Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Puff]

@InsiderSuns: Final: Suns 93 | Pelicans 87
• Booker (PHX) 31pts, 9rebs, 2asts
• Harrellson (PHX) 19pts, 9rebs
• James (PHX) 13pts, 4rebs, 6asts


I think booker is a keeper. Booker develops alittle more the Suns could (and absolutely should) move to a traditional PG and sG lineup. Trade off Bledsoe (unless he proves me and Many many many others this year and shows he is a capable PG/shooter but highly unlikely).

I agree with you on Booker. Bogdanovic could also provide even more depth and Size for us at the wing, next year. Our back court is really beginning to take shape.

Hopefully both Bledsoe and Knight have fine years along with Goodwin. We could then really have some great assets to make a trade for the franchise player we have been after forever.

Go Suns

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I know that you have not joined the Bledsoe fan club, there are not a lot of members. I am not convinced on Bledsoe either but neither am I convinced that Knight is going to be all that good as well. I think they both have a lot to prove. Quite frankly, at first glance, Booker looks better than ANYONE else on our roster. He just seems to be in the right place and never stands around and pouts. I just love his overall persona. I hope it is not a mirage. He is the whole package IMO.

[Revived]

@InsiderSuns: Final: Suns 93 | Pelicans 87
• Booker (PHX) 31pts, 9rebs, 2asts
• Harrellson (PHX) 19pts, 9rebs
• James (PHX) 13pts, 4rebs, 6asts


I think booker is a keeper. Booker develops alittle more the Suns could (and absolutely should) move to a traditional PG and sG lineup. Trade off Bledsoe (unless he proves me and Many many many others this year and shows he is a capable PG/shooter but highly unlikely).

I agree with you on Booker. Bogdanovic could also provide even more depth and Size for us at the wing, next year. Our back court is really beginning to take shape.

Hopefully both Bledsoe and Knight have fine years along with Goodwin. We could then really have some great assets to make a trade for the franchise player we have been after forever.

Go Suns

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I doubt it. I think the Suns, or maybe just McD, is trying to sell everyone on Bledsoe being some sort of bidding star (don't laugh!). He's said it many times in his interviews how Bledsoe is the best player and Bledsoe is the guy everyone should follow etc. I think Bledsoe being at the LMA meeting and McD having LMA talk to Bledsoe alone "separately" shows that McD sees Bledsoe as "the guy" who other superstar players will want to come play with (again, don't laugh).

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

Bledsoe is also the first McD acquisition iirc. He's not going anywhere whether we like it or not IMO.

[rsavaj]

Good read on how 2016 free agency is gonna suck: http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

[rsavaj]

Amin is a horrible person who thinks he's witty and clever. I hope one day ESPN hires on Lon Babby to a pOsition where he can fire Amin... Again lol


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I think we're taking twitter a bit too seriously if we're calling a guy who makes his living off being a troll a "horrible person".

He's a smart dude who knows what keeps him in the limelight, and he has a lot more basketball knowledge than we do. Worked his way up from intern to Suns FO because Kerr/Griffin saw something in him; that doesn't happen if he's a moron.

If you're tired of Amin's trolling, the easiest way to get him out of your life is unfollowing him like I did!

[jcsunsfan]

I agree with you on Booker. Bogdanovic could also provide even more depth and Size for us at the wing, next year. Our back court is really beginning to take shape.

Hopefully both Bledsoe and Knight have fine years along with Goodwin. We could then really have some great assets to make a trade for the franchise player we have been after forever.

Go Suns

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I doubt it. I think the Suns, or maybe just McD, is trying to sell everyone on Bledsoe being some sort of bidding star (don't laugh!). He's said it many times in his interviews how Bledsoe is the best player and Bledsoe is the guy everyone should follow etc. I think Bledsoe being at the LMA meeting and McD having LMA talk to Bledsoe alone "separately" shows that McD sees Bledsoe as "the guy" who other superstar players will want to come play with (again, don't laugh).

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

Bledsoe is also the first McD acquisition iirc. He's not going anywhere whether we like it or not IMO.

