Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[grumpysaddle]

This is such horsesh*t. Saying all law enforcement are bastards is just as narrow minded as saying all black people are killers and thieves. It's just plain ignorance. There are good cops and bad cops. There are black cops and white cops. There are good people and bad people. Then there are idiots like Josh Jackson. If you get arrested for trying to sneak in a VIP area that's your freaking fault. It's called stupidity. Nothing fishy about it at all.

People choose to become cops. People don't choose their race. So it is nothing alike. I don't know why race was brought into this. So, sneaking into a VIP area is justifiably an arrest-able offense? Okay, sureeeeee....

Sneaking in means you didn't pay. It means you're stealing from somebody else. From the entertainment, from the staff working the show, from the concessioners, etc. A thief is a thief ... doesn't matter how it's done. It's knowing right-from-wrong. Just like you expect every cop to be perfect why can't Josh Jackson just pay his way. The stupid f*ck has millions of dollars. Go ahead and try to justify your position but Jackson is a thief and was stupid enough to get a misdemeanor for resisting arrest and then a felony charge for escape. You admitting to sneaking back stage makes you a thief too and I'm sure police have been all over your azz for stupid stuff you have done. That's your problem buddy. Maybe take a hard look at yourself and become a better member of society.

Not even justifying this with an answer. Have fun with the 'guilty until proven innocent' mindset!

[grumpysaddle]

It's funny, in my experience, those who have NOTHING but negative things to say about police are almost ALWAYS those who have dealt with them in the past and have been on the wrong side of the law according to the police. *I'm not talking about any poster here, I'm just talking about my experience*

But the VAST majority of people are neutral or have positive thoughts about the police because most people have only ever dealt with the police once, maybe twice every decade or so and very few of those encounters are ever negative. I live in Australia and perhaps it's less "heavy handed" here but even here, the only ones that have nothing good to say about the police are pretty much always those who for some reason have some kind of complex about "the man" trying to stop them from doing "nothing". Police don't give a **** about what most people do, they physically don't have the manpower to question each and every citizen about what they are doing, unless you give them a reason to. And in most circumstances where there is some suspicion of potential wrongdoing, it usually leads to a discussion and that's it.

This whole "all cops are dogs" mantra is only ever repeated by this small minority of society. But yet if all cops are bad cops then that same sentiment should be felt or at least be widely accepted by a much bigger majority. But it's just not the case. Perhaps because *most* people are law abiding citizen and *most* cops aren't bad cops.

You got me. I'm just sitting here doing everything I can to avoid being a law-abiding citizen. Meanwhile cops are shooting people and their pets first, asking questions later, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. It is probably less heavy handed in Australia. Things have been out of control in the states.

But anyway... I dislike Josh Jackson because he's a terrible basketball player. I don't watch sports for players' off-the-court antics. I'm sure he acted stupid from past experience, but everyone in the US is innocent until proven guilty, except on social media.

[Waylay13]

Guys Darius Garland is gonna be good. If we get #3 or lower we should worry about trading down to get him, depending on which teams need a point guard between us. I like Ja and I really like Zion, But Garland is a solid consolation prize with a magnificent stroke

He has already signed Rich Paul as his agent which makes him as close to person non grata as possible.

[bigfoot]

It's funny, in my experience, those who have NOTHING but negative things to say about police are almost ALWAYS those who have dealt with them in the past and have been on the wrong side of the law according to the police. *I'm not talking about any poster here, I'm just talking about my experience*

But the VAST majority of people are neutral or have positive thoughts about the police because most people have only ever dealt with the police once, maybe twice every decade or so and very few of those encounters are ever negative. I live in Australia and perhaps it's less "heavy handed" here but even here, the only ones that have nothing good to say about the police are pretty much always those who for some reason have some kind of complex about "the man" trying to stop them from doing "nothing". Police don't give a **** about what most people do, they physically don't have the manpower to question each and every citizen about what they are doing, unless you give them a reason to. And in most circumstances where there is some suspicion of potential wrongdoing, it usually leads to a discussion and that's it.

This whole "all cops are dogs" mantra is only ever repeated by this small minority of society. But yet if all cops are bad cops then that same sentiment should be felt or at least be widely accepted by a much bigger majority. But it's just not the case. Perhaps because *most* people are law abiding citizen and *most* cops aren't bad cops.

You got me. I'm just sitting here doing everything I can to avoid being a law-abiding citizen. Meanwhile cops are shooting people and their pets first, asking questions later, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. It is probably less heavy handed in Australia. Things have been out of control in the states.

