Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[Frank Lee]

I wouldn't hate a bledsoe deal centered around French Frank.

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[bwgood77]

I'd rather have Kyrie (more of a known quantity) than Ntilikina, even with how an Irving/Booker backcourt would presumably be disastrous defensively. But hey getting out of Tyson's contract by next summer and getting an alright PG prospect is passable.

I'm sure most everyone would rather have Kyrie, but would you rather have him over Frank at the expense of Josh Jackson or MAYBE one of our other young guys?

[bwgood77]

So this seems to work, though picks would probably have to be involved as well, and we might have to absorb one of the contracts going to NY....if we had to do that we should get a pick.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6916129

I can't see anyway the Cavs getting Melo without giving up Love. That's quite the logjam Lebron-Melo-Love even if only for a year.

That's not a bad small ball 3/4/5 lineup...other than defense maybe, but plenty of shooting and rebounding.

[Blackification]

I'd rather have Kyrie (more of a known quantity) than Ntilikina, even with how an Irving/Booker backcourt would presumably be disastrous defensively. But hey getting out of Tyson's contract by next summer and getting an alright PG prospect is passable.

I'm sure most everyone would rather have Kyrie, but would you rather have him over Frank at the expense of Josh Jackson or MAYBE one of our other young guys?

Why would that be the end all be all though? Even with Booker and Jackson off the table no one can put an offer around a PG that would help them with a package of players and picks. Carmelo has no value if we aren't involved to facilitate.

[Villalobos]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycua6kzv

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[Kerrsed]

Honestly, i am more than fine getting French Frank. I was high on him during the draft and still am. He is yet another positionless defender, being able to cover 1-3 easily with his long limbs and 6"5 height.

The issue is i dont see the Knicks giving him up yet (As they have hyped the hell out of him to fans), and the trade cant be made until August 4th.

But with that being said, here is my French Frank to PHX 3-way:

Cavs get: Melo/Bledsoe/Chandler (Same as my previous Irving trade)
Knicks get: Irving/Knight
Suns get: Frank/Thompson/OQuinn/maybe a 1st as well.

[bwgood77]

I would be really interesting if the Knicks had taken Dennis Smith, Jr, to see how the forum would feel about subbing him in for French Frank.

The good thing about Frank (theoretically) is that he is a good defender (or projects to be) with an insane wingspan. Then he also apparently has great court vision and can hit the 3. Still so little data on him though.

[sunskerr]

I'd rather have Kyrie (more of a known quantity) than Ntilikina, even with how an Irving/Booker backcourt would presumably be disastrous defensively. But hey getting out of Tyson's contract by next summer and getting an alright PG prospect is passable.

I'm sure most everyone would rather have Kyrie, but would you rather have him over Frank at the expense of Josh Jackson or MAYBE one of our other young guys?

Well when you put it that way, absolutely not. When we get a chance to collect our breaths and see through the cloud of name hype, there's honestly not that much of a talent disparity between Kyrie and Bledsoe. Bledsoe is slightly better at setting guys up and definitely a better defender. He is an amazing scorer though and you know he can get it done in the playoffs as well.

I'm not that sold on Ntilikina though. He's an ok prospect. I guess getting rid of Tyson's contract brings down type of value we can get in return for Bledsoe, though.

[Kerrsed]

Honestly, i am more than fine getting French Frank. I was high on him during the draft and still am. He is yet another positionless defender, being able to cover 1-3 easily with his long limbs and 6"5 height.

The issue is i dont see the Knicks giving him up yet (As they have hyped the hell out of him to fans), and the trade cant be made until August 4th.

But with that being said, here is my French Frank to PHX 3-way:

Cavs get: Melo/Bledsoe/Chandler (Same as my previous Irving trade)
Knicks get: Irving/Knight
Suns get: Frank/Thompson/OQuinn/maybe a 1st as well.

And to add on to this, sure, many people are all like, "Screw that we can get better with a Bledsoe trade", and i happen to think not.

