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Re: 2016 NBA Summer League 

Post#521 » by darealjuice » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:05 pm

LacosteM wrote:Can someone with espn insider please post full Pelton's summer league grades?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16937362/nba-las-vegas-summer-league-grades-day-2


NBA - Las Vegas Summer League grades from Day 2
by Kevin Pelton on 2016-07-12 02:02:00 UTC (original: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16937362/nba-las-vegas-summer-league-grades-day-2)

Saturday night's action featured No. 1 pick Ben Simmons and No. 2 Brandon Ingram facing off in front of a raucous Las Vegas crowd.

But two sophomores took over late, including D'Angelo Russell, who hit a buzzer-beating 3-pointer as the Lakers beat the Sixers in a wild one, 70-69.

Grades for 11 up-and-coming players from Day 2 of the Las Vegas Summer League:


Devin Booker, Phoenix Suns: A

After averaging 19.2 points following the All-Star break as a rookie, Booker is overqualified to play in Las Vegas, and he showed it during Saturday's opener for the Suns.

Booker was automatic when open beyond the arc, making three triples in five attempts, and also showed improvement creating his own shot off the dribble and setting up teammates en route to 28 points, eight rebounds and six assists. Eleven of those points came in a stretch of less than three minutes during the third quarter.

Dragan Bender, Phoenix Suns: A-

The No. 4 overall pick was more impressive than his stat line (12 points and seven rebounds) would suggest. While he couldn't find the touch from beyond the arc, missing six of his seven 3-point attempts, Bender impacted the game in myriad other ways.

He was effective with the ball in his hands, pushing the ball off defensive rebounds and beating defenders off the dribble to set up good scoring opportunities. Bender also knocked down a couple of hook shots.

Jaylen Brown, Boston Celtics: D+

After missing Boston's last two games in Salt Lake City with a hyperextended knee, Brown returned with another inefficient performance. He shot just 3-of-13 from the field en route to nine points.

Unlike in his first summer game, Brown wasn't able to draw fouls on his forays to the rim, and struggled to convert inside. That left Brown dependent on his inconsistent jumper.

At the defensive end, Brown remained overly aggressive against pump fakes, leading to fouls and breakdowns.

Marquese Chriss, Phoenix Suns: D

While Bender and Booker impressed, it was a rough start for Phoenix's other lottery pick. Chriss missed eight of his 10 shot attempts, forcing things with the ball in his hands and struggling to finish around the rim despite his impressive athleticism -- including three shots that got blocked.

The reviews were worse defensively, where Chriss frequently found himself out of position and got caught reaching the wrong way when defending one-on-one.

Brandon Ingram, L.A. Lakers: C-

The night after an impressive debut, Ingram didn't nearly have the same impact in his second game. He didn't make his first basket until hitting a jumper with just under six minutes left in the fourth quarter and finished 3-of-12, one of those makes a jumper with his foot on the 3-point line.

Ingram's ability to push the ball on defensive rebounds remained valuable, but the Philadelphia 76ers had Jerami Grant pick him up full court to expose Ingram's need to improve his handle under pressure.

T.J. McConnell, Philadelphia 76ers: B+

It was McConnell, not No. 1 pick Ben Simmons, who had the ball in his hands late in the game. He made a layup with 1.8 seconds left that looked like the game-winner and celebrated with an aggressive fist pump, emblematic of how hard McConnell played all game.

At times, he got in trouble by turning the ball over while attempting to make a highlight play, but overall it was a strong effort from McConnell.

Larry Nance Jr., L.A. Lakers: A

Nance had one of the craziest stat lines you'll ever see in any basketball game: 13 points, eight rebounds, seven steals, four assists and four blocks.

According to Basketball-Reference.com, Hakeem Olajuwon and Gerald Wallace are the two players to match or exceed each of those numbers (in a regular-season NBA game) since 1983-84.

While the Lakers-heavy crowd at Thomas & Mack loved all of it, a pair of powerful Nance dunks drew the loudest chants of "Larry! Larry!" (an NBA Summer League tradition at this point) and even "MVP!" Nance's game was marred only by his five turnovers.

Bobby Portis, Chicago Bulls: B+

Portis was dominant during the first half, scoring 15 of his 17 points. As he did last year in Las Vegas, Portis showed comfortable NBA 3-point range. And unlike most players during summer league, Portis plays hard, helping him pile up 13 rebounds.

During the third quarter, Portis matched up one-on-one against Brown and generally got the better of him, though he didn't finish after losing him on an up-and-under.

D'Angelo Russell, L.A. Lakers: B

After making the winning shot, Russell told the ESPN2 audience, "I played like (expletive)" in the first half. That's true -- Russell was 2-of-9 from the field with five turnovers before halftime. But all was forgiven after his late heroics.

