Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[BobbieL]

Sign Exum
Sign Looney

Get rid of Chandler
Sign Evans


Defense, versatility and shooting

For Chandleer - without giving up a pick - what contracts are the Suns willing to take. So looking at teams that I think might want some cap flexibility down the road:

Charlotte - I have mentioned them so aside from them

Atlanta - Bazemore or Miles Plumlee

mMagic: I know the Magic would move Biyombo - but don't want him. Fournier - or too many years, too many dollars

Portland: Meyers Leonard and Harkless or Aminu - not sure Meyers is worth taking on plus the Blazers would need to probably take Dudley

Detroit - not touching Drummond when you canget Ayton

Denver - expiring for expiring like Chandler for Wilson Chandler or Faried -

Brooklyn: Mozgov - keep walking

Wizards - maybe Ian Mahimi - but he is not good

its pretty tough to find a match without adding a pick from what I can tell

While im not the biggest Kemba fan (And think Evans could bring more to the table for us and for cheaper), i wouldnt be opposed to something like Kemba/Howard for Chandler/Warren/Chriss/#16. Kemba would fill in that starting PG spot, and Howard would be a big body to bring off the bench for Ayton. Give him good competition to go against in practice daily, and maybe could help teach him a thing or two about defense.

Sure people will have an issue with D12 like, "Oh he is trash!", but just like Chandler, he is expiring and would actually provide something on the court with the minutes given, and can you put a price on helping Ayton develop and learn from a 8× NBA All-Star and 3x Defensive Player of the Year?

Pre-Free Agency
Walker/Knight
Booker/??????
Jackson/Dudley
Bender/Peters
Ayton/Howard/Sauce

I think Dudley would have to be included actually - Howard and Kemba are $35m but Chandler, WArren and Chriss are only 27-28m

This deal would eat up a lot of the Suns cap - so is Kemba worth it as the only free agent move. I just am not sure if we have to take Howard unless they Daniels, Dudley and Chandler

[In2ition]

Sign Exum
Sign Looney

Get rid of Chandler
Sign Evans


Defense, versatility and shooting

For Chandleer - without giving up a pick - what contracts are the Suns willing to take. So looking at teams that I think might want some cap flexibility down the road:

Charlotte - I have mentioned them so aside from them

Atlanta - Bazemore or Miles Plumlee

Magic: I know the Magic would move Biyombo - but don't want him. Fournier - or too many years, too many dollars

Portland: Meyers Leonard and Harkless or Aminu - not sure Meyers is worth taking on plus the Blazers would need to probably take Dudley

Detroit - not touching Drummond when you canget Ayton

Denver - expiring for expiring like Chandler for Wilson Chandler or Faried -

Brooklyn: Mozgov - keep walking

Wizards - maybe Ian Mahimi - but he is not good

its pretty tough to find a match without adding a pick from what I can tell

While im not the biggest Kemba fan (And think Evans could bring more to the table for us and for cheaper), i wouldnt be opposed to something like Kemba/Howard for Chandler/Warren/Chriss/#16. Kemba would fill in that starting PG spot, and Howard would be a big body to bring off the bench for Ayton. Give him good competition to go against in practice daily, and maybe could help teach him a thing or two about defense.

Sure people will have an issue with D12 like, "Oh he is trash!", but just like Chandler, he is expiring and would actually provide something on the court with the minutes given, and can you put a price on helping Ayton develop and learn from a 8× NBA All-Star and 3x Defensive Player of the Year?

Pre-Free Agency
Walker/Knight
Booker/??????
Jackson/Dudley
Bender/Peters
Ayton/Howard/Sauce

I'm not a huge Howard fan, but for what he brings and challenges Ayton each day, he might be worth it. Another factor in this is that Ayton could conceivably play the pf with Howard at center from time to time. If Jackson could greatly improve his jump shot this summer, there is some good spacing, defense and shooting. Add in a good offensive mind in Igor, this could be interesting if nothing else. I would be sad to see Warren and Chriss go though, as I could see both making even better strides this year.

[BobbieL]

For Chandleer - without giving up a pick - what contracts are the Suns willing to take. So looking at teams that I think might want some cap flexibility down the road:

Charlotte - I have mentioned them so aside from them

Atlanta - Bazemore or Miles Plumlee

Magic: I know the Magic would move Biyombo - but don't want him. Fournier - or too many years, too many dollars

Portland: Meyers Leonard and Harkless or Aminu - not sure Meyers is worth taking on plus the Blazers would need to probably take Dudley

Detroit - not touching Drummond when you canget Ayton

Denver - expiring for expiring like Chandler for Wilson Chandler or Faried -

Brooklyn: Mozgov - keep walking

Wizards - maybe Ian Mahimi - but he is not good

its pretty tough to find a match without adding a pick from what I can tell

While im not the biggest Kemba fan (And think Evans could bring more to the table for us and for cheaper), i wouldnt be opposed to something like Kemba/Howard for Chandler/Warren/Chriss/#16. Kemba would fill in that starting PG spot, and Howard would be a big body to bring off the bench for Ayton. Give him good competition to go against in practice daily, and maybe could help teach him a thing or two about defense.

