2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

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Absolute s***show defensively. Dudes getting into rhythm and hitting 3's. Dudes walking into the paint for easy lay up. Dudes casually strolling behind our defense for completely open buckets under the basket. Equally as embarrassing as our lack of offense. Wasted a good Cam/Cp3 game but the most outrageous thing to me is our BEST 3PT shooter shot exactly ZERO shots in 18min of playing time. OTOH Ish and Okogie playing 19min combined took 9 shots from 3 and hit 1 between the two of them. Obviously those were the shots the Mavs wanted us to take but c'mon Monty, that's just not on

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Absolute s***show defensively. Dudes getting into rhythm and hitting 3's. Dudes walking into the paint for easy lay up. Dudes casually strolling behind our defense for completely open buckets under the basket. Equally as embarrassing as our lack of offense. Wasted a good Cam/Cp3 game but the most outrageous thing to me is our BEST 3PT shooter shot exactly ZERO shots in 18min of playing time. OTOH Ish and Okogie playing 19min combined took 9 shots from 3 and hit 1 between the two of them. Obviously those were the shots the Mavs wanted us to take but c'mon Monty, that's just not on

Tonight's loss was nothing more than what we've already seen from this team off and on throughout the season. some nights they look energetic, hungry, and engaged or focused on the task! And play with a sense of urgency!! Others (like tonight) we lack energy, focus, play half azz and apathetically. Or we play down to teams and are careless. Tonight is honestly no big mystery as to what happened. We came in confident and riding a high from our 4 game win streak. Then when Doncic left we got overly confident and careless and just assumed we'd bag this win without much fight! We looked past this team and didn't match their urgency or motivation. We've struggled with this hubris issue before in games and obviously it's still a residual issue! Once Doncic went out we just figured with Paul/Bridges/Johnson all playing so well through the past few games and also having Ayton back(too soon) that we'd just sleepwalk to an easy win! We have to learn to not take games for granted because no win is guaranteed! And on any given night in the NBA, another team can beat you if you don't bring your best effort. Tonight we didn't and paid the price! Just flush this and move on to the next one! No big deal yet??

[SlovenianDragon]

I feel like we should consider bringing ayton off the bench...I think it could work out for all parties involved... ayton would still get all his minutes but a majority anchoring our bench unit and feeding the crap out of him. His offense would be more utilized and valued in that roll I think...or maybe I'm losing my mind.

[grumpysaddle]

I would trade Ayton for Capella straight up at this point, but we'd have to take back a bit more salary to match for Atlanta. I dunno. I feel like Capella would be a really good fit on this team. Suns play better when they aren't force feeding a player that doesn't deserve to be force-fed. Capella doesn't require plays or touches on the offensive end. He'd just be a rebounder/pick setter/hustler.

[Saberestar]

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Absolute s***show defensively. Dudes getting into rhythm and hitting 3's. Dudes walking into the paint for easy lay up. Dudes casually strolling behind our defense for completely open buckets under the basket. Equally as embarrassing as our lack of offense. Wasted a good Cam/Cp3 game but the most outrageous thing to me is our BEST 3PT shooter shot exactly ZERO shots in 18min of playing time. OTOH Ish and Okogie playing 19min combined took 9 shots from 3 and hit 1 between the two of them. Obviously those were the shots the Mavs wanted us to take but c'mon Monty, that's just not on

Okogie and Wainright were ignored on purpose, they were WIDE open all the time that they were on the court. It was a gamble and it paid off for the Mavs.

That's why they need to be out of the usual rotation.

Like I said in the game thread in this current basketball you can't play 4 on 5 on offense with a non offensive player out there. I can live with a limited offensive player at the 5 (like Biyombo) because he at least is a threat on the boards and finishing in the paint, but at other positions is a huge liability.

Hopefully we learn a lesson from this last game and we decide to trade for a shot creator at the deadline.

[BobbieL]

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Absolute s***show defensively. Dudes getting into rhythm and hitting 3's. Dudes walking into the paint for easy lay up. Dudes casually strolling behind our defense for completely open buckets under the basket. Equally as embarrassing as our lack of offense. Wasted a good Cam/Cp3 game but the most outrageous thing to me is our BEST 3PT shooter shot exactly ZERO shots in 18min of playing time. OTOH Ish and Okogie playing 19min combined took 9 shots from 3 and hit 1 between the two of them. Obviously those were the shots the Mavs wanted us to take but c'mon Monty, that's just not on

Okogie and Wainright were ignored on purpose, they were WIDE open all the time that they were on the court. It was a gamble and it paid off for the Mavs.

That's why they need to be out of the usual rotation.

