2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[Ghost of Kleine]

Have there been any talks or reports on Shamet extension?

Apparently no details as of yet. However:


Matt Petersen (@TheMattPetersen) Tweeted:
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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

Have there been any talks or reports on Shamet extension?

Apparently no details as of yet. However:

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It would be great to extend Ayton AND Shamet now.

[Ghost of Kleine]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
Mikal Bridges likely structure:

Year 1 - $20,089,286
Year 2 - $21,696,429
Year 3 - $23,303,571
Year 4 - $24,910,714
Total - $90,000,000

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[BobbieL]

Have there been any talks or reports on Shamet extension?

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It would be great to extend Ayton AND Shamet now.

I will be fine with Ayton and get that over and done with and move on for the season

But Bridges was always, to me, the tougher of the two,. Ayton is just a big number. Bridges has comps like Anunoby, or Gordon to compare too. He will only get better. Glad Mikal is done

I hope they can get DA done now too. If Shamet has to wait, I am good with that.

[sunsbg]

So if DA doesn't accept what Suns offer him, let's say 30M/y, does it mean he's not all about the money as many thought after the 'getting to the second contract' quote, but he also demands more respect ?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Next season with a $142m luxury tax threshold:

Booker $34m
Ayton $29m (assuming max)
Paul $28m
Bridges $20m

= $111m for Core 4

If Sarver is willing to go $10m over the cap that'd give us $41m for the other 11 players.

[Slim Charless]

So if DA doesn't accept what Suns offer him, let's say 30M/y, does it mean he's not all about the money as many thought after the 'getting to the second contract' quote, but he also demands more respect ?

If Sarver is trying to get a discount on this-which we all know he is he should shoot for 5/160. That's not too bad as the max DA can get is 5/170 I believe. You can spin it to him that Mikal, Chris and CPayne all took discounts. That's still a tough sell imo as in Chris's case he's already 1 of the richest players in NBA history so taking a slight discount doesn't hurt him that much.

[BobbieL]

Next season with a $142m luxury tax threshold:

Booker $34m
Ayton $29m (assuming max)
Paul $28m
Bridges $20m

= $111m for Core 4

If Ayton is extended and based on your numbers above - I have the Suns $7.8m over the luxury tax
and $1.5m over the Luxury Apron

Booker, Paul, Ayton, Bridges, Saric, Cam P, Cam J, Smith, Crowder

I do wonder, if Ayton is signed, if they still want Young for Saric/Smith - meaning would they approach the SPurs about the trade.

[Years90Suns]

Miker Bridges: 22.5 mill for 13.5 ppp

Larry, Magic, Julius or Kareem should present a lawsuit against the L and poetic justice for this reality.
This is almost disgusting.

[bwgood77]

Next season with a $142m luxury tax threshold:

Booker $34m
Ayton $29m (assuming max)
Paul $28m
Bridges $20m

= $111m for Core 4

If Sarver is willing to go $10m over the cap that'd give us $41m for the other 11 players.

At least 4 others Cams, Crowder, Saric are under contract (5 if we pick up Smith's option for next year due Oct 31I think). Nader has a team option for $2.4 million too. Then can match any Shamet offer if we don't extend. So we will know how much we have after all those guys. People have done some cap tables. It's probably mostly all minimums with those 9-11 guys.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Booker 34
Ayton 29 (assumed)
Paul 28
Bridges 20
Crowder 10
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Saric 10
Shamet 8 (assumed)
Payne 6
Johnson 6
Smith 5
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Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)

= 166 on a 142 luxury tax threshold

Sarver would be looking at about $50m in luxury tax.

[bwgood77]

Next season with a $142m luxury tax threshold:

Booker $34m
Ayton $29m (assuming max)
Paul $28m
Bridges $20m

= $111m for Core 4

If Ayton is extended and based on your numbers above - I have the Suns $7.8m over the luxury tax
and $1.5m over the Luxury Apron

Booker, Paul, Ayton, Bridges, Saric, Cam P, Cam J, Smith, Crowder

I do wonder, if Ayton is signed, if they still want Young for Saric/Smith - meaning would they approach the SPurs about the trade.