The winning 3 was one of three Russell made in the second half, all of them off the dribble. That ability to pull up off the pick-and-roll may ultimately force defenses to trap Russell and put themselves in a bad spot defensively, along the lines of players like Stephen Curry and Damian Lillard.

Alas, Russell will have to put in more effort to stay in front of his man defensively. He was victimized by many of McConnell's drives.

Ben Simmons, Philadelphia 76ers: B+

Both the strengths and weaknesses of Simmons' game were on full display during his debut in Vegas. On the plus side of the ledger, Simmons came within two assists of a triple-double and threw a series of incredible passes. He threaded the ball between defenders for a McConnell layup, and then to start a sequence that saw McConnell feed a teammate for a 3.

Yet much as he did in Utah, Simmons struggled to finish around the basket -- particularly when going left, since he's a right-handed finisher despite shooting jumpers left-handed. And his tendency to look for the highlight play resulted in seven turnovers. Overall, though, Simmons added much more than he subtracted.

Denzel Valentine, Chicago Bulls: D

Valentine started his first game by finding center Cristiano Felicio from midcourt for a layup. That was about as good as it got for Valentine, who simply could not find the range from the NBA 3. A 44 percent 3-point shooter last season at Michigan State, Valentine missed all nine of his long-range tries on Saturday.

Turnovers were also costly for Valentine, who coughed it up four times.
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Re: 2016 NBA Summer League 

Post#522 » by LacosteM » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:07 pm

Thanks.
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Post#523 » by darealjuice » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:11 pm

LacosteM wrote:Thanks.


Yup no problem. For future reference, you can scrape articles off of insider on http://insider2text.xyz
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Post#524 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:18 pm

JMac1 wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:Bender shot poorly but player well, I love how he moves without the ball. He defiantly plays more like a 3 with the height of a 4. He kinda plays like a small guy with his array of shots which makes him have a chance to be special BC it will be tough for people to effect shots of his when driving to the hoop.


Bad shooting game but he showed ability and brains.



Exactly. You have to know what you are doing to get wide-open shots, and totally within the flow of the offense. Not for you, but for some people who are calling taking wide open shots "chucking" need to stop. Just because you miss doesn't mean you chuck, just because you make doesn't mean you aren't chucking (Curry, Klay).

Dragan was not chucking.


Those shots are gonna start falling no doubt. With the way he is aggressive, he is going to be a dangerous scorer. He is more fluid than I thought, he is aggressive on the glass, he was flying around everywhere. He showed some alpha dog out there. Also love that he stopped shooting threes when they weren't going. Also like that Booker was in his ear letting him know never to be frustrated, and sharing how his own summerleague started (missed something like his first 14 shots), and to keep doing what he is doing, Booker at 19 years old is a very effective motivator and leader, the kid is really amazing, we are lucky Book slipped to us last year. Bender, even with the tough shooting game, proved to me what the front office saw. The unicorn skillet is there for sure.
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Post#525 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:22 pm

Superhuman wrote:Was at the game yesterday. Bender, even tho played poorly, I can still see good potential in him. He's s legit 7 footer not afraid to shoot from anywhere in the court. I noticed in the first quarter he would keep rubbing his lower back during dead balls and time outs. But I'm hoping that's a non issue.

I was really impressed by Ulis and Chriss. Hopefully Ulis can get some burn this season like 10-12 mins a game. Chriss has a nice array of post moves. A future PF tandem of Bender and with Chriss at the backup spot could be deadly.

Booker has all the confidence in the world and I believe is gonna have a breakout season. No reason why he shouldn't be starting.


He got fouled on a drive to the hoop and went down awkwardly and kept rubbing that spot afterward. Probably tweaked it a little but it didn't seem to effect the way he was moving.
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Post#526 » by sunsbg » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:08 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Look - Bender was incredible. Shot not falling, sure. But he was everywhere. He'll be a defensive monster in this league.

In the halfcourt, Chriss will be the better shot creator. He has a ton of potential as a go-to scorer and as a finisher. There was a play where Ulis penetrated and dished underneath to Williams - but Chriss was also there for the lob. Ulis had two options to finish that play. Defenses are going to have a really hard time if we have that sort of finishing ability. He's also a threat to block just about any shot.

After watching them Bender and Chriss play on the same court... I can't believe Boston passed Bender up. He was obviously the best pick at 4. Guys like this come around... never? Or I guess, just this once? He really is a lot like Kirilenko, but taller, with better ball handling skills and a jumper. This kid could put us over the top. Chriss is more of a project, so it was right to pass him up for Bender and grab him at 8.

These two can clearly play together. Bender right now is a 3, and Chriss a 4. It's pretty obvious that they can play together, as Chriss has the body weight to guard bigs and the hops to protect the rim, while Bender has everything you need in a perimeter forward. When evaluating summer league play, it's better to focus on HOW they play rather than their production. If you watched that, and Bender didn't make your jaw drop... I don't know what to tell you.

