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[SunsRback4Good]

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TJ Warren's career reminding me of Grant Hill's a bit. Granted (see what I did there??), Hill was a generational talent, the poor luck on injuries and inability to stay on the court really sucks the life out of a promising career.

The difference is one was a generational player like Lebron, Luka, Durant while other wont sniff an all star. Grant Hill before his injury was touted to be next MJ and Penny as well. Both were wiped out before their prines to devastating injuries and were never the same players again. Injuries suck so bad cause so many could've had amazing careers only to never be the same again. One player who comes to mind is DRose wish he never gotten injuries cause his game was beautiful to watch and would " wow" fans on many plays and highlights.

Brandon. Roy.

Yeah, another great player went down to injuries. Oden and Yao another duo who come to mind.

[nevetsov]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

[Revived]

Booker is basically what Roy would’ve been if injuries didn’t kill his career. Roy’s one of my favorite non Suns players of all time. The game in which he killed Dallas in the playoffs after coming from injury and led a crazy comeback was one of my favorite games.

[bwgood77]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

[WeekapaugGroove]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

Walton is the C IMO. Ralph Sampson is another good candidate he was a force before injuries.

I wouldn't bump anyone for him but Gilbert Arenas was better than people realize before his knee went to hell.

There's also all the 'what if's' from the 80s like Hank Gathers, Ben Wilson, and Len Bias who were all great players and died before coming to the league.

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[bwgood77]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

Walton is the C IMO. Ralph Sampson is another good candidate he was a force before injuries.

I wouldn't bump anyone for him but Gilbert Arenas was better than people realize before his knee went to hell.

There's also all the 'what if's' from the 80s like Hank Gathers, Ben Wilson, and Len Bias who were all great players and died before coming to the league.

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I don't know that Hank Gathers would have done much in the league, but Len Bias had a chance to, but didn't mention him since we are talking about injuries.

I do think if Bird didn't get derailed by injuries and played as long as LeBron he'd probably be thought of as the GOAT or right up there in the top 2 or 3.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

Walton is the C IMO. Ralph Sampson is another good candidate he was a force before injuries.

I wouldn't bump anyone for him but Gilbert Arenas was better than people realize before his knee went to hell.

There's also all the 'what if's' from the 80s like Hank Gathers, Ben Wilson, and Len Bias who were all great players and died before coming to the league.

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I don't know that Hank Gathers would have done much in the league, but Len Bias had a chance to, but didn't mention him since we are talking about injuries.

I do think if Bird didn't get derailed by injuries and played as long as LeBron he'd probably be thought of as the GOAT or right up there in the top 2 or 3.

Gathers lead the nation in scoring and rebounding his junior year, he was a little undersized for a PF but was definitely a pro prospect.

Ben Wilson is the tragic death people forget, he was considered the top high school prospect in the country and was a smooth 6'8 G/F combo.

They should do a long doc on all the squandered talent from the 80s. Cocaine ruining a guy like Roy Tarpleys and many other careers. Reggie Lewis was another really good player who died. This was also the era when a ACL or Achilles basically **** a player forever.

You're right on Bird having a better career if his back doesn't go, another guy who's back failed him was Larry Johnson who wasn't Bird good but was a beast in Charlotte.

Now I'm not sure we can hold anyone to the Lebron longevity standard because what he's doing physically at his age is mutant like.

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[bwgood77]

Walton is the C IMO. Ralph Sampson is another good candidate he was a force before injuries.

I wouldn't bump anyone for him but Gilbert Arenas was better than people realize before his knee went to hell.

There's also all the 'what if's' from the 80s like Hank Gathers, Ben Wilson, and Len Bias who were all great players and died before coming to the league.

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I don't know that Hank Gathers would have done much in the league, but Len Bias had a chance to, but didn't mention him since we are talking about injuries.

I do think if Bird didn't get derailed by injuries and played as long as LeBron he'd probably be thought of as the GOAT or right up there in the top 2 or 3.

Gathers lead the nation in scoring and rebounding his junior year, he was a little undersized for a PF but was definitely a pro prospect.

Ben Wilson is the tragic death people forget, he was considered the top high school prospect in the country and was a smooth 6'8 G/F combo.

They should do a long doc on all the squandered talent from the 80s. Cocaine ruining a guy like Roy Tarpleys and many other careers. Reggie Lewis was another really good player who died. This was also the era when a ACL or Achilles basically **** a player forever.

You're right on Bird having a better career if his back doesn't go, another guy who's back failed him was Larry Johnson who wasn't Bird good but was a beast in Charlotte.

Now I'm not sure we can hold anyone to the Lebron longevity standard because what he's doing physically at his age is mutant like.

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I didn't realize Gathers was leading the nation like that....though I think that team played at an extreme pace that far exceeded that of other teams...like regularly scoring 130 or 140 points..like double normal college teams. I could be wrong about that though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't know that Hank Gathers would have done much in the league, but Len Bias had a chance to, but didn't mention him since we are talking about injuries.