But anyway... I dislike Josh Jackson because he's a terrible basketball player. I don't watch sports for players' off-the-court antics. I'm sure he acted stupid from past experience, but everyone in the US is innocent until proven guilty, except on social media.

Not sure why you can't see your major flaw in your logic ... according to you everyone is innocent until proven guilty except for your ACAB statement. Can't have it both ways dude.

[grumpysaddle]

It's funny, in my experience, those who have NOTHING but negative things to say about police are almost ALWAYS those who have dealt with them in the past and have been on the wrong side of the law according to the police. *I'm not talking about any poster here, I'm just talking about my experience*

But the VAST majority of people are neutral or have positive thoughts about the police because most people have only ever dealt with the police once, maybe twice every decade or so and very few of those encounters are ever negative. I live in Australia and perhaps it's less "heavy handed" here but even here, the only ones that have nothing good to say about the police are pretty much always those who for some reason have some kind of complex about "the man" trying to stop them from doing "nothing". Police don't give a **** about what most people do, they physically don't have the manpower to question each and every citizen about what they are doing, unless you give them a reason to. And in most circumstances where there is some suspicion of potential wrongdoing, it usually leads to a discussion and that's it.

This whole "all cops are dogs" mantra is only ever repeated by this small minority of society. But yet if all cops are bad cops then that same sentiment should be felt or at least be widely accepted by a much bigger majority. But it's just not the case. Perhaps because *most* people are law abiding citizen and *most* cops aren't bad cops.

You got me. I'm just sitting here doing everything I can to avoid being a law-abiding citizen. Meanwhile cops are shooting people and their pets first, asking questions later, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. It is probably less heavy handed in Australia. Things have been out of control in the states.

But anyway... I dislike Josh Jackson because he's a terrible basketball player. I don't watch sports for players' off-the-court antics. I'm sure he acted stupid from past experience, but everyone in the US is innocent until proven guilty, except on social media.

Not sure why you can't see your major flaw in your logic ... according to you everyone is innocent until proven guilty except for your ACAB statement. Can't have it both ways dude.

Being a bastard isn't a crime. Innocent of crimes until proven guilty, not innocent of a label. Anyway... I dont know why I'm involved in an argument on the internet. No one changes anyone's mind on a message board. People will continue to bend over and spread them for the police and I will continue to avoid them like the plague. Let's get back to talking about why Josh Jackson sucks at playing basketball.

[lilfishi22]

It's funny, in my experience, those who have NOTHING but negative things to say about police are almost ALWAYS those who have dealt with them in the past and have been on the wrong side of the law according to the police. *I'm not talking about any poster here, I'm just talking about my experience*

But the VAST majority of people are neutral or have positive thoughts about the police because most people have only ever dealt with the police once, maybe twice every decade or so and very few of those encounters are ever negative. I live in Australia and perhaps it's less "heavy handed" here but even here, the only ones that have nothing good to say about the police are pretty much always those who for some reason have some kind of complex about "the man" trying to stop them from doing "nothing". Police don't give a **** about what most people do, they physically don't have the manpower to question each and every citizen about what they are doing, unless you give them a reason to. And in most circumstances where there is some suspicion of potential wrongdoing, it usually leads to a discussion and that's it.

This whole "all cops are dogs" mantra is only ever repeated by this small minority of society. But yet if all cops are bad cops then that same sentiment should be felt or at least be widely accepted by a much bigger majority. But it's just not the case. Perhaps because *most* people are law abiding citizen and *most* cops aren't bad cops.

You got me. I'm just sitting here doing everything I can to avoid being a law-abiding citizen. Meanwhile cops are shooting people and their pets first, asking questions later, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. It is probably less heavy handed in Australia. Things have been out of control in the states.

But anyway... I dislike Josh Jackson because he's a terrible basketball player. I don't watch sports for players' off-the-court antics. I'm sure he acted stupid from past experience, but everyone in the US is innocent until proven guilty, except on social media.

Bad cops and corruption within the police force exists. But if we go by your logic then everything around us is bad and corrupt because it's not just within the police force; virtually everywhere someone is taking advantage of their position/authority for personal gain. We've seen it everywhere, even within religion, schools and charities. A few bad apples doesn't mean they are ALL bad.

JJ makes stupid decision on the court and he made a stupid decision by resisting arrest. Are they linked? Maybe, maybe not but he does have a history of poor decision making

[Kerrsed]

This is such horsesh*t. Saying all law enforcement are bastards is just as narrow minded as saying all black people are killers and thieves. It's just plain ignorance. There are good cops and bad cops. There are black cops and white cops. There are good people and bad people. Then there are idiots like Josh Jackson. If you get arrested for trying to sneak in a VIP area that's your freaking fault. It's called stupidity. Nothing fishy about it at all.

