Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[letsgosuns]

Might as well have Channing Frye for way less money.

Well, unless you are a fan of rebounding. I wouldn't trade for him though because he will be a free agent in 2016 if he opts in....heck, he may bolt somewhere this summer.

Yeah but not for 20+ million a year. There are other power forwards out there that are good rebounders and good defenders who are much cheaper. The Suns could even draft a power forward and build that way too.

[bwgood77]

I am just saying that the Cavs are the favorites to win the East. They have the best player in the world in Lebron and the best scoring point guard in the league in Irving. They are trying to build a champion and they are benching Love when it matters most. I know he has had the back problems but I have watched the Cavs a lot throughout the year. Love has complained many times when he said they are treating him almost exclusively as a three point shooting stretch four. Yet whenever I see him get the ball in the post he struggles to score. Sometimes he does score but he looks like he is having such a hard time doing it.

My point is this. If it takes a great defensive team to win the championship, then Love is not the guy you want to pay max money to and build your team around. Third option behind Lebron and Irving, that is different. But the Suns would be signing him to be their superstar and he is not on that level. Even if you have an elite rim protector, Love's offensive game is not good enough to offset his lack of defense. Nowitzki is not a great defender but he is a historically great offensive player who is unstoppable. Plus he is a 7 footer. Love is 6'10". Those two inches are an enormous difference when it comes to basketball. No one can stop Nowitzki and he can shoot over people. Love, like most other players, is unable to do that. Plus he is nowhere near the offensive player that Nowtizki is anyway.

The Cavs did bench him the other night when Irving was on fire, but I've also seen them ride his hot hand down the stretch. Love's main strength is his rebounding. He is among the very best rebounders in the entire league. He is also probably the best or at least a top 3 stretch 4. Sure he lacks on D, but not everyone is good at everything.

The reason the Cavs need him as a stretch 4 is because LeBron and Irving need room to drive, plus they have Mozgov in the middle. Plus, most teams want a stretch four and most of the elite teams have them.

If one of the best teams in the league may leave him on the bench down the stretch that isn't as big as a deal as a lesser team doing so. Many teams leave studs on the bench if the guys in the game are hot.

I don't expect us to end up with Love, but I'll take anything that will improve our team. I think we should draft a 4 regardless. It's not easy to find really good PFs. But it all depends on what it would take to get someone, whether they would stay, etc, to know if they are worth going after.

[JJ13]

Deandre Jordan all day...Max him out

Do we have enough to max out DJ and KLove?

Trade the Morri and Tucker, put Archie at SG, Warren at SF

Bledsoe
Archie
Warren
Klove
Jordan

Great spacing, great slashing, great athleticism, unreal rebounding - might need another 3pt shooter, but I love this team

[Safety Pickle]

Deandre Jordan all day...Max him out

Do we have enough to max out DJ and KLove?

Trade the Morri and Tucker, put Archie at SG, Warren at SF

Bledsoe
Archie
Warren
Klove
Jordan

Great spacing, great slashing, great athleticism, unreal rebounding - might need another 3pt shooter, but I love this team

That's not great spacing. Love is the only great shooter there. Bledsoe is about average and Archie/Warren are both slashers not shooters

[JJ13]

Deandre Jordan all day...Max him out

Do we have enough to max out DJ and KLove?

Trade the Morri and Tucker, put Archie at SG, Warren at SF

Bledsoe
Archie
Warren
Klove
Jordan

Great spacing, great slashing, great athleticism, unreal rebounding - might need another 3pt shooter, but I love this team

That's not great spacing. Love is the only great shooter there. Bledsoe is about average and Archie/Warren are both slashers not shooters

Does slashing not create space? Agree there'd need to be another shooter though.

[bwgood77]

Deandre Jordan all day...Max him out

Do we have enough to max out DJ and KLove?

Trade the Morri and Tucker, put Archie at SG, Warren at SF

Bledsoe
Archie
Warren
Klove
Jordan

Great spacing, great slashing, great athleticism, unreal rebounding - might need another 3pt shooter, but I love this team

That's not great spacing. Love is the only great shooter there. Bledsoe is about average and Archie/Warren are both slashers not shooters

Well, that is probably why Archie and Warren don't play a little more. In this day and age you NEED to be able to stretch the floor and pull people out of the paint, so as long as people respect your ability...I think we have to hope/assume that Archie and Warren get there. The fact that they are so good around the basket will be a big plus if they get that range. But Love and Jordan would be a perfect pairing.

If Archie and Warren could develop range that would be a great lineup that could outrebound anyone.

[Jdiddy701]

Don't know if reported or not, but Danny Granger will not be suiting up this season for us. Suns really want him in future plans. They're getting him ready for next season.


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[JJ13]

Are we able to do sign and trade with Cavs for KLove this summer?? Morri+Tucker going out?

[Qwigglez]

Are we able to do sign and trade with Cavs for KLove this summer?? Morri+Tucker going out?