Like I said in the game thread in this current basketball you can't play 4 on 5 on offense with a non offensive player out there. I can live with a limited offensive player at the 5 (like Biyombo) because he at least is a threat on the boards and finishing in the paint, but at other positions is a huge liability.

Hopefully we learn a lesson from this last game and we decide to trade for a shot creator at the deadline.

Totally agree - the biggest thing this team needs is a bucket guy off the bench
A player that might not be there every night but enough nights that help you win games - especially in the playoffs
That still needs to be the priority - Crowder for Connaughton might not be bad - but aim higher

[bigfoot]

I feel like we should consider bringing ayton off the bench...I think it could work out for all parties involved... ayton would still get all his minutes but a majority anchoring our bench unit and feeding the crap out of him. His offense would be more utilized and valued in that roll I think...or maybe I'm losing my mind.

Just trade him. He is defensively the weakest link. I fully expect him to be on another team by draft day this summer.

[King4Day]

I would trade Ayton for Capella straight up at this point, but we'd have to take back a bit more salary to match for Atlanta. I dunno. I feel like Capella would be a really good fit on this team. Suns play better when they aren't force feeding a player that doesn't deserve to be force-fed. Capella doesn't require plays or touches on the offensive end. He'd just be a rebounder/pick setter/hustler.

Maybe to Charlotte for Hayward, McDaniels, and a pick.
Perhaps it's overreacting but I'm worried his value is sinking fast.

Listening to the Jam Session Pod Cast, they brough up a good point that the team isn't playing 'happy' with him on the court. Paul looked like the old free-flowing Paul without Ayton there. His 20 boards and 19pts didn't impact the game and I couldn't agree more. He played a short team and simply grabbed the rebounds that came to him.
I really wonder if the team wants him gone.

[King4Day]

I feel like we should consider bringing ayton off the bench...I think it could work out for all parties involved... ayton would still get all his minutes but a majority anchoring our bench unit and feeding the crap out of him. His offense would be more utilized and valued in that roll I think...or maybe I'm losing my mind.

Just trade him. He is defensively the weakest link. I fully expect him to be on another team by draft day this summer.

Unfortunately, I just don't see a team who would take his contract. His value is tanking right now.

[BobbieL]

I would trade Ayton for Capella straight up at this point, but we'd have to take back a bit more salary to match for Atlanta. I dunno. I feel like Capella would be a really good fit on this team. Suns play better when they aren't force feeding a player that doesn't deserve to be force-fed. Capella doesn't require plays or touches on the offensive end. He'd just be a rebounder/pick setter/hustler.

Maybe to Charlotte for Hayward, McDaniels, and a pick.
Perhaps it's overreacting but I'm worried his value is sinking fast.

Listening to the Jam Session Pod Cast, they brough up a good point that the team isn't playing 'happy' with him on the court. Paul looked like the old free-flowing Paul without Ayton there. His 20 boards and 19pts didn't impact the game and I couldn't agree more. He played a short team and simply grabbed the rebounds that came to him.
I really wonder if the team wants him gone.

that would probably be selling low on Ayton but I think they should talk to -- dare I say - Majai in Toronto

Personally, I think the Suns should be able to get Hayward for expirings - and if he was healthy, I like the idea as he can score the ball. He would be a solid 6th man - but again, health

Last night was a bad loss and don't want to overreact though - but they cannot sell low on Ayton. They at least need good value

[King4Day]

I would trade Ayton for Capella straight up at this point, but we'd have to take back a bit more salary to match for Atlanta. I dunno. I feel like Capella would be a really good fit on this team. Suns play better when they aren't force feeding a player that doesn't deserve to be force-fed. Capella doesn't require plays or touches on the offensive end. He'd just be a rebounder/pick setter/hustler.

Maybe to Charlotte for Hayward, McDaniels, and a pick.
Perhaps it's overreacting but I'm worried his value is sinking fast.

Listening to the Jam Session Pod Cast, they brough up a good point that the team isn't playing 'happy' with him on the court. Paul looked like the old free-flowing Paul without Ayton there. His 20 boards and 19pts didn't impact the game and I couldn't agree more. He played a short team and simply grabbed the rebounds that came to him.
I really wonder if the team wants him gone.

that would probably be selling low on Ayton but I think they should talk to -- dare I say - Majai in Toronto

Personally, I think the Suns should be able to get Hayward for expirings - and if he was healthy, I like the idea as he can score the ball. He would be a solid 6th man - but again, health

Last night was a bad loss and don't want to overreact though - but they cannot sell low on Ayton. They at least need good value

I don't disagree. I'm worried that, come summer, he will have no value. I don't expect him to be traded by the deadline (dammit I now wish we made the Sabonis trade). This summer, no question we look into our options.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Unless Ayton has straight up asked the FO to trade him he won't be going anywhere this season. Because if you think he's checked out now it's nothing compared to the check outness we could see if he knows they are trying to deal him.

