with Knight, for a decent veteran. And if we want an established "Star" player, we'll have to include one of: Warren, Booker, Len, or Bledsoe. Those 4 are the only ones that I view that have positive value, with Goodwin as a "maybe". So which one of them do 'we' want to part within order to unload Knight? If we aren't willing to part with any of them, than I don't see Knight being traded ny time soon, UNLESS, again, he shows something for the remainder of the season, and if he does, than yes, McD needs to jump on that 'value' and trade him away.

Wait until Kent Bazemore signs for $16 million a year and then talk to me about Brandon Knights value. Knight has much more value than Archie Goodwin. Stop with that. And the idea that he has less value than Keif, actual Tyson Chandler style negative value, is ridiculous.

I don't like his game at all. He drives me nuts. But with a salary that will equate to +/- 12% of the cap, his ability to score and create will draw interest from teams looking to add an affordable 4th or 5th option. I actually think he would fit well on iso-centric teams like the Cavs or Thunder.

[jredsaz]

Off Season Rebuild: Is either trade realistic? Together are they worth sacrificing the youth movement?

Trade 1:
PHX gets: Cousins
SAC gets: Len, Warren, Tucker, 2016 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (MIA)

Trade 2:
PHX gets: Ibaka
OKC gets: Lopez, Young
BKN gets: Knight, Kanter, 2016 1st (WAS), 2016 1st (CLE)

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Cousins/Chandler

Throw a bunch of money at Batum or possibly Barnes for a long-term deal. If you can't land one of them, over pay guys like Courtney Lee, Evan Turner, Afflalo, and/or Deng on one year deals and try for a big fish in 2017.

[dremill24]

Not a chance OKC does that deal

[blacksun]

Off Season Rebuild: Is either trade realistic? Together are they worth sacrificing the youth movement?

Trade 1:
PHX gets: Cousins
SAC gets: Len, Warren, Tucker, 2016 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (MIA)

Trade 2:
PHX gets: Ibaka
OKC gets: Lopez, Young
BKN gets: Knight, Kanter, 2016 1st (WAS), 2016 1st (CLE)

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Cousins/Chandler

Throw a bunch of money at Batum or possibly Barnes for a long-term deal. If you can't land one of them, over pay guys like Courtney Lee, Evan Turner, Afflalo, and/or Deng on one year deals and try for a big fish in 2017.

Im not really convinced the Kings are going to move Cousins this offseason. Theyre gonna wanna try to find a new coach and see what happens. Plus they got that new arena coming up.

I really like the second trade, although im not so sure who says no. Maybe throw in PJ Tucker to OKC, with them dumping Singler to us? And throw in Archie Goodwin and a second rounder or two to BKN?

[jredsaz]

Not a chance OKC does that deal

I don't think OKC moves Ibaka either given KDs free agency. But the idea has been popular lately on the Trade Board. Is the value there for OKC?

[DirtyDez]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

[bwgood77]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

If enough teams like the guards, we should be able to get a good PF prospect with that pick anyway. But it would suck if we dropped to 6th, decided we could gamble on a guard with that pick thinking a PF would be there with the next one, and like 5 PFs were taken in a row.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm not sure about drafting a PF for the sake of it.

Is he going to be an upgrade on Leuer or Teletovic (or whoever) before 2020?

[Bogyo]

I'm not sure about drafting a PF for the sake of it.

Is he going to be an upgrade on Leuer or Teletovic (or whoever) before 2020?

Not for the sake of it. Most likely the Washington pick will be a PF. Out of the 6-8 "possible" pick in that spot about half are PFs.
If we are not in love with Korkomaz or Luwawu (or whoever else) then we'll most likely pick a PF there, and hope he becomes at least as good (or better) as Kieff was before he went nuts.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Who would you rather?

Booker vs Clark, Lopez, Morris, Goodwin, Bogdanovic, Warren, Len, Ennis, Marshall, Fernandez, Tucker.

Aim and hit on a star player and you accomplish 10 years of work.

So with Chriss, Davis, Sabonis, Labissiere, Rabb - Who can be that next star player?

[nevetsov]

Wrong thread...

[King4Day]

Off Season Rebuild: Is either trade realistic? Together are they worth sacrificing the youth movement?

Trade 1:
PHX gets: Cousins
SAC gets: Len, Warren, Tucker, 2016 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (PHX), 2018 1st (MIA)

Trade 2:
PHX gets: Ibaka
OKC gets: Lopez, Young
BKN gets: Knight, Kanter, 2016 1st (WAS), 2016 1st (CLE)

Bledsoe
Booker/Goodwin
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Cousins/Chandler

Throw a bunch of money at Batum or possibly Barnes for a long-term deal. If you can't land one of them, over pay guys like Courtney Lee, Evan Turner, Afflalo, and/or Deng on one year deals and try for a big fish in 2017.