I do think if Bird didn't get derailed by injuries and played as long as LeBron he'd probably be thought of as the GOAT or right up there in the top 2 or 3.

Gathers lead the nation in scoring and rebounding his junior year, he was a little undersized for a PF but was definitely a pro prospect.

Ben Wilson is the tragic death people forget, he was considered the top high school prospect in the country and was a smooth 6'8 G/F combo.

They should do a long doc on all the squandered talent from the 80s. Cocaine ruining a guy like Roy Tarpleys and many other careers. Reggie Lewis was another really good player who died. This was also the era when a ACL or Achilles basically **** a player forever.

You're right on Bird having a better career if his back doesn't go, another guy who's back failed him was Larry Johnson who wasn't Bird good but was a beast in Charlotte.

Now I'm not sure we can hold anyone to the Lebron longevity standard because what he's doing physically at his age is mutant like.

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I didn't realize Gathers was leading the nation like that....though I think that team played at an extreme pace that far exceeded that of other teams...like regularly scoring 130 or 140 points..like double normal college teams. I could be wrong about that though.

They did play a crazy fast pace. He was considered a better player than his teammate Bo Kimble who ended up a lotto pick.

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[bwgood77]

LeBron just passed Kobe up for Lakers triple doubles.

[bigfoot]

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[bwgood77]

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I went and saw his stats early in our game, checked dynasty, and almost posted in the game thread..nice pickup...must have done it a while back. I saw you put him on the trade block.

I thought of possibly offering you Smart or Porter but again, I go back to small sample size. I can't get too excited, though I would probably be excited if I had him.

[bigfoot]

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I went and saw his stats early in our game, checked dynasty, and almost posted in the game thread..nice pickup...must have done it a while back. I saw you put him on the trade block.

I thought of possibly offering you Smart or Porter but again, I go back to small sample size. I can't get too excited, though I would probably be excited if I had him.

Yeah it is early but he played well in the bubble. I got him on the first night the Spurs played. I'm looking for a center so that's why I put him out there. We'll see what types of offers that show up.

[bwgood77]

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I went and saw his stats early in our game, checked dynasty, and almost posted in the game thread..nice pickup...must have done it a while back. I saw you put him on the trade block.

I thought of possibly offering you Smart or Porter but again, I go back to small sample size. I can't get too excited, though I would probably be excited if I had him.

Yeah it is early but he played well in the bubble. I got him on the first night the Spurs played. I'm looking for a center so that's why I put him out there. We'll see what types of offers that show up.

If you'd like Steven Adams, I might make that trade.

[AtheJ415]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

Arenas gotta be somewhere.

I'd do:

Penny
Gil
Roy
Hill
Oden

[AtheJ415]

I hope james jones is right about jalen smith because I still really like haliburton.

Tyrese fit right into the mold of the players James Jones has been bringing in too. Jalen Smith seems like a McD style pick.

Jalen only makes sense if we're planning on eventually trading Ayton, or if he can play the 4. BUT our best lineups have been small ball ever since last year. Our best lineups had Oubre or Cam at the 4, not Saric. Saric thrived at the 5. This year it's with Crowder or Cam at the 4. The numbers are clear--this needs to be a small ball team. He also mentioned having to matchup with AD and Lebron but like, he isn't playing now, so are we gonna throw him into the WCF?

I like Smith. He was one of the guys I was okay with drafting but I was furious he was the pick given who was on the board and where we picked him. I'd really like to see him take at least Frank's minutes. Frank is a disaster.

[bwgood77]

Who's your All-Injury team then?

Penny
Roy
Hill
??
Oden

Even though their careers still ended up decent you could easily throw Larry Bird as one of the more injury derailed careers...then either Chris Webber or Stoudemire. TMac too. And Yao. Bill Walton maybe the biggest name C.

This ranks all those ahead of Roy and especially Oden (since no one really knows how good his career would have been anyway). https://uproxx.com/dimemag/the-30-best-nba-careers-ruined-by-injury/

Arenas gotta be somewhere.

I'd do:

Penny
Gil
Roy
Hill
Oden

Funny, I was just thinking tonight about Arenas while thinking of Booker's performance....how their first 5 years were probably very similar.

So I did a comparison, and it's pretty crazy how similar they are...except when you look at stuff like VORP and BPM

https://stathead.com/tiny/pQSXb

[spanishninja]

Hahahahahaha

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/01/01/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-trade-centered-around-draymond-green/

Enjoy this comedy

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[Keith_myath]

Frank is a disaster.

Oi, watch your mouth!

Thems fighting words around here.

[Bogyo]

Anyone has Lowes take on the Suns from his ESPN "10 things I like"? Behind paywall now, which sucks, it used to be one of the things I skimmed through every week to get a general feel for the league and the teams I don't really watch and follow.