Does your $7.8 million include the Shamet cap hold, Nader's $2.4 option and minimum tax holds for the other spots?

[bwgood77]

Booker 34
Ayton 29 (assumed)
Paul 28
Bridges 20
Crowder 10
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Saric 10
Shamet 8 (assumed)
Payne 6
Johnson 6
Smith 5
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Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)
Min 2 (assumed)

= 166 on a 142 luxury tax threshold

Sarver would be looking at about $50m in luxury tax.

Damn, that's a lot more than I was thinking for some reason. It doesn't seem to be explicitly seem to be written anywhere, but I assume the tax rate replaces the $1 of salary and isn't lumped on top of the total salary (ie, $1.50 tax per dollar to up to $5 million is total dollars out of $7.5 million, NOT the $5 million salary + $7.5 million tax, or $12.5 million). Assuming that's the case,

the tax levels end up being

First five million over - $7.5
Next five - $8.75
Next five - $12.5
Next five - $16.25
Last four - $15

Total amount over tax threshold including tax - $60 million ($24 million salary, $36 million tax)

Total team salary - $202 million.

Spoiler:

For teams between $0 and $4,999,999 over the cap, the tax rate is $1.50 for every dollar over the cap.
The incremental maximum for this level is $7.5 million.
For teams between $5,000,000 and $9,999,999 over the cap, the tax rate is $1.75 for every dollar over the cap.
The incremental maximum for this level is $8.75 million.
For teams between $10,000,000 and $14,999,999 over the cap, the tax rate is $2.50 for every dollar over the cap.
The incremental maximum for this level is $12.5 million.
For teams between $15,000,000 and $19,999,999 over the cap, the tax rate is $3.25 for every dollar over the cap.
The incremental maximum for this level is $16.25 million.
And for teams $20,000,000 over the cap or above, the tax rate is $3.75 for every dollar over the cap, and increasing $0.50 for each additional $5,000,000 over $20,000,000.
So, for a simple example, let’s say a team is $18 million over the cap. Their luxury tax would then be $38.5 million. Why? Because we add the incremental maximums of $7.5 million, $8.75 million and $12.5 million to arrive at the bracket between $15.0 million and $19.99 million. That leaves us at $28.75 million. Then we multiply $3 million (the difference between the $18.0 million the team is over the tax and the $15.0 million of the relevant incremental maximum value) by $3.25, giving us $9.75 million. Add those two totals together and viola, we arrive at the $38.5 million luxury tax.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/11/nba-luxury-tax/

[lilfishi22]

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Mikal locked up, 4/90 is around what I expected

Fricken awesome. A little under what I expected. Closer to Aaron Gordon than OG which makes sense.

If there's anything that might annoy me about this is if Sarver pockets the savings from CP3, Cam and Bridges' extensions and holding out on Ayton

[bwgood77]

Hey, you see this? https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264424/Lakers-Waive-Joel-Ayayi-From-Two-Way-Deal

Very clever!
I actually thought about mentioning that to you honestly, Given your affinity for Ayayi. But then figured what's the point, As we already have Payne, Payton and Randle at the guard spot. I wouldn't mind him in place of Randle honestly though.

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[lilfishi22]

$22.5M per year for Mikal is not a discount or anything like that.

Anunoby's contract is cheaper but he got the deal one year before, so it makes sense for Bridges to earn a bit more than him.

And Aaron Gordon got slightly less than Mikal this offseason.

You mean slightly more? Didn't Gordon get 4/$92?

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So it looks like AG does have less guaranteed money on his deal than Bridges. I think it's very fair either way given Gordon is heading into his 8th season while Bridges is going into his 4th (despite not a huge age difference).

[bwgood77]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

[lilfishi22]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
Mikal Bridges likely structure:

Year 1 - $20,089,286
Year 2 - $21,696,429
Year 3 - $23,303,571
Year 4 - $24,910,714
Total - $90,000,000

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$23-25m in 3-4 years is going to look like a bargain given how close he is to making an all-NBA defensive team and with his super efficient offense

[Moochthemonkey]

this is $40m more than TJ Warren's contract.
also $30m less (proportionately) than Wiggins contract
feels reasonable