I would do this deal, and then swing a Eric Bledsoe, Heat 2017 pick for Gordon Hayward. Match any offer for Knight.

Knight/Hayward/Warren/Love/Len +Archie/Bogdanovic/Bullock/Wright

[Saberestar]

In the last few games the MoBros have grown in me a little bit. Hornacek has said that he is not looking for "urgency " in his player’s style, and probably they are more calm down. Hopefully they play well consistently the last fourteen games, so we can have more hopes for next year with them on the roster or their trade value is higher and we can trade them for an All Star player.

[NavLDO]

nahh that shouldnt count he was coming to a new team with almost no practice.

incidentally he finally started to look like himself in that first half where he sprained his ankle

I'm not sure how you did it, but you just made it look like I said something that NavDo said....don't put his words in my mouth!

Or anything else of mine in his mouth either!

And it's NavLDO...I'm a limited duty officer in the Navy--I don't "Do" the Navy!

Wow, I really need to clean-up the nasty/gross thoughts in my head!!!! 2 in one post!!

But back to business--I get that if McD started at $14M, they likely would have settled on $15M, but if $14M was McD's number, I think that it gets resolved quicker. It appears that Bledsoe's agent was the major culprit in the length/level of the drama that ensued, but I find it hard to believe that if $14M was McD's number, that he'd let what happened, actually happen. I think he was set on $12-$12.5M, and refused to budge from that early on, but as the deadline approached, I think he and Sarver/Babby caved a bit to make it happen. I honestly think that had our FO offered closer to $14M earlier, and had not given the impression early on that they would budge somewhat, the deal would have been done sooner, and likely close to what was signed. It takes two to tango, of course, because Bledsoe's camp gave the impression that they wouldn't come down from the Max, as well.

nahh that shouldnt count he was coming to a new team with almost no practice.

incidentally he finally started to look like himself in that first half where he sprained his ankle.

And as far as his play "counting" or not--doesn't matter the circumstances, the team negotiating to sign him is going to bring that up. Fair or not, it can, and will be, 'spun' during the negotiations, just like any injury would, or any other factor that helps to make the case for the team.

I agree with you that it shouldn't count, but I know if I'm the Suns' FO, I'm bringing that up as "hey, we really like you and want to sign you, but your stats, etc., show you are worth about what [insert name here of PG with similar stats/metrics that got paid whatever contract that player signed in FA this year].

Knight's camp is likely to argue exactly what you are saying, but the FO is going to counter with the above an say it's the most recent stats on the team he's paying for now--how do they know whether it's due to playing in the West as opposed to the East, or whether it's due to a different team/teammates, or other.

So that was my point--not that I actually believe it's reality, or ground truth, just that it's going to be used in negotiations.

[Safety Pickle]

Are we able to do sign and trade with Cavs for KLove this summer?? Morri+Tucker going out?

I don't think there's much chance that the Cavs trade Love. Especially if they make a deep playoff run. They would essentially have traded Wiggins for Morri/Tucker which looks terrible for them

[In Len We Trust]

Are we able to do sign and trade with Cavs for KLove this summer?? Morri+Tucker going out?

I don't think there's much chance that the Cavs trade Love. Especially if they make a deep playoff run. They would essentially have traded Wiggins for Morri/Tucker which looks terrible for them

Why do I keep getting notifications for being quoted by someone when it isn't me who got quoted? I just got a notification for this and I'm not JJ13. Its been going on for several days and it has all been in this thread. Kinda weird.

[bwgood77]

Are we able to do sign and trade with Cavs for KLove this summer?? Morri+Tucker going out?

I don't think there's much chance that the Cavs trade Love. Especially if they make a deep playoff run. They would essentially have traded Wiggins for Morri/Tucker which looks terrible for them

Why do I keep getting notifications for being quoted by someone when it isn't me who got quoted? I just got a notification for this and I'm not JJ13. Its been going on for several days and it has all been in this thread. Kinda weird.

This forum may be too complicated for you.

[MrMiyagi]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

[bwgood77]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

Yeah, he's a stud, but I don't think we have the money and Chicago would be crazy not to keep him.

[In Len We Trust]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

I'm sure every single team with the cap space will offer him the max. No reason for Chicago not to match either considering the cap is going to explode.

[MrMiyagi]

Isn't the cap supposed to expand after next year, or am I mistaken?

[King4Day]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

Yeah, he's a stud, but I don't think we have the money and Chicago would be crazy not to keep him.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

[bwgood77]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

Yeah, he's a stud, but I don't think we have the money and Chicago would be crazy not to keep him.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

I don't know if we will have that money or not...I didn't think so. I don't think poison pill deals will work (even if they are allowed) because in two years, the influx of cash will be so big, no one will worry about having to pay anyone that gets signed this summer while deals are still relatively small in comparison to what they will be the next summer and beyond.