Sure people will have an issue with D12 like, "Oh he is trash!", but just like Chandler, he is expiring and would actually provide something on the court with the minutes given, and can you put a price on helping Ayton develop and learn from a 8× NBA All-Star and 3x Defensive Player of the Year?

Pre-Free Agency
Walker/Knight
Booker/??????
Jackson/Dudley
Bender/Peters
Ayton/Howard/Sauce

I'm not a huge Howard fan, but for what he brings and challenges Ayton each day, he might be worth it. Another factor in this is that Ayton could conceivably play the pf with Howard at center from time to time. If Jackson could greatly improve his jump shot this summer, there is some good spacing, defense and shooting. Add in a good offensive mind in Igor, this could be interesting if nothing else. I would be sad to see Warren and Chriss go though, as I could see both making even better strides this year.

I think upon further review - would probably do this deal if this is the best use of Chandler/Dudley funds Ryan came come up - the Suns are basically swapping expiring for expriings Dudley/Chandler for Howard

Kemba is Warren, Chriss and the 16th pick

If Dudley is included - the Suns would have 14m of cap space - with Ulis and Williams on the roster. If Dudley is not included, Williams/Ulis probably need to be released to have any other space to improve the roster.

[jcsunsfan]

While im not the biggest Kemba fan (And think Evans could bring more to the table for us and for cheaper), i wouldnt be opposed to something like Kemba/Howard for Chandler/Warren/Chriss/#16. Kemba would fill in that starting PG spot, and Howard would be a big body to bring off the bench for Ayton. Give him good competition to go against in practice daily, and maybe could help teach him a thing or two about defense.

Sure people will have an issue with D12 like, "Oh he is trash!", but just like Chandler, he is expiring and would actually provide something on the court with the minutes given, and can you put a price on helping Ayton develop and learn from a 8× NBA All-Star and 3x Defensive Player of the Year?

Pre-Free Agency
Walker/Knight
Booker/??????
Jackson/Dudley
Bender/Peters
Ayton/Howard/Sauce

I'm not a huge Howard fan, but for what he brings and challenges Ayton each day, he might be worth it. Another factor in this is that Ayton could conceivably play the pf with Howard at center from time to time. If Jackson could greatly improve his jump shot this summer, there is some good spacing, defense and shooting. Add in a good offensive mind in Igor, this could be interesting if nothing else. I would be sad to see Warren and Chriss go though, as I could see both making even better strides this year.

I think upon further review - would probably do this deal if this is the best use of Chandler/Dudley funds Ryan came come up - the Suns are basically swapping expiring for expriings Dudley/Chandler for Howard

Kemba is Warren, Chriss and the 16th pick

If Dudley is included - the Suns would have 14m of cap space - with Ulis and Williams on the roster. If Dudley is not included, Williams/Ulis probably need to be released to have any other space to improve the roster.

Kemba scares me as being one of those ball dominant players on bad teams who have inflated numbers.

[thamadkant]

That Hornets trade for Walker and Howard.

And assuming Ayton is drafted...

I would make Ayton and Howard start and have a twin tower setup and have Ayton play the roaming role similar to his Arizona role... Howard is a heck of an upgrade over Ristic


Then have Booker and Walker focus on 3pt shooting and Jackson Slashing.

The bench players need to be full of shooters though

[lilfishi22]

That Hornets trade for Walker and Howard.

And assuming Ayton is drafted...

I would make Ayton and Howard start and have a twin tower setup and have Ayton play the roaming role similar to his Arizona role... Howard is a heck of an upgrade over Ristic


Then have Booker and Walker focus on 3pt shooting and Jackson Slashing.

The bench players need to be full of shooters though

That's a recipe for disaster. Makes more sense starting Ayton with Bender with their in and out game

[bwgood77]

That Hornets trade for Walker and Howard.

And assuming Ayton is drafted...

I would make Ayton and Howard start and have a twin tower setup and have Ayton play the roaming role similar to his Arizona role... Howard is a heck of an upgrade over Ristic


Then have Booker and Walker focus on 3pt shooting and Jackson Slashing.

