2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[lilfishi22]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

Certainly an option as he does have a very tradeable contract and he's a guy most contenders would want on their team because of his experience, toughness and does the 3&D stuff. That said, this might only give Sarver a little reprieve for a year since CamJo's next contract is likely to be double Crowder's salary.

[WeekapaugGroove]

this is $40m more than TJ Warren's contract.
also $30m less (proportionately) than Wiggins contract
feels reasonable

Might be less per game than TJs though

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[lilfishi22]

this is $40m more than TJ Warren's contract.
also $30m less (proportionately) than Wiggins contract
feels reasonable

Might be less per game than TJs though

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Definition of polar opposite. As much as I loved TJ's production but heading into his 8th season, he's really only had ONE healthy healthy season which was the Covid season where he missed 6 of a possible 73 games. Last season he only played 4 games due to injury/not wanting to play for the HC. Bridges is bloody ironman out there and despite having been in the NBA for 3 seasons, he has only played about 110 less games than TJ.

[bwgood77]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

Certainly an option as he does have a very tradeable contract and he's a guy most contenders would want on their team because of his experience, toughness and does the 3&D stuff. That said, this might only give Sarver a little reprieve for a year since CamJo's next contract is likely to be double Crowder's salary.

Who has a tradeable contract? Saric? I don't know with him being injured. Thad's expiring is the reason I said it's more probable. He would be off the books. Someone would definitely pay him more but we wouldn't want the cost anyway. We'd have to make do without Saric or Thad...just a minimum big and our current 3/4 rotation.

[BobbieL]

Next season with a $142m luxury tax threshold:

Booker $34m
Ayton $29m (assuming max)
Paul $28m
Bridges $20m

= $111m for Core 4

If Ayton is extended and based on your numbers above - I have the Suns $7.8m over the luxury tax
and $1.5m over the Luxury Apron

Booker, Paul, Ayton, Bridges, Saric, Cam P, Cam J, Smith, Crowder

I do wonder, if Ayton is signed, if they still want Young for Saric/Smith - meaning would they approach the SPurs about the trade.

Does your $7.8 million include the Shamet cap hold, Nader's $2.4 option and minimum tax holds for the other spots?

No, they do not. Good clarification. That is just the dollars allocated for those 9 players - if Ayton is extended starting with the 29m.

So yes, that figure will go up.

But if they have to move Crowder or whatever - if your core is still Booker, CP3, Ayton, Bridges and for one more year, you still have Payne and Cam Johnson - thats solid. Thats a workable group

[lilfishi22]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

Certainly an option as he does have a very tradeable contract and he's a guy most contenders would want on their team because of his experience, toughness and does the 3&D stuff. That said, this might only give Sarver a little reprieve for a year since CamJo's next contract is likely to be double Crowder's salary.

Who has a tradeable contract? Saric? I don't know with him being injured. Thad's expiring is the reason I said it's more probable. He would be off the books. Someone would definitely pay him more but we wouldn't want the cost anyway. We'd have to make do without Saric or Thad...just a minimum big and our current 3/4 rotation.

Crowder, if we're looking to shed salary quick without having to give up much if anything. It's really about 2023 when we will hit the luxury tax and Sarver could probably stand to see $9-18m off the books to help with that. But it's not solving any long term LT issues Sarver might have since Cam's new deal with hit in 2024. My point is that if we could move one guy for LT purposes, it'll be Crowder since he's a lot more tradeable.

[Revived]

So if DA doesn't accept what Suns offer him, let's say 30M/y, does it mean he's not all about the money as many thought after the 'getting to the second contract' quote, but he also demands more respect ?

You mean more money? So to answer the first part of your post, wouldn’t that mean he is all about the money?

I don’t think anyone interpreted his “getting to the second contract” to mean that he just wants to get any second contract. It was almost guaranteed that he could be a massive bust and he would still likely get at least a vet min contract after his first one.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Very clever!
I actually thought about mentioning that to you honestly, Given your affinity for Ayayi. But then figured what's the point, As we already have Payne, Payton and Randle at the guard spot. I wouldn't mind him in place of Randle honestly though.

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Yeah, I saw that earlier today. .......lol. Thought about sharing with you in a pm. The Flakers really did whiff on him. And I'm not surprised that he was scooped up right away! He's still got real upside and good efficiency. It's kind of sad that you still have these legitimately good players with solid upside/ skillsets but they just don't get an opportunity/ minutes to showcase their abilities enough. And as a result, Go undiscovered early on when they could grow and contribute to a team.