It's still a two-team race for best young team in the league - us and Minny. At this point, I don't think anyone else comes close.

:D


Sixers don't look that far away on paper. Simmons and Saric are special point-forward talents, then you have Okafor, Noel, Embiid + probably a higher pick than both Wolves and Suns in next years potencial stars filled draft.
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Post#527 » by NTB » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:13 pm

D'Angelo - Clarkson - Ingram - Larry Nance jr. - Randle is not a bad core either.
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Post#528 » by gaspar » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:28 pm

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Post#529 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:36 pm

OK - who among you wanted us to draft James Young at #14?

Come now, and feast upon your crow! :lol:
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Post#530 » by rsavaj » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:44 pm

these Ben Simmons passing highlights are gorgeous
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Post#531 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:45 pm

sunsbg wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:It's still a two-team race for best young team in the league - us and Minny. At this point, I don't think anyone else comes close.

:D


Sixers don't look that far away on paper. Simmons and Saric are special point-forward talents, then you have Okafor, Noel, Embiid + probably a higher pick than both Wolves and Suns in next years potencial stars filled draft.


NTB wrote:D'Angelo - Clarkson - Ingram - Larry Nance jr. - Randle is not a bad core either.


Good point on Philly. Simmons is an elite talent. A lot depends on Embiid, but Saric is a good player - who knows exactly HOW good - and Noel and Okafor are pretty solid trade chips. Covington is an NBA player and Luwawu and Korkmaz could also be solid. So yeah, they're in the conversation too.

Wrt the Lakers - I don't really like their young talent as a whole. Nance is solid, and Clarkson is a good player. Ingram could be great. D'Angelo... eh. Objectively, he may be about as valuable as TJ at this point. Not a fan of Randle. They're good to the extent that Ingram is good, IMO. In addition to what I consider to be our advantage in terms of talent, the fact that they'll have to rely on FA or trades to build in light of their draft pick situation puts us firmly ahead, IMO.

The Nugs could also be in this conversation. I liked Jamal Murray a whole lot coming out. How good are Jokic and Mudiay? They seem to have a lot of pretty good young players, but I don't think any of them rise to the level of Booker or Bender in terms of talent.

If we had the opportunity to trade whole rosters and assets with any of these teams, the only team I'd consider is the Wolves, because of KAT. And I don't think Wolves fans would consider making that deal with anyone. So advantage Wolves, I guess. I prefer our talent to theirs, personally, but that's probably fan bias talking. That's okay - I am, in fact, just a fan. I wouldn't switch places with any other team in the league. :)
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Post#532 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:50 pm

Booker is infusing his attitude into our rookies.
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Post#533 » by LacosteM » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:57 pm

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LacosteM wrote:Thanks.


Yup no problem. For future reference, you can scrape articles off of insider on http://insider2text.xyz


Awesome. Thanks bruh.
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Post#534 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:10 pm

Can't wait for some more Young Suns action tonight!
SHAZAM!

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Post#535 » by NTB » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:13 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:Can't wait for some more Young Suns action tonight!


It will be at 05.30 am for me but I'll watch it anyways. I love these kids!
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Re: 2016 NBA Summer League 

Post#536 » by LukasBMW » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:05 pm

NTB wrote:Think about Booker, Warren, Bender with Ulis at PG, Ulis would get 15 assists with those great off-ball cutters.


Agree 100%

I can't wait to see a 2/3/4 of Booker/Warren/Bender.

-Good-great shooting.
-Phenomenal cutting
-Extremely high IQ
-Versatility and the ability to score all over the floor
-Good height

I hope we see it a lot this year.

Run them with Ulius or even run them with Bledsoe and Len at the 1 & 5.

Can you imagine Bledoe an Len on the two man attack/pick and roll on the right side and Booker/Bender on the two man attack on the left side with TJ playing sweeper?
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Post#537 » by Matt1979 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:14 pm

NTB wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Can't wait for some more Young Suns action tonight!


It will be at 05.30 am for me but I'll watch it anyways. I love these kids!


3.30am for me so not watching it live. Will watch tomorrow evening. It's been a looooong, busy weekend.
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Post#538 » by NTB » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:28 pm

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Post#539 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:02 pm

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It's Big Sauce or Beast Warrior
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Post#540 » by 8on » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:34 pm

as much as i doubted Bender during the draft process, i saw him do things i've never seen one person do. he made plays, set up in the corner, is so light on his feet.

i've never seen anything like it. Chriss could be a monster.

Booker did his thing. Ulis is going to make him better during the season.

i absolutely believe we should be the main attraction at summer league. no team has more potential than us.

super excited....

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