The bench players need to be full of shooters though

That's a recipe for disaster. Makes more sense starting Ayton with Bender with their in and out game

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[Frank Lee]

That Hornets trade for Walker and Howard.

And assuming Ayton is drafted...

I would make Ayton and Howard start and have a twin tower setup and have Ayton play the roaming role similar to his Arizona role... Howard is a heck of an upgrade over Ristic


Then have Booker and Walker focus on 3pt shooting and Jackson Slashing.

The bench players need to be full of shooters though

That's a recipe for disaster. Makes more sense starting Ayton with Bender with their in and out game

Hehe
Bender has an ‘out’ game?

PF is a position we desperately need production from. May be Bender’s balls drop this year and he mans up.... else he becomes a proverbial back up. I’m expecting Chriss to contribute more, if he makes the cut and doesn’t get dealt.

Just get Randle regardless of who we draft

[lilfishi22]

If we got Ayton, I think the front court would be set. But Bender and Ayton would both need to make leaps in order for us to be respectable defensively

[DirtyDez]

Lowry dropped off a bit but still averaged 16/7/6 and shot 40% from 3. It would depend on how willing they are to dump him without getting a better pick than #16.

[Saberestar]

That Hornets trade for Walker and Howard.

And assuming Ayton is drafted...

I would make Ayton and Howard start and have a twin tower setup and have Ayton play the roaming role similar to his Arizona role... Howard is a heck of an upgrade over Ristic


Then have Booker and Walker focus on 3pt shooting and Jackson Slashing.

The bench players need to be full of shooters though

I do not think that is a good idea. Ayton needs to play C next to a perimeter PF IMO.

[Kerrsed]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23587500/former-all-star-amare-stoudemire-says-considering-nba-comeback-35

[lilfishi22]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23587500/former-all-star-amare-stoudemire-says-considering-nba-comeback-35

If Steve and Amare were in good shape, how many games better or worse would we be if they played 20mpg, in the same line up together?

[Waylay13]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23587500/former-all-star-amare-stoudemire-says-considering-nba-comeback-35

If Steve and Amare were in good shape, how many games better or worse would we be if they played 20mpg, in the same line up together?

If Nash were able to play 20 mpg right now for the Suns I would expect that he would lead to 15 additional wins just due what he could do on the court.

[Walt_Uoob]

I know a Towns trade is unlikely but I worked this up anyway [http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa92qll ] with Suns/Grizzlies/Wolves, which doesn't work in the trade machine now but I think could work this summer once we renounce some players.

Wolves out: Towns, Dieng, Aldrich
Wolves in: Gasol, Warren, probably #16 or other draft considerations from PHX
Wolves why: Gasol and Warren would be win-now pieces who should fit well with Thibodeau. Warren becomes their sixth man behind Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Gibson-Gasol and/or plays the 4 at times. They get out of Dieng's contract, throw in Aldrich mostly as filler, and maybe get a draft pick or so too.

Grizzlies out: Gasol, Parsons, #4
Grizzlies in: Towns, Chandler, Dudley
Grizzlies why: Assuming Doncic and Ayton are unavailable, Gasol + #4 for Towns is a fair price and gives them a player under control for the foreseeable future to reshape the team on the fly alongside Conley, Brooks, etc., who's much more ready to contribute than the likes of JJJ/Bamba/Bagley/etc likely to be on the board at that point. They save a bunch of money next year when Chandler and Dudley expire.

Suns out: Warren, Chandler, Dudley, and likely some draft considerations
Suns in: #4, Dieng, Aldrich, Parsons
Suns why: All about going all-in for a second high pick in this draft. Dieng's contract is long and biggish but he contributes. Parsons is the dead weight required to turn Warren, cap space, and other picks into this year's #4.

[BobbieL]

IF we are rosterbating and the Suns have Doncic as their top player (which is from the Ayton Doncic thread that Doncic might be slipping though the Suns seem to be researching him more) - combined with if the CAvs lose and they want to move Kevin Love:

Kings Out: Koufos, Cauley Stein, Randolph (or Shumpert) and the 2nd pick
Kings in: Knight Chandler, Daniels, 1st pick - Kings are taking on $20m (like 5m in 18/19 and $15m in 19/20) for Ayton

Cleveland Out: Love
Cleveland In: Randolph or Shumpert or Dudley + TJ Warren, draft pick (s)
-- cavaliers get expirings plus a young player in WArren plus draft picks for Love

Suns Out: Chandler, Knight (maybe Dudley or Shumpert or RAndolph), Warren, draft pick (s)
Suns In: Cauley STein, 2nd pick, Love , Koufos - (and they will have two expirings left over to buy out, whatever)

Cauley Stein plays the 5 - Doncic, Booker, Jackson, are your core, and more cap room both short term and moving Knights deal long term, Koufos is back up center for one year.