People choose to become cops. People don't choose their race. So it is nothing alike. I don't know why race was brought into this. So, sneaking into a VIP area is justifiably an arrest-able offense? Okay, sureeeeee....

Sneaking in means you didn't pay. It means you're stealing from somebody else. From the entertainment, from the staff working the show, from the concessioners, etc. A thief is a thief ... doesn't matter how it's done. It's knowing right-from-wrong. Just like you expect every cop to be perfect why can't Josh Jackson just pay his way. The stupid f*ck has millions of dollars. Go ahead and try to justify your position but Jackson is a thief and was stupid enough to get a misdemeanor for resisting arrest and then a felony charge for escape. You admitting to sneaking back stage makes you a thief too and I'm sure police have been all over your azz for stupid stuff you have done. That's your problem buddy. Maybe take a hard look at yourself and become a better member of society.

Honestly no one can say s**t until all the facts come out. There was a guy on twitter that said that Josh had been drinking and left the VIP area (Where Booker/Ayton/Oubre along with girlfriends and family was) and didnt have his pass on him. Security wouldnt let him re-enter because he didnt have his pass and didnt remember Josh. Josh tried a few times to talk his way back in and security wasnt having it. Josh was then trying to find another way in when security saw him and restrained him for the cops.

Sounds a lot more fee-sable than a young multi-millionaire trying to get out of paying for VIP (Which all his friends are in) and essentially "Stealing" the couple hundred dollars it cost for the VIP pass.

The stupid part of all this is leaving while he was handcuffed. Seems like he already pulled the "Do you know who i am" card with security trying to re-enter the VIP. When they have your name and the damn team you play pro ball for, even if you escape with handcuffs on, they know who you are and you are f**ked when they find you.

With that being said, i expect the charges will be dropped when he accepts the plea deal which will be for a much much much lessor offence. A felony for walking off in handcuffs is stupid. They hit you with that so they can later drop it for getting you to accept their plea deal. Scare you with the felony, so they get a guilty plea for the misdemeanor. Happens all the time. Look at McGregor. In Miami they slapped him with a felony charge for taking a guys iPhone 6 and breaking it....and then walking off with the broken pieces. Here we are months later and....charges dropped.

So yeah, lets hear the full story before jumping to conclusions on both sides.

[jredsaz]

Guys Darius Garland is gonna be good. If we get #3 or lower we should worry about trading down to get him, depending on which teams need a point guard between us. I like Ja and I really like Zion, But Garland is a solid consolation prize with a magnificent stroke

He has already signed Rich Paul as his agent which makes him as close to person non grata as possible.

I did not know this! Wow. Off the table. Coby White moves into the #2 PG spot

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[Kerrsed]

[Revived]

We don't need Booker and Ayton hanging out with idiots like Josh Jackson.

Devin Booker’s Instagram story showed that he was with Jackson and Booker’s entourage (his brother, his brother’s gf, 3-4 other dudes). They were in Miami for about a week and now in the Bahamas.

But yes, I don’t think Booker hanging out with these older players who are idiots like Jackson is a good strategy going forward.

If Jackson was at least a good enough basketball player then this can looked over perhaps but the fact that he is a Shannon Brown-esque basketball player changes things.

[Revived]

People choose to become cops. People don't choose their race. So it is nothing alike. I don't know why race was brought into this. So, sneaking into a VIP area is justifiably an arrest-able offense? Okay, sureeeeee....

Sneaking in means you didn't pay. It means you're stealing from somebody else. From the entertainment, from the staff working the show, from the concessioners, etc. A thief is a thief ... doesn't matter how it's done. It's knowing right-from-wrong. Just like you expect every cop to be perfect why can't Josh Jackson just pay his way. The stupid f*ck has millions of dollars. Go ahead and try to justify your position but Jackson is a thief and was stupid enough to get a misdemeanor for resisting arrest and then a felony charge for escape. You admitting to sneaking back stage makes you a thief too and I'm sure police have been all over your azz for stupid stuff you have done. That's your problem buddy. Maybe take a hard look at yourself and become a better member of society.

Honestly no one can say s**t until all the facts come out. There was a guy on twitter that said that Josh had been drinking and left the VIP area (Where Booker/Ayton/Oubre along with girlfriends and family was) and didnt have his pass on him. Security wouldnt let him re-enter because he didnt have his pass and didnt remember Josh. Josh tried a few times to talk his way back in and security wasnt having it. Josh was then trying to find another way in when security saw him and restrained him for the cops.