I really wish Saver didn't dump our G league team. There are a few cheap/ high upside steals that we'd otherwise have an opportunity to invest in. But since Ayayis' gone, I really wish we'd offer the other remaining two way slot to either Tyrell Terry or Mamadi Diakite who was just waived by the Thunder today!!
Perhaps Terry on a two way, And Diakite on an exhibit 10 for additional defensive wing/big depth.

Hoops Rumors (@HoopsRumors) Tweeted:
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Both are really solid talents that have skillsets that could address our few remaining potential weaknesses.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) Tweeted:
Despite some more technical challenges, @Trevor_Lane & I put out a new @FrontOfficeShow! We talked all the roster moves from this weekend, reacted to Mikal Bridges' extension live and hit on a few more items as well. Watch, like, subscribe, tell a friend!

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Dave King (@DaveKingNBA) Tweeted:
Suns are gambling on their future by leaving roster spots open https://t.co/Wq3zHndite via @BrightSideSun

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[Ghost of Kleine]

David Kevin (@theIVpointplay) Tweeted:
On current cap projections & without any significant spike...Mikal Bridges at age 28 & 29 is going to earn approximately 18% of the salary cap in the last 2 years of his deal.

imo that's pretty good.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Bridges with arms for days!!!

Mikal Bridges (@mikal_bridges) Tweeted:
Ok that looks crazy

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[garrick]

Does anyone feel like the cap should be raised since nothing is stopping big market teams like the Lakers and Nets from getting three MVP level players on their team?

I just feel like it should be much easier for a team that drafted players to be able to hold on to them without worry about cap space?

[suns12345]

this is $40m more than TJ Warren's contract.
also $30m less (proportionately) than Wiggins contract
feels reasonable

Bridges never missed games, TJ misses every game

[bwgood77]

Certainly an option as he does have a very tradeable contract and he's a guy most contenders would want on their team because of his experience, toughness and does the 3&D stuff. That said, this might only give Sarver a little reprieve for a year since CamJo's next contract is likely to be double Crowder's salary.

Who has a tradeable contract? Saric? I don't know with him being injured. Thad's expiring is the reason I said it's more probable. He would be off the books. Someone would definitely pay him more but we wouldn't want the cost anyway. We'd have to make do without Saric or Thad...just a minimum big and our current 3/4 rotation.

Crowder, if we're looking to shed salary quick without having to give up much if anything. It's really about 2023 when we will hit the luxury tax and Sarver could probably stand to see $9-18m off the books to help with that. But it's not solving any long term LT issues Sarver might have since Cam's new deal with hit in 2024. My point is that if we could move one guy for LT purposes, it'll be Crowder since he's a lot more tradeable.

I know Monty loves Saric too. But if we think Cam is ready to start and we have ok depth there, Crowder might be a guy they could trade. It's a little scary though. I think he's a lot more important than many realize....and the fact that Cam is there gives us depth. If Crowder was gone and Cam starting our entire frontcourt depth including the 3 is weak going forward. Nobody really.

But if we are $24 million in the tax, getting rid of a $10 million contract is like getting rid of $34 million in actual cost.

Those escalating penalty hikes the more you are over add up fast.

If we are $24 million over as calculated, the first $14 over would cost us $26 million total and then next $10 million over after that, $34 million.

So I'll be pretty surprised if they don't try to dump one of them because we will be over $200 million. That # assumed us keeping Shamet though..and we may not and have a minimum guy instead OR sign him for less than was listed above.

[bwgood77]

Does anyone feel like the cap should be raised since nothing is stopping big market teams like the Lakers and Nets from getting three MVP level players on their team?

I just feel like it should be much easier for a team that drafted players to be able to hold on to them without worry about cap space?

The cap gets raised every year (except a recent one due to COVID). You know what this results in? Increased average salaries. It doesn't do anything.

I kind of think max contracts should be less than 25%-35% of the cap though. That's kind of ridiculous. I know people think these guys should be paid..the big stars...many think there shouldn't be a limit but they are kind of ridiculous. But when each team gets so much BRI they would have to do something...if they lowered maxes it would probably be raising minimums or rookie scales.