Now this summer when his veto power is gone, that's a whole other story.

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[BobbieL]

Unless Ayton has straight up asked the FO to trade him he won't be going anywhere this season. Because if you think he's checked out now it's nothing compared to the check outness we could see if he knows they are trying to deal him.

Now this summer when his veto power is gone, that's a whole other story.

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Very true Week - very true

My target today is D'Lo still. They need a Vinnie Johnson Microwave guy; Sweet Lou in his prime - just a damn scorer off the bench. Even when Payne and Shamet are healthy - they aren't that scorer

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Maybe to Charlotte for Hayward, McDaniels, and a pick.
Perhaps it's overreacting but I'm worried his value is sinking fast.

Listening to the Jam Session Pod Cast, they brough up a good point that the team isn't playing 'happy' with him on the court. Paul looked like the old free-flowing Paul without Ayton there. His 20 boards and 19pts didn't impact the game and I couldn't agree more. He played a short team and simply grabbed the rebounds that came to him.
I really wonder if the team wants him gone.

that would probably be selling low on Ayton but I think they should talk to -- dare I say - Majai in Toronto

Personally, I think the Suns should be able to get Hayward for expirings - and if he was healthy, I like the idea as he can score the ball. He would be a solid 6th man - but again, health

Last night was a bad loss and don't want to overreact though - but they cannot sell low on Ayton. They at least need good value

I don't disagree. I'm worried that, come summer, he will have no value. I don't expect him to be traded by the deadline (dammit I now wish we made the Sabonis trade). This summer, no question we look into our options.

In his last game against the Raptors, he had 9 turnovers, and the Raps killed Sacto on the offensive glass. Kings took 20 fewer shots, and Sabonis was the primary reason. Nobody's perfect.

I don't think Ayton's value is tanking. I'm sure savvy GMs who've watched him a long time will think DA just needs a change of scenery.

Don't know why Ayton struggles so mightily against Dallas in particular. Sure, they routinely push his midsection when he shoots, throwing him off balance, which works because he's top-heavy and lacks girth. But other teams do that.

I'm shocked DA was only -1 for the game. Seemed to me we'd go on a run every time he came out. Biyombo was only +1 because he was in when the scrub unit (Lee/Okogie/Lee/Wainwright/Biyombo) were getting their butts kicked.

Can't fault Monty. He went to DA over and over, told him to take off his jacket. Man's Not Hot. Brrrrrrakaka!

[grumpysaddle]

I feel like we should consider bringing ayton off the bench...I think it could work out for all parties involved... ayton would still get all his minutes but a majority anchoring our bench unit and feeding the crap out of him. His offense would be more utilized and valued in that roll I think...or maybe I'm losing my mind.

Just trade him. He is defensively the weakest link. I fully expect him to be on another team by draft day this summer.

Unfortunately, I just don't see a team who would take his contract. His value is tanking right now.

I mentioned Capela because I remember Atlanta was interested in Ayton last season or in the off-season. Maybe we can still find a way. Pretty sure the Suns wanted Capela when he was on Houston back before they grabbed DA. I just like his fit with this team and he played well with Paul in Houston. He grabs rebounds and doesn't cry about getting touches and points. Embiid and Jokic are about the only centers that require touches that I'd want on the team. Useful high usage bigs just aren't a necessity in today's NBA unless they are super special players.

I also wanted Sabonis back when he was available from Indy. He's not perfect but he tries hard every game and can grab a **** rebound in traffic.

[Slim Charless]

Unless Ayton has straight up asked the FO to trade him he won't be going anywhere this season. Because if you think he's checked out now it's nothing compared to the check outness we could see if he knows they are trying to deal him.

Now this summer when his veto power is gone, that's a whole other story.

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Very true Week - very true

My target today is D'Lo still. They need a Vinnie Johnson Microwave guy; Sweet Lou in his prime - just a damn scorer off the bench. Even when Payne and Shamet are healthy - they aren't that scorer

Idk....I don't agree with that Ayton call. I think he's over this team and Monty...and probably cp3/Booker. Ayton signed that deal with Indy, not only cause they paid him but because he wants out of Phoenix. He won't be vetoing anything imo.

Any team we trade Ayton to, he'll welcome with open arms....and unfortunately probably play alot better.

[NapoleonII]

Chicago is looking like they might be a major seller, but the only piece I'm interested in for us might be Caruso. His advance stats are DPOY good and he's shooting nearly 40% from three, despite Chicago being a mess.

He's locked up for a few years on a modest 9m per year, and he'd be an instant upgrade to Shamet and possibly Okogie, and who knows if CP3 will be healthy....could be a valuable having a 3nD player to throw at the team's best offensive guard.