[Biff]

I know a Towns trade is unlikely but I worked this up anyway [http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa92qll ] with Suns/Grizzlies/Wolves, which doesn't work in the trade machine now but I think could work this summer once we renounce some players.

Wolves out: Towns, Dieng, Aldrich
Wolves in: Gasol, Warren, probably #16 or other draft considerations from PHX
Wolves why: Gasol and Warren would be win-now pieces who should fit well with Thibodeau. Warren becomes their sixth man behind Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Gibson-Gasol and/or plays the 4 at times. They get out of Dieng's contract, throw in Aldrich mostly as filler, and maybe get a draft pick or so too.

Grizzlies out: Gasol, Parsons, #4
Grizzlies in: Towns, Chandler, Dudley
Grizzlies why: Assuming Doncic and Ayton are unavailable, Gasol + #4 for Towns is a fair price and gives them a player under control for the foreseeable future to reshape the team on the fly alongside Conley, Brooks, etc., who's much more ready to contribute than the likes of JJJ/Bamba/Bagley/etc likely to be on the board at that point. They save a bunch of money next year when Chandler and Dudley expire.

Suns out: Warren, Chandler, Dudley, and likely some draft considerations
Suns in: #4, Dieng, Aldrich, Parsons
Suns why: All about going all-in for a second high pick in this draft. Dieng's contract is long and biggish but he contributes. Parsons is the dead weight required to turn Warren, cap space, and other picks into this year's #4.

Suns make out like absolute bandits in this trade. It's a nice fantasy but 100% unrealistic.

Edit: I will say that if it were any other draft but this one this trade would probably be reasonable. But the top 6-7 guys in this draft all look like absolute studs and I doubt we're getting the #4 back just by absorbing contracts and giving up the #16. I don't think many people are as high on Warren as some are in this board.

[Walt_Uoob]

I know a Towns trade is unlikely but I worked this up anyway [http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa92qll ] with Suns/Grizzlies/Wolves, which doesn't work in the trade machine now but I think could work this summer once we renounce some players.

Wolves out: Towns, Dieng, Aldrich
Wolves in: Gasol, Warren, probably #16 or other draft considerations from PHX
Wolves why: Gasol and Warren would be win-now pieces who should fit well with Thibodeau. Warren becomes their sixth man behind Teague-Butler-Wiggins-Gibson-Gasol and/or plays the 4 at times. They get out of Dieng's contract, throw in Aldrich mostly as filler, and maybe get a draft pick or so too.

Grizzlies out: Gasol, Parsons, #4
Grizzlies in: Towns, Chandler, Dudley
Grizzlies why: Assuming Doncic and Ayton are unavailable, Gasol + #4 for Towns is a fair price and gives them a player under control for the foreseeable future to reshape the team on the fly alongside Conley, Brooks, etc., who's much more ready to contribute than the likes of JJJ/Bamba/Bagley/etc likely to be on the board at that point. They save a bunch of money next year when Chandler and Dudley expire.

Suns out: Warren, Chandler, Dudley, and likely some draft considerations
Suns in: #4, Dieng, Aldrich, Parsons
Suns why: All about going all-in for a second high pick in this draft. Dieng's contract is long and biggish but he contributes. Parsons is the dead weight required to turn Warren, cap space, and other picks into this year's #4.

Suns make out like absolute bandits in this trade. It's a nice fantasy but 100% unrealistic.

Edit: I will say that if it were any other draft but this one this trade would probably be reasonable. But the top 6-7 guys in this draft all look like absolute studs and I doubt we're getting the #4 back just by absorbing contracts and giving up the #16. I don't think many people are as high on Warren as some are in this board.

Yeah that's fair. Maybe if more draft picks went out from us (our own 2019, MIL/MIA future picks) it would even out, but I agree it's a tremendous longshot.

[lazyboy62]

Griz are said to be open to trading the four. Nbadraft.net has Donic at the 5. I would throw the 16, Mil. pick and Mia picks for Ayton and Donic. Jus saying. Now that would be a young core to build on.

[lazyboy62]

https://www.inquisitr.com/4904655/nba-trade-rumors-memphis-grizzlies-prefer-to-trade-down-in-the-nba-draft-sporting-news-suggest/

Says buzz out of the NBA Draft Combine is the Grizzlies are “ripe” for a move out of the #4 spot to move down and select either Mikal Bridges or Miles Bridges.

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