It would just be nice if we had an owner that was worth at least at least a few billion (not counting team ownership) so it wouldn't be that big of a cost relatively speaking to go into the tax...but when he is only worth maybe a half billion or something....60 million is a lot...that's like 10-20% of his net worth or something. An owner worth $6 billion, where $60 million is more like 1-2%...not that big of deal...and that still might be on the lower end of owners.

We should make a lot of it back in revenue.

[bwoolf2]

Who has a tradeable contract? Saric? I don't know with him being injured. Thad's expiring is the reason I said it's more probable. He would be off the books. Someone would definitely pay him more but we wouldn't want the cost anyway. We'd have to make do without Saric or Thad...just a minimum big and our current 3/4 rotation.

Crowder, if we're looking to shed salary quick without having to give up much if anything. It's really about 2023 when we will hit the luxury tax and Sarver could probably stand to see $9-18m off the books to help with that. But it's not solving any long term LT issues Sarver might have since Cam's new deal with hit in 2024. My point is that if we could move one guy for LT purposes, it'll be Crowder since he's a lot more tradeable.

I know Monty loves Saric too. But if we think Cam is ready to start and we have ok depth there, Crowder might be a guy they could trade. It's a little scary though. I think he's a lot more important than many realize....and the fact that Cam is there gives us depth. If Crowder was gone and Cam starting our entire frontcourt depth including the 3 is weak going forward. Nobody really.

But if we are $24 million in the tax, getting rid of a $10 million contract is like getting rid of $34 million in actual cost.

Those escalating penalty hikes the more you are over add up fast.

If we are $24 million over as calculated, the first $14 over would cost us $26 million total and then next $10 million over after that, $34 million.

So I'll be pretty surprised if they don't try to dump one of them because we will be over $200 million. That # assumed us keeping Shamet though..and we may not and have a minimum guy instead OR sign him for less than was listed above.

Im guessing Sarver sells in the next few years the value of the team has gone up quite a bit and he can get as good a return on his investment as possible the tax is going to be too much for him to bear, this is a billionaires game not someone with 100s of millions. The tax will force Bobby to move on, be best for all parties the Suns who likely get a high profile owner and Sarver walks with a couple billion.

[Puff]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

I do not think we have a tax problem for 21/22 our problem will be in 22/23. If we trade for Thad we help in 22/23 not this year. We get him to play for us this year but we also might get Saric back sometime before the playoffs this year. I like the idea of keeping Saric around along with Smith so we do not mess with the chemistry and minute distribution of this team. We will have to make a decision on McGee as well for 22/23. If Smith shows us something and Saric comes back healthy, we may want to keep them and not resign McGee.

James Jones has a lot on his plate. We have a very talented very deep roster, which I expect everyone would like James to keep. I really can't stand the super team rosters with a few making all the money. When injuries come they are screwed.

Hopefully James can get Ayton and Shamet signed to contracts that will allow us to keep this team together for several years. I am excited about watching them play in a couple of days.

Go Suns

[Moochthemonkey]

$200 million is half Bobby $aver's net worth. Still stupidly rich. But for fun, some majority owners who will be footing similar bills: Peter Guber and Joe Lacob are worth 2 billion. Joe Tsai is worth 9.8 billion. Steve Ballmer 100 billion (wtf).

[bwgood77]

Looking at that tax bill, if Saric and Smith for Thad was on the table, I think we would do it just to get out of Saric's salary next year. I think there is a good chance we give someone a first later just to take Saric. Or slight possibility we trade Crowder for no salary or at least not much salary in return.

I do not think we have a tax problem for 21/22 our problem will be in 22/23. If we trade for Thad we help in 22/23 not this year. We get him to play for us this year but we also might get Saric back sometime before the playoffs this year. I like the idea of keeping Saric around along with Smith so we do not mess with the chemistry and minute distribution of this team. We will have to make a decision on McGee as well for 22/23. If Smith shows us something and Saric comes back healthy, we may want to keep them and not resign McGee.

James Jones has a lot on his plate. We have a very talented very deep roster, which I expect everyone would like James to keep. I really can't stand the super team rosters with a few making all the money. When injuries come they are screwed.

Hopefully James can get Ayton and Shamet signed to contracts that will allow us to keep this team together for several years. I am excited about watching them play in a couple of days.

Go Suns

Yes, this year isn't a problem since Ayton, Bridges and Shamet will still be on their rookie deals.