You are making huge assumptions about Bledsoe's personal life and friendships. You cannot possibly know anything about it. Its pure nonesense.

[letsgosuns]

Good read on how 2016 free agency is gonna suck: http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

Excellent article. Really goes to show why losing out on LaMarcus Aldridge this year was so tough because there is virtually no one available next year besides Durant and he will have all 30 teams ready to throw max money at him. Yet I still believe he will stay in Oklahoma City. Why wound't he? They can give him the most money by far, they have a championship contending team, and they will offer him the keys to the city. It is not like he needs to go to a big market. He is the market. He is on so many commercials and has several sponsors. Many execs have already said they believe he will stay there. So after that, there really is no big free agent available. The Suns have to either trade for a superstar or hope that one of their current players turns into one.

[saintEscaton]

Good read on how 2016 free agency is gonna suck: http://hoopshype.com/2015/07/19/the-great-big-myth-of-free-agency-2016/

Excellent article. Really goes to show why losing out on LaMarcus Aldridge this year was so tough because there is virtually no one available next year besides Durant and he will have all 30 teams ready to throw max money at him. Yet I still believe he will stay in Oklahoma City. Why wound't he? They can give him the most money by far, they have a championship contending team, and they will offer him the keys to the city. It is not like he needs to go to a big market. He is the market. He is on so many commercials and has several sponsors. Many execs have already said they believe he will stay there. So after that, there really is no big free agent available. The Suns have to either trade for a superstar or hope that one of their current players turns into one.

Aren't you forgetting about Horford? He's just he kind of classic PF we need a skilled passer who can bang low with some extended range. Only thing is he's more of a third offensive option and isn't really a high volume go to scorer like LMA but trumps him in every other category. Anyways e won't have a ticket in the Durant sweepstakes besides a formal reach around. It'll most likely be between his hometown Wizards and OKC with some big market lottery teams bidding for his services in vain

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I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I doubt it. I think the Suns, or maybe just McD, is trying to sell everyone on Bledsoe being some sort of bidding star (don't laugh!). He's said it many times in his interviews how Bledsoe is the best player and Bledsoe is the guy everyone should follow etc. I think Bledsoe being at the LMA meeting and McD having LMA talk to Bledsoe alone "separately" shows that McD sees Bledsoe as "the guy" who other superstar players will want to come play with (again, don't laugh).

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

Bledsoe is also the first McD acquisition iirc. He's not going anywhere whether we like it or not IMO.

You are making huge assumptions about Bledsoe's personal life and friendships. You cannot possibly know anything about it. Its pure nonesense.

I'm making assumptions? Ok...guys like Paul Coro and John Gambo who both know 200x more than me and you have said in various articles that Bledsoe is a very quiet guy and that he doesn't exactly socialize a lot with his teammates and others and keeps to himself most of the time. So if I'm making assumptions, it's based off their word which again, is worth a whole lot more than mine or yours.

[RaisingArizona]

I read something about Bledsoe making an effort to be more vocal. Example: talking to the guys at the draft workout (Booker), going to the summer league games, etc. Honestly, this was Dragic's team last year so this would be Bledsoe's first full year as the head of a team. I think we need to give the guy a bit of leeway with this leadership role.

[aIvin adams]

I doubt it. I think the Suns, or maybe just McD, is trying to sell everyone on Bledsoe being some sort of bidding star (don't laugh!). He's said it many times in his interviews how Bledsoe is the best player and Bledsoe is the guy everyone should follow etc. I think Bledsoe being at the LMA meeting and McD having LMA talk to Bledsoe alone "separately" shows that McD sees Bledsoe as "the guy" who other superstar players will want to come play with (again, don't laugh).

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

Bledsoe is also the first McD acquisition iirc. He's not going anywhere whether we like it or not IMO.

You are making huge assumptions about Bledsoe's personal life and friendships. You cannot possibly know anything about it. Its pure nonesense.

