2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[BobbieL]

Think about how desperate the Lakers could be to move cap space next week.

They are touted as favourites to get LeBron and George in 2018 and need to dump at least one of Mozgov or Deng to get a support cast.

The taboo of taking big losses in GM decisions isn't a factor as Magic has a clean slate.

They avoid another tricky issue of passing on Ball by trading down to 4.

I think I'm talking myself into the possibility of this happening.

I think for me it would take a lot more than moving from 4 to 2 and taking on either Deng or Mozgov. I think first thing the Lakers would have to take Knight and second, the Suns would need to get Tarik Black

Also, that means moving Chandler for no cap space

Make this HURT the Lakers for taking a contract - and that means not only the 2nd pick but a solid player

[Frank Lee]

trade 4 for #2 and Moz....
then #2 for #5 and #10
then #10 + Knight for Nets #20

We turn #4 and Knight into #5, #20 and Mozgov

Select Monk at #5


No pressure to trade Bled
No need to sign Len


Your welcome,

[bwgood77]

I don't think we will pay $48 million (Mozgov) or $54 million (Deng) to move up 2 spots. Sounds a little pricey to me.

[BobbieL]

I don't think we will pay $48 million (Mozgov) or $54 million (Deng) to move up 2 spots. Sounds a little pricey to me.

If you do this - you are helping the Lakers get better quicker by giving them cap space. I am on record as saying if there were two choices in the lottery:

1) Suns get 1 and Lakers get 2 or 3

2) Suns get 5 and Lakers get 4

I wanted option 2 as that meant the Lakers would lose picks in 2017 and 2019. Yes, call me stupid but I am vindictive and cant stand the lakers and want them to suck for life!

So, if you do the Mozgov and 4 for 2 - you are helping a division rival. Think about that. So, if you do this trade it has to be more than just Mozgoz and the 4 for number 2. The Suns need another asset from the Lakers. This deal has to HURT the Lakers help the Suns. Bwgood point out something - Len is 7 years younger than Moz and probably just as talented at this time. And he can probably get better. So am I saying no the deal altogether. No. Am I am saying no in this version - yes. Suns need another asset - and a good one. Tarik Black - maybe. Rather the Lakers take back Knight but that doesn't help there cap. My deal would be this

Randle, Mozgov and the 2 for the Suns 4 and the worse of the Suns Miami or Phoenix pick in 2018 if you need to add a pick. Key thing, the lower of the two

[Sunzgunz]

trade 4 for #2 and Moz....
then #2 for #5 and #10
then #10 + Knight for Nets #20

We turn #4 and Knight into #5, #20 and Mozgov

Select Monk at #5


No pressure to trade Bled
No need to sign Len


Your welcome,

I like it! I don't think now is the right time to trade knight though. His value is about a low as it's ever been. If u fell that it has absolutely no chances of improving even in the slightest...
Bite the bullet and sell. See if circumstances can create a situation where as desperate as we are to get rid of him, someone is equally as desperate to add him just before the trade deadline in hopes that he may be their final piece.

Wishful thinking, but how cool would it be to turn the 4 into the 5 and 10, then turn the 5 into a 6 and and 25.

#4 for #6, #10 And #25

Even more wishful thinking on top of that (based on previous mock drafts and certain people falling in them..emphasis on very wishful..lol)

What if #6, #10, #25 And #32 became: Jonathan Isaac, Dennis Smith, Jarrett Allen and Jawun Evans
Very crowded roster, but what a problem to have. Potentially the best suns draft ever potentially best draft ever!

[Frank Lee]

i would think if McD thinks he has any shot at landing Hayward, he'd be very cautious taking on salary. Taking on Moz to move up has to be contingent on the domino-ing deals to follow.

This offseason recap will likely read
'we tried to trade up, but couldn't so picked what we thought was the BPA....we tried to trade back into the lotto but found no takers... we were in the running for two or three prominent Free Agents but they opted to go elsewhere.... but we are really happy with our efforts and look forward to this new season'

[Frank Lee]

BTW.... how did the Nuggets and Rockets get into the CPaul sweepstakes???

[Sunzgunz]

Btw, a non Suns fan posted this, an intriguing idea worth mentioning:

If ball, 6'6" with a good wingspan falls to the suns, they should use pick 32, and/or one of next years picks, or Bledsoe and grab Jonathan isaac.

His point was imagine all the length and mismatches. Your 3, 4 and 5 (chriss, isaac and bender) all practically 7 footers who could each run pick and roll with ball and spacing the court with their range. The space and opportunities that would give ball and your shortest player, Devin booker

Sub in 6'8" tj warren, with practically 3 7-footers and your long 6'6" point guard.....there would never be a shortage of size and mismatches!