If we have the #1 pick I think they def consider it

[JMac1]

I'm not sure about drafting a PF for the sake of it.

Is he going to be an upgrade on Leuer or Teletovic (or whoever) before 2020?

Using rationale like that could get you excommunicated!

[jcsunsfan]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

Sabonis is not that high on most draft boards. The gripe on him is that he plays below the rim. To me, that is not that big of a deal, He plays fundamantal position basketball. It will be interesting to see if he starts to move up draft boards. At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be available with the Washington pick.

[Saberestar]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

Sabonis is not that high on most draft boards. The gripe on him is that he plays below the rim. To me, that is not that big of a deal, He plays fundamantal position basketball. It will be interesting to see if he starts to move up draft boards. At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be available with the Washington pick.

I can tell you something about Sabonis...

If he has the same passion for basketball like his father had he is gonna be a very good player, at least an starter in this league

Arvydas LOVED to play and he is passionate about basketball like not too many people.

After watching some highlights and his scouting report I can see some of that enthusiasm playing the game so he can probably have it.

[bwgood77]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

Sabonis is not that high on most draft boards. The gripe on him is that he plays below the rim. To me, that is not that big of a deal, He plays fundamantal position basketball. It will be interesting to see if he starts to move up draft boards. At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be available with the Washington pick.

I can tell you something about Sabonis...

If he has the same passion for basketball like his father had he is gonna be a very good player, at least an starter in this league

Arvydas LOVED to play and he is passionate about basketball like not too many people.

After watching some highlights and his scouting report I can see some of that enthusiasm playing the game so he can probably have it.

Yeah, I've always loved Sabonis because I REALLY loved how his dad played, and thought for most of the year maybe we could get him with the Cavs pick, but that has now changed as he will go much sooner.

[jcsunsfan]

Sabonis had 19/17 and 5 blocks?

Gotta do what ya gotta do to move up 5-6 spots from the Wiz pick. Some very nice prospects will be in that range...

Sabonis is not that high on most draft boards. The gripe on him is that he plays below the rim. To me, that is not that big of a deal, He plays fundamantal position basketball. It will be interesting to see if he starts to move up draft boards. At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be available with the Washington pick.

I can tell you something about Sabonis...

If he has the same passion for basketball like his father had he is gonna be a very good player, at least an starter in this league

Arvydas LOVED to play and he is passionate about basketball like not too many people.

After watching some highlights and his scouting report I can see some of that enthusiasm playing the game so he can probably have it.

Oh, I agree. I have been saying that I would absolutely LOVE to watch Sabonis play night in and night out. He is an incredibly passionate player. He reminds me of Dan Majerle in that regard. He is an incredible rebounder and I think he will be that on the pro level. I think people discount him because they try to project him as a center in the pros. He is a pf. He has the quickness and footwork to play the position, and if you watch his defense, he has the aggressiveness and quickness to defend today's NBA power forwards all the way out to the three point line.

As a defender and rebounder, he is a Kurt Thomas type of player. I am not sure who he compares to on offense. He is not particularly long, but he has decent height for a pf. He has an advanced post game. He has not demonstrated much of an outside shot, but he has very good mechanics and shoots nearly 80% from the free throw line. He just has not shot from the outside much. I think it is reasonable to believe that he could add an outside shot without much difficulty. In fact, he might already have it, he just hasn't taken that many.

[jcsunsfan]

I know this is very unlikely to happen...like 1% chance, and I'm sure many would hate the idea yet some would like. Though Dallas probably would never do it. Since it is in the wiretap about If them rebuilding he could rethink wanting to stay (but yes I know, we look like we are rebuilding more than Dallas).

But IF Dirk was made available and they went rebuild AND we were able to keep are REALLY good assets and also draft Bender, would you do something like Knight, Jenkins, Goodwin the Washington pick, the Cleveland pick, a Miami pick and/or our own 2017 or 18 pick for him? They may want Len or Warren or something too, and probably should, but I don't know if I"d do that.

The reason I mention Bender with him is because he is somewhat the type player Bender would hopefully grow into and he good learn under him for a year or two, and then go with.

