Draft Discussion Part 3

[Waylay13]

I really dont want to touch Ball. He has a great open court game but his PnR game isnt there and he really has no post up or midrange game. To top this off he has the uglylest shot that I have ever seen. Now to get Josh Jackson I could see moving up. Jackson is my #2 overall by a good margin.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Did anyone hear Simmons talking about the Suns taking on Mozgov's (or Deng's) deal to move from 4 to 2 in order to select Ball? What do you think?

It makes sense from a trade value standpoint. Now I personally am not the biggest ball fan so i probably wouldn't do it but if the suns are smitten with lonzo and it was on the table they should do it.

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[Frank Lee]

Ball seems to be a polarizing player.... more so from from the arrogance displayed by his Pop, than by his talents.

I could see McD taking Moz rather than paying Len as the long term commitment likely equals out. it probably nets even or with in a couple milll just to move up to select the Ball Wonder. Certainly a Bled deal would have to follow.... RPaul would be sure of that.

so we end up with Ball, an extra lotto pick or???, and Mozgov, rather than Bled, #4, and Len ? Talk like this lends one to believe discussions have already begun on Bled.

Draft night is going to be a doozer.

[AtheJ415]

Ball seems to be a polarizing player.... more so from from the arrogance displayed by his Pop, than by his talents.

I could see McD taking Moz rather than paying Len as the long term commitment likely equals out. it probably nets even or with in a couple milll just to move up to select the Ball Wonder. Certainly a Bled deal would have to follow.... RPaul would be sure of that.

so we end up with Ball, an extra lotto pick or???, and Mozgov, rather than Bled, #4, and Len ? Talk like this lends one to believe discussions have already begun on Bled.

Draft night is going to be a doozer.

Not sure why Moz means Len is gone. Don't see them as mutually exclusive, particularly as a rebuilding team, particularly with how far we are from contending, and particularly given what the Warriors are doing. It's not like we actually need the cap space in the next few years. We should be okay paying our young talent, even if slightly overpaying, to gamble on them reaching their potential.

[Frank Lee]

Well, we will either sign Len or let him walk. He walks we still have a hole at C, Sauce or no Sauce. Moz fills that hole for a few years while we find a suitable replacement.

What do you think Len's ticket will be ?

[bwgood77]

I think if the Lakers want Ball, they will take him, and if not, they won't. While this much is obvious, I think if they were not set on him, he will likely be there at 4 anyway, so no need to take on a big contract to get him.

[Frank Lee]

That makes some sense Bgood.... but if they are indifferent AND can cut 48 million, positioning themselves for a better run in free agency this or next yr, it could be a very enticing move. If anything, these picks and deals are contingent upon other moves too.

What if it is McD, who is indeed infatuated with Ball? This isn't a game with just one domino.


BTW.... keeping Len is likely to be a 60 mill investment (5X12?)

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think if the Lakers want Ball, they will take him, and if not, they won't. While this much is obvious, I think if they were not set on him, he will likely be there at 4 anyway, so no need to take on a big contract to get him.

I don't think Philly would pass. Between us and Philly, we're the team that would take on Mozgov to secure Ball.

[edurham88]

I think if the Lakers want Ball, they will take him, and if not, they won't. While this much is obvious, I think if they were not set on him, he will likely be there at 4 anyway, so no need to take on a big contract to get him.

I don't think Philly would pass. Between us and Philly, we're the team that would take on Mozgov to secure Ball.

I don't think they would either. I think he is a perfect fit next to Simmons if they are committed to using him as a point forward. Ball is not a ball dominant PG. It's the same reason that he would be a great offensive fit next to Booker.

[kennydorglas]

Just saw the Monk interview at our facility.
Dear god, this young guy oozes confidence.
I still think he has 'too much' of JR Smith, but if he keeps hitting those impossible shots in the NBA, look out.

Probably the #3 pick for Philly, almost a no brainer for me atm

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think if the Lakers want Ball, they will take him, and if not, they won't. While this much is obvious, I think if they were not set on him, he will likely be there at 4 anyway, so no need to take on a big contract to get him.

I don't think Philly would pass. Between us and Philly, we're the team that would take on Mozgov to secure Ball.

I don't think they would either. I think he is a perfect fit next to Simmons if they are committed to using him as a point forward. Ball is not a ball dominant PG. It's the same reason that he would be a great offensive fit next to Booker.

Word.

[Zelaznyrules]

I don't think Philly would pass. Between us and Philly, we're the team that would take on Mozgov to secure Ball.

I don't think they would either. I think he is a perfect fit next to Simmons if they are committed to using him as a point forward. Ball is not a ball dominant PG. It's the same reason that he would be a great offensive fit next to Booker.

Word.

Maybe you guys are right, and if it works that would be an incredibly entertaining team. But it seems to me they'd need the absolutely perfect lineup around them. And I'm not sure they have anyone on their roster right now that I think would fit alongside them unless you're going to count on Embiid, which I think is close to wishful thinking.

[bwgood77]

I think if the Lakers want Ball, they will take him, and if not, they won't. While this much is obvious, I think if they were not set on him, he will likely be there at 4 anyway, so no need to take on a big contract to get him.

I don't think Philly would pass. Between us and Philly, we're the team that would take on Mozgov to secure Ball.

I really can't see Philly taking Ball. Now I could see another team wanting to trade up and take Ball and could see Philly trading down and still being able to get Monk.

[bwgood77]

Just saw the Monk interview at our facility.
Dear god, this young guy oozes confidence.
I still think he has 'too much' of JR Smith, but if he keeps hitting those impossible shots in the NBA, look out.

Probably the #3 pick for Philly, almost a no brainer for me atm

Yes, definitely seems like a no brainer for Philly. They have a point forward and they need a dynamic shooter/scorer. They are the ONE team who REALLY wouldn't need to worry about his lack of passing while playing the 1 since Simmons will be the primary facilitator.