I'm making assumptions? Ok...guys like Paul Coro and John Gambo who both know 200x more than me and you have said in various articles that Bledsoe is a very quiet guy and that he doesn't exactly socialize a lot with his teammates and others and keeps to himself most of the time. So if I'm making assumptions, it's based off their word which again, is worth a whole lot more than mine or yours.

saying he is quiet isn't the same as saying he doesn't have any friends and that nobody wants to play with him.

[bwgood77]

I agree with you on Booker. Bogdanovic could also provide even more depth and Size for us at the wing, next year. Our back court is really beginning to take shape.

Hopefully both Bledsoe and Knight have fine years along with Goodwin. We could then really have some great assets to make a trade for the franchise player we have been after forever.

Go Suns

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I know that you have not joined the Bledsoe fan club, there are not a lot of members. I am not convinced on Bledsoe either but neither am I convinced that Knight is going to be all that good as well. I think they both have a lot to prove. Quite frankly, at first glance, Booker looks better than ANYONE else on our roster. He just seems to be in the right place and never stands around and pouts. I just love his overall persona. I hope it is not a mirage. He is the whole package IMO.

I wouldn't be sold as either as our sole pg, but that's why I'm somewhat glad we have them both. We have guys that don't have to take on TOO much responsibility, can share the ballhandling duties, have different strengths and weaknesses, and one can always be on the floor so we don't have much of a drop of at all when one sits.

[sunsfever68]

I found out real quick how unprofessional Amin is first hand. He tweeted about how coaches made fun of the Suns system under dantoni. So I tweeted him and said "I understand you don't like Suns but your hate level is a bit disturbing."

He tweeted me back and said I should change my Twitter name to Az_dunce. I just laughed and said nice try.

He's a clown. It's disgraceful he gets to call himself a professional.

I roasted him on twitter for being the only ESPN anchor that none of his colleagues respect and he said I look like some actor's (Please Use More Appropriate Word) 3rd brother hahaha

Honestly he's awful at his job no one respects him he needs to get a job somewhere else bc sports isn't his thing

[sunsfever68]

Booker's jumper looks great, he looks great moving off the ball catch and shoot, catch take a few dribbles pull up and has solid handles. We will have a plethora of talented guards in Bled, Knight, Booker, Goodwin, Bogdanovic. We can ship 1 or 2 for a star power forward and contend in the future.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Anyone with ESPN insider want to list where they had the sun ranked in their "best under 25 core" article?

[saintEscaton]

You are making huge assumptions about Bledsoe's personal life and friendships. You cannot possibly know anything about it. Its pure nonesense.

I'm making assumptions? Ok...guys like Paul Coro and John Gambo who both know 200x more than me and you have said in various articles that Bledsoe is a very quiet guy and that he doesn't exactly socialize a lot with his teammates and others and keeps to himself most of the time. So if I'm making assumptions, it's based off their word which again, is worth a whole lot more than mine or yours.

saying he is quiet isn't the same as saying he doesn't have any friends and that nobody wants to play with him.

Bled seems like a level headed amiable guy. Maybe the "strong silent" type but really his frustration is shown by his immature body language which is not an assuring sign. He'd rather take it out on himself than constructively take charge of the team but this is because he is probably aware that he will never become an assertive floor general due to his deficient BBIQ. Of course he is no alpha dog and lacks the killer instinct to be that X-Factor (except when he's going up against a truly elite PG and wants to meet the challenge).

[King4Day]

Anyone with ESPN insider want to list where they had the sun ranked in their "best under 25 core" article?

They have us ranked 22nd. Meanwhile the Hornets are 7th and Raptors 8th so go figure that one out.

[saintEscaton]

Anyone with ESPN insider want to list where they had the sun ranked in their "best under 25 core" article?

They have us ranked 22nd. Meanwhile the Hornets are 7th and Raptors 8th so go figure that one out.