Bledsoe/2nd round pick
Booker/Bogdanovic
Tucker/Warren
Dirk/Bender/Leuer
Chandler/Len/Williams

I know some would hate it, because it isn't good enough to be a championship, but it would be a playoff team, and perhaps one that could get up to 5th seed and battle for the second round. In my mind it wouldn't be enough for a win now move, as it would be to get Booker, Boganvic, Bledsoe, Bender, Warren and Len a taste of the playoffs and create that drive to get back.

Dirk did win his only championship with Chandler too and always made the playoffs with him.

I'm pretty certain Dallas wouldn't do it, but since they have NO young players and picks, those draft picks could be great assets for them to have...we may have to throw in our own pick next year too.

I am not sure I'd do it either but he is the exact type of player this team could use to take a step and play with Booker and company and a guy like Bender could learn something from him I'm sure. Would maybe even want Nash to come back and do something in some capacity as well if people like that idea.

Dirk needs to retire soon. Trading for Dirk now would work out just about as well as the Lakers trading for Steve Nash. There is no scenario in which Dirk is a legit part of the Suns future.

[jcsunsfan]

Sabonis is not that high on most draft boards. The gripe on him is that he plays below the rim. To me, that is not that big of a deal, He plays fundamantal position basketball. It will be interesting to see if he starts to move up draft boards. At this point, I think there is a good chance he will be available with the Washington pick.

I can tell you something about Sabonis...

If he has the same passion for basketball like his father had he is gonna be a very good player, at least an starter in this league

Arvydas LOVED to play and he is passionate about basketball like not too many people.

After watching some highlights and his scouting report I can see some of that enthusiasm playing the game so he can probably have it.

Yeah, I've always loved Sabonis because I REALLY loved how his dad played, and thought for most of the year maybe we could get him with the Cavs pick, but that has now changed as he will go much sooner.

Yeah. Up until a few days ago, many thought the Washington pick was too soon to draft him. Now nbadraft.net has him going 9th. If he goes into draft workouts and shows a decent outside shot, he could move himself solidly into the top 10.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I know this is very unlikely to happen...like 1% chance, and I'm sure many would hate the idea yet some would like. Though Dallas probably would never do it. Since it is in the wiretap about If them rebuilding he could rethink wanting to stay (but yes I know, we look like we are rebuilding more than Dallas).

But IF Dirk was made available and they went rebuild AND we were able to keep are REALLY good assets and also draft Bender, would you do something like Knight, Jenkins, Goodwin the Washington pick, the Cleveland pick, a Miami pick and/or our own 2017 or 18 pick for him? They may want Len or Warren or something too, and probably should, but I don't know if I"d do that.

The reason I mention Bender with him is because he is somewhat the type player Bender would hopefully grow into and he good learn under him for a year or two, and then go with.

Bledsoe/2nd round pick
Booker/Bogdanovic
Tucker/Warren
Dirk/Bender/Leuer
Chandler/Len/Williams

I know some would hate it, because it isn't good enough to be a championship, but it would be a playoff team, and perhaps one that could get up to 5th seed and battle for the second round. In my mind it wouldn't be enough for a win now move, as it would be to get Booker, Boganvic, Bledsoe, Bender, Warren and Len a taste of the playoffs and create that drive to get back.

Dirk did win his only championship with Chandler too and always made the playoffs with him.

I'm pretty certain Dallas wouldn't do it, but since they have NO young players and picks, those draft picks could be great assets for them to have...we may have to throw in our own pick next year too.

I am not sure I'd do it either but he is the exact type of player this team could use to take a step and play with Booker and company and a guy like Bender could learn something from him I'm sure. Would maybe even want Nash to come back and do something in some capacity as well if people like that idea.

I'm sorry, because you're one of the best Suns posters on the internet, but that trade is stupid. For 1-2 years at the end of Nowitzki's career, you're willing to give up Knight (4 years), Goodwin (RFA), WAS pick (8 years, including RFA), CLE pick (8 years), MIA pick (8 years) and our own pick (8 years)?? That's 40 YEARS worth of young talent for 1-2. That is beyond insane.

If it were Knight for Dirk, straight up, I think the Mavs would consider it. I wouldn't. Hell, I wouldn't give up the Washington pick ALONE for Dirk.

McD's been talking all this time about building a sustainable young roster with draft picks, and we've put ourselves in a position to be able to put together one of the best offers should a star player become available via trade. And you're willing to give it up for... what, exactly? How far do you think that team would go in the year or two before Dirk retires? And by the end of those two years, Dallas will have reloaded with FOUR PICKS in addition to Knight and Goodwin? And you think they might want Len or Warren as well??

I absolutely DO NOT want some of what you're smoking.