[bwgood77]

BTW.... how did the Nuggets and Rockets get into the CPaul sweepstakes???

Probably because the Spurs might not be able to clear cap space so if Blake leaves he probably wants a backup plan. Both have more talent than the Clippers without Blake. Denver seems intriguing because they should take another step forward regardless just because Jokic, Harris and Murray are older. They also have a good mix of vets and young guys....so they are a fringe playoff team without Paul and would probably be top 4 with him. Not sure how him and Harden would co-exist since they are both so ball dominant though.

[BobbieL]

BTW.... how did the Nuggets and Rockets get into the CPaul sweepstakes???

Probably because the Spurs might not be able to clear cap space so if Blake leaves he probably wants a backup plan. Both have more talent than the Clippers without Blake. Denver seems intriguing because they should take another step forward regardless just because Jokic, Harris and Murray are older. They also have a good mix of vets and young guys....so they are a fringe playoff team without Paul and would probably be top 4 with him. Not sure how him and Harden would co-exist since they are both so ball dominant though.

Right, Pelton did something on the Spurs - I think it was him. The Spurs had a "lot of work" to do to get CP3. Including either buying out out Tony Parker like the Suns did with Beasley - spreading out the cap rather. Trading Aldridge, renouncing Manu, Dedmon, Simmons. Don't do it Sarver - do not take on LMA now - don't trade with those guys. They are pretty smart

I don't see CP3 going to Denver - just from a market/team perspective. Maybe that is selling the Nuggets short.

Houston - possibly but if Harden handles the ball - doesn't make sense

But the Nuggets might make the most sense over the next 4 years to win and be the asset. S&T with Nuggets - Clippers get Mudiay maybe

[LofJ]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

[bwgood77]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

In a New York minute.

[BobbieL]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

In fact, I would add Toronto 2nd round pick this year to give to Charlotte to do this deal if the Suns didn't need it to combine with 32 to move up

Granted - it means that you gave up that "Nash pick" for nothing but that ship has already sailed

Suns would have 6m of cap space this year and would be done with Knight. Belinelli would be fine

[LofJ]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

In a New York minute.

He definitely doesn't have a place on your team anymore, I hope you guys can find a decent deal to move on. We need bench scoring and he could provide that, so maybe he could revive his career with us.

[BobbieL]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

In a New York minute.

He definitely doesn't have a place on your team anymore, I hope you guys can find a decent deal to move on. We need bench scoring and he could provide that, so maybe he could revive his career with us.

Good trade suggestion and if Charlotte is willing to take on a slot of salary for three years more than Sessions, who can be waived and Bellinelli who is expiring.

So based on this deal or the Cavs deal for Shumpert, two deals for Knight are out there.

[TeamTragic]

Would you guys trade Knight for Bellineli, Sessions, and a 2nd?

You could waive Sessions and Bellineli is an expiring. We'd buy one of Philly's better 2017 or 2018 2nds because I don't think Cleveland's 2018 2nd is enough.

You've made me suspicious. Are you going to turn Knight into a Buddy Hield-type player?

[TeamTragic]

I'm going to predict that McD gets canned. Traded IT for nothing and helped his buddy Ainge. Ainge used IT to sign Horford. Now he builds around IT.

Just picked up Butler and future picks. Maybe Hayward in FA. Then next year the Brooklyn unprotected. Sarver will fire his ass guaranteed.

[ATTL]

I'm going to predict that McD gets canned. Traded IT for nothing and helped his buddy Ainge. Ainge used IT to sign Horford. Now he builds around IT.

Adding Butler and a solid pick. Maybe Hayward in FA. Then next year the Brooklyn unprotected. Sarver will fire his ass guaranteed.

Nobody wanted IT, I dont think people will pay big bucks for him next summer either.

[TeamTragic]

I'm going to predict that McD gets canned. Traded IT for nothing and helped his buddy Ainge. Ainge used IT to sign Horford. Now he builds around IT.

Adding Butler and a solid pick. Maybe Hayward in FA. Then next year the Brooklyn unprotected. Sarver will fire his ass guaranteed.

Nobody wanted IT, I dont think people will pay big bucks for him next summer either.

Based on what information?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm going to predict that McD gets canned. Traded IT for nothing and helped his buddy Ainge. Ainge used IT to sign Horford. Now he builds around IT.

Adding Butler and a solid pick. Maybe Hayward in FA. Then next year the Brooklyn unprotected. Sarver will fire his ass guaranteed.

Nobody wanted IT, I dont think people will pay big bucks for him next summer either.

Based on what information?

Well literally any team with more than 6.5M in cap space could have signed him that summer.

IMO if McD was going to get fired for a move it's the whole Knightmare that should do him in not that IT move.