[Saberestar]

Ball seems to be a polarizing player.... more so from from the arrogance displayed by his Pop, than by his talents.

I could see McD taking Moz rather than paying Len as the long term commitment likely equals out. it probably nets even or with in a couple milll just to move up to select the Ball Wonder. Certainly a Bled deal would have to follow.... RPaul would be sure of that.

so we end up with Ball, an extra lotto pick or???, and Mozgov, rather than Bled, #4, and Len ? Talk like this lends one to believe discussions have already begun on Bled.

Draft night is going to be a doozer.

Not sure why Moz means Len is gone. Don't see them as mutually exclusive, particularly as a rebuilding team, particularly with how far we are from contending, and particularly given what the Warriors are doing. It's not like we actually need the cap space in the next few years. We should be okay paying our young talent, even if slightly overpaying, to gamble on them reaching their potential.

The problem is that there is not talent in Len. He is a solid backup C who is really really tall.

[Fo-Real]

Ball seems to be a polarizing player.... more so from from the arrogance displayed by his Pop, than by his talents.

I could see McD taking Moz rather than paying Len as the long term commitment likely equals out. it probably nets even or with in a couple milll just to move up to select the Ball Wonder. Certainly a Bled deal would have to follow.... RPaul would be sure of that.

so we end up with Ball, an extra lotto pick or???, and Mozgov, rather than Bled, #4, and Len ? Talk like this lends one to believe discussions have already begun on Bled.

Draft night is going to be a doozer.

Not sure why Moz means Len is gone. Don't see them as mutually exclusive, particularly as a rebuilding team, particularly with how far we are from contending, and particularly given what the Warriors are doing. It's not like we actually need the cap space in the next few years. We should be okay paying our young talent, even if slightly overpaying, to gamble on them reaching their potential.

I dont see us paying len as currently constructed with Ty Chandler and Alan Williams (would pay Alan). Surly would not keep Len if we add Moz God, because he is better than Len and will be making about what Len is probably gong to get for the next 3 years as opposed to 4 or 5.

[bwgood77]

Ball seems to be a polarizing player.... more so from from the arrogance displayed by his Pop, than by his talents.

I could see McD taking Moz rather than paying Len as the long term commitment likely equals out. it probably nets even or with in a couple milll just to move up to select the Ball Wonder. Certainly a Bled deal would have to follow.... RPaul would be sure of that.

so we end up with Ball, an extra lotto pick or???, and Mozgov, rather than Bled, #4, and Len ? Talk like this lends one to believe discussions have already begun on Bled.

Draft night is going to be a doozer.

Not sure why Moz means Len is gone. Don't see them as mutually exclusive, particularly as a rebuilding team, particularly with how far we are from contending, and particularly given what the Warriors are doing. It's not like we actually need the cap space in the next few years. We should be okay paying our young talent, even if slightly overpaying, to gamble on them reaching their potential.

I dont see us paying len as currently constructed with Ty Chandler and Alan Williams (would pay Alan). Surly would not keep Len if we add Mos God, because he is better than Len and will be making about what Len is probably gong to get for the next 3 years as opposed to 4 or 5.

He is not better than Len. And he's 7 year's older and makes a ton. If we take on his deal to move up two spots that would be insane. He's worse offensively, or close to the same, and far worse defensively.

Their comparisons this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/ZOHWV

If anyone doesn't want to pay Len $12 million or whatever, I can't imagine why they would want to pay and even worse player who is 7 years older $16 million a year for 3 years.

[Fo-Real]

If we are talking to the Lakers (I wouldnt think so), you wonder if its more to discuss Russsell and Moz coming back since they are probably set to pick Lonzo. But who would they want from us? Russell and Moz coming to us, with Bled and someone else going somewhere in a three way? We get Russell, Moz and still get to pick 4th? I dont know

[Fo-Real]

Not sure why Moz means Len is gone. Don't see them as mutually exclusive, particularly as a rebuilding team, particularly with how far we are from contending, and particularly given what the Warriors are doing. It's not like we actually need the cap space in the next few years. We should be okay paying our young talent, even if slightly overpaying, to gamble on them reaching their potential.

I dont see us paying len as currently constructed with Ty Chandler and Alan Williams (would pay Alan). Surly would not keep Len if we add Mos God, because he is better than Len and will be making about what Len is probably gong to get for the next 3 years as opposed to 4 or 5.

He is not better than Len. And he's 7 year's older and makes a ton. If we take on his deal to move up two spots that would be insane. He's worse offensively, or close to the same, and far worse defensively.

Their comparisons this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/ZOHWV

If anyone doesn't want to pay Len $12 million or whatever, I can't imagine why they would want to pay and even worse player who is 7 years older $16 million a year for 3 years.

If Len only gets 12 mil a year, that would be shocking and buck the current trend to overpay EVERYBODY!

[bwgood77]

I dont see us paying len as currently constructed with Ty Chandler and Alan Williams (would pay Alan). Surly would not keep Len if we add Mos God, because he is better than Len and will be making about what Len is probably gong to get for the next 3 years as opposed to 4 or 5.

He is not better than Len. And he's 7 year's older and makes a ton. If we take on his deal to move up two spots that would be insane. He's worse offensively, or close to the same, and far worse defensively.

Their comparisons this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/ZOHWV

If anyone doesn't want to pay Len $12 million or whatever, I can't imagine why they would want to pay and even worse player who is 7 years older $16 million a year for 3 years.

If Len only gets 12 mil a year, that would be shocking and buck the current trend to overpay EVERYBODY!

I don't think he will even get that much actually, unless someone like Brooklyn really plans on moving Lopez and won't mind drastically overpaying for him.