Sounds a lot more fee-sable than a young multi-millionaire trying to get out of paying for VIP (Which all his friends are in) and essentially "Stealing" the couple hundred dollars it cost for the VIP pass.

The stupid part of all this is leaving while he was handcuffed. Seems like he already pulled the "Do you know who i am" card with security trying to re-enter the VIP. When they have your name and the damn team you play pro ball for, even if you escape with handcuffs on, they know who you are and you are f**ked when they find you.

With that being said, i expect the charges will be dropped when he accepts the plea deal which will be for a much much much lessor offence. A felony for walking off in handcuffs is stupid. They hit you with that so they can later drop it for getting you to accept their plea deal. Scare you with the felony, so they get a guilty plea for the misdemeanor. Happens all the time. Look at McGregor. In Miami they slapped him with a felony charge for taking a guys iPhone 6 and breaking it....and then walking off with the broken pieces. Here we are months later and....charges dropped.

So yeah, lets hear the full story before jumping to conclusions on both sides.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the case gets dismissed altogether with the expensive lawyer that Jackson will be hiring.

And that’s not gonna be matter because Jackson’s reputation has been even further tarnished.

The worst part is that he’s adding on to the clown franchise label that the Suns have earned over the years. We continue to keep taking 3 steps back after taking 2 steps forward.

Hiring Monty Williams - 2 steps forward

Jackson being arrested and running while handcuffed - 3 steps back.

It’s a trend that the Suns have followed for such a long time now.

[lilfishi22]

Running away while handcuffed (ie resisting arrest) is what makes me question his decision making. How he got to that point is dubious without more information.

[Kerrsed]

Running away while handcuffed (ie resisting arrest) is what makes me question his decision making. How he got to that point is dubious without more information.

Probably the same factor(s) that led to PJ Tuckers bad decision making.

Spoiler:

[Ghost of Kleine]

Running away while handcuffed (ie resisting arrest) is what makes me question his decision making. How he got to that point is dubious without more information.

Probably the same factor(s) that led to PJ Tuckers bad decision making.

Spoiler:

Why can't I ever run into bad decisions like that????....

[Fo-Real]

Running away while handcuffed (ie resisting arrest) is what makes me question his decision making. How he got to that point is dubious without more information.

Probably the same factor(s) that led to PJ Tuckers bad decision making.

Spoiler:

And much like pj's situation and J Rich and many others before him this too shall pass. Not angry he had a dust up with the cops, mad that at some point his brain didnt kick in to shut his mouth and not get in trouble and draw attention to himself. Ignorant opinions about ALL COPS is trivial, insignificant and moot considering the thought process of the one person pushing the ignorant narrative of bad cops. Josh has had run ins several times, when will his brain learn to talk himself into good decisions instead of bad. This is the kind of incident that can help a kid become a man with the right guidance but he has been in the situations before and here we are. Team loyalty and a father figure coach ( Monty Williams) could be what he needs, he is a kid, a stupid kid but STILL A KID! Maybe embrace him if his story does not rub management the wrong way?

[grumpysaddle]

Running away while handcuffed (ie resisting arrest) is what makes me question his decision making. How he got to that point is dubious without more information.

Probably the same factor(s) that led to PJ Tuckers bad decision making.

Spoiler:

And much like pj's situation and J Rich and many others before him this too shall pass. Not angry he had a dust up with the cops, mad that at some point his brain didnt kick in to shut his mouth and not get in trouble and draw attention to himself. Ignorant opinions about ALL COPS is trivial, insignificant and moot considering the thought process of the one person pushing the ignorant narrative of bad cops. Josh has had run ins several times, when will his brain learn to talk himself into good decisions instead of bad. This is the kind of incident that can help a kid become a man with the right guidance but he has been in the situations before and here we are. Team loyalty and a father figure coach ( Monty Williams) could be what he needs, he is a kid, a stupid kid but STILL A KID! Maybe embrace him if his story does not rub management the wrong way?

Ignorant, he says. Lol. Move on bro. Or keep spreading those cheeks...

[Saberestar]

We don't need Booker and Ayton hanging out with idiots like Josh Jackson.

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[Cutter]

I really want Oubre, but don't tie up $15 million in him.

[lilfishi22]

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Glad to know that $15m send to be the ceiling. I think that's the upper limit of an overpay that I would accept too.

Ideally were looking at around $12m