Did Elhassan do it this year too? Anyways who is our best U25 player? Its probably BKnight who is already seasoned. We shouldn't be in the top 10 for sure since we don't even have a surefire proven core of younins but I think 22nd might be a little too low. (Jazz probably have the most formidable assembly of young talent at premium positions that are hard to come by. Bucks have the trio Parker, Greak Freek and Middleton, TWolves have two possible franchise players along with Dieng and Lavine. Other than the Nuggets we aren't miles ahead of any other Western team) We are basically the Raptors of the West if you thinka bout it. Lowry is the less athletic/playmaking version of Bled, DeRozan is a explosive but flawed scorer with a chucking habit, Carroll is an upgraded version of PJ(but who knows how he will do outside of Budenholzer's system he was assisted on 80%+ of his field goals last season) and they have poor frontcourt depth. They bottomed in a weak '11 draft just like we did in '13 and came out with a Euro center like Len in Valanciunas who is a surer thing without the injury history but probably has a more limited upside. Only difference is in the east a squad like that is guaranteed a playoff birth with a decent seeding and has a chance to make it out of the first round.

[franksredhot]

Did anyone watch the Brandon Knight re-introductory? Knight Said they came to terms fairly quickly suns made a "very fair offer"

Baby took shots at last years team said it lacked Leadership/Maturity and professionalism
then went on to talking about this summers transactions Chandler/Miza etc.
and that they might not be done, I personally think they have been reaching out to keef and he hasnt responded at all
just my opinion i think he is a goner..

[King4Day]

Did anyone watch the Brandon Knight re-introductory? Knight Said they came to terms fairly quickly suns made a "very fair offer"

Baby took shots at last years team said it lacked Leadership/Maturity and professionalism
then went on to talking about this summers transactions Chandler/Miza etc.
and that they might not be done, I personally think they have been reaching out to keef and he hasnt responded at all
just my opinion i think he is a goner..

Could be. I picked up the maturity comment too. I think it was a jab at Marcus and maybe IT and Dragic as well.

Kieff for Gibson maybe? Offense would struggle but at least we get rid of the bad egg.

[King4Day]

Anyone with ESPN insider want to list where they had the sun ranked in their "best under 25 core" article?

They have us ranked 22nd. Meanwhile the Hornets are 7th and Raptors 8th so go figure that one out.

Did Elhassan do it this year too? Anyways who is our best U25 player? Its probably BKnight who is already seasoned. We shouldn't be in the top 10 for sure since we don't even have a surefire proven core of younins but I think 22nd might be a little too low. (Jazz probably have the most formidable assembly of young talent at premium positions that are hard to come by. Bucks have the trio Parker, Greak Freek and Middleton, TWolves have two possible franchise players along with Dieng and Lavine. Other than the Nuggets we aren't miles ahead of any other Western team) We are basically the Raptors of the West if you thinka bout it. Lowry is the less athletic/playmaking version of Bled, DeRozan is a explosive but flawed scorer with a chucking habit, Carroll is an upgraded version of PJ(but who knows how he will do outside of Budenholzer's system he was assisted on 80%+ of his field goals last season) and they have poor frontcourt depth. They bottomed in a weak '11 draft just like we did in '13 and came out with a Euro center like Len in Valanciunas who is a surer thing without the injury history but probably has a more limited upside. Only difference is in the east a squad like that is guaranteed a playoff birth with a decent seeding and has a chance to make it out of the first round.

It didn't break down the Suns at all.

THE BOTTOM TEN

21. Atlanta Hawks (Projected three-year WARP: 33.0); 22. Phoenix Suns (26.3); 23. Denver Nuggets (22.1); 24. New York Knicks (22.0); 25. Brooklyn Nets (18.0); 26. Golden State Warriors (11.9); 27. Dallas Mavericks (7.3); 28. Miami Heat (6.6); 29. Memphis Grizzlies (6.2); 30. Los Angeles Clippers (0.2).

The teams that stand out are the ones who aren't competing for championships and, thus, shouldn't be in this group. That includes Denver, New York and Brooklyn. The Nuggets and Knicks have plenty of reason to hope that Emmanuel Mudiay and Kristaps Porzingis, respectively, will outstrip their projections. The Nets' picture is truly dreary though. Their highest-ranked forecasts are for Thomas Robinson and Chris McCullough, and it's debatable that the latter should have even been included given his knee injury and probable unavailability.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13284788/nba-ranking-young-cores-nba