This would have equaled out to us trading Bledsoe for the #8 pick, which people would have LOVED to do. Now that Irvings name is being thrown about, people are all of a sudden **** on this idea. Fact is Bledsoes value is about as high as it ever will be in a Suns uniform. Just remember the knees and remember that he will be looking for a huge contract soon.

[bwgood77]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycua6kzv

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ESPN trade machine sucks. The one here is much better.

[SkinnyOMiller]

I'd be down with that Bill Simmons trade, sending Bledsoe away and getting Frenchie McFrenchie and Frye back in return. Frenchie is raw but he's got terrific length and at least has the prospect of being a very good defensive player, plus his age is more aligned with the rest of the roster.

[bwoolf2]

I just dont like not only missing out on Kyrie when this franchise needs a proven superstar, but instead helping another team get him and getting a question mark of a PG in return. Like if it was DSJ or Fox no questions asked, but Nkiltana had red flags all over him

I don't think Kyrie is a superstar. He's an all-star. A guy who can score a lot, look good doing it, and that's it. He doesn't make his teammates better. People forget how badly everyone looked at him before LeBron got there and also before they went on that comeback in the finals. National media guys were trashing him and theorizing Kyrie trades during the finals. Then they go on the comeback and the perception of him swings back way too much the other way. "He's a top X player in the league." Nah. He's just a great scorer and fun to watch and lucky to play with one of the best players ever. A team like NY is going to get him and he's gonna chuck up 30 shots a game and be the next Melo for them.

And yeah, too bad NY didn't draft DSJ, then this would be great.

I know people really like DSJ and he looks to be a great prospect but French Frank is the better fit next to Booker, he is 6'6 with a huge wing span and is by far the best defense pg in the this past draft.

[BobbieL]

It's too easy and sensible...especially with Tyson. Deal will be done quick.

It makes so, soo, soooo much sense. Get er done! Maybe sneak BK to the Knicks while we're at it...

It really sucks when Legion Hoops starts piggybacking on Schultz.

I know - Schultz is probably the worst. Kyler, Broussard right up there. But I will play along with the Frank N to the Suns without giving up the core

Cleveland: Melo, Bled, Tyson, maybe the future NYK pick or two

NYK Kyrie, Brandon Knight and Shumpert, plus maybe the Heat pick for good measure, Toronto second rounder

Suns Love, Frank N Lee Frye and Lee - just switching salaries with Knight

I don't see how a deal gets done without the Suns taking Love and I want no part of Noah

[bwgood77]

Honestly, i am more than fine getting French Frank. I was high on him during the draft and still am. He is yet another positionless defender, being able to cover 1-3 easily with his long limbs and 6"5 height.

The issue is i dont see the Knicks giving him up yet (As they have hyped the hell out of him to fans), and the trade cant be made until August 4th.

But with that being said, here is my French Frank to PHX 3-way:

Cavs get: Melo/Bledsoe/Chandler (Same as my previous Irving trade)
Knicks get: Irving/Knight
Suns get: Frank/Thompson/OQuinn/maybe a 1st as well.

And to add on to this, sure, many people are all like, "Screw that we can get better with a Bledsoe trade", and i happen to think not.

This would have equaled out to us trading Bledsoe for the #8 pick, which people would have LOVED to do. Now that Irvings name is being thrown about, people are all of a sudden **** on this idea. Fact is Bledsoes value is about as high as it ever will be in a Suns uniform. Just remember the knees and remember that he will be looking for a huge contract soon.

My earlier one is probably more realistic. There is zero reason for Chandler to be included or Thompson...and the Knicks likely wouldn't take Knight. This one makes more sense for everyone...as NY takes on shorter contracts and Cleveland doesn't need Chandler. https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6916129

[SkinnyOMiller]

I just dont like not only missing out on Kyrie when this franchise needs a proven superstar, but instead helping another team get him and getting a question mark of a PG in return. Like if it was DSJ or Fox no questions asked, but Nkiltana had red flags all over him

I don't think Kyrie is a superstar. He's an all-star. A guy who can score a lot, look good doing it, and that's it. He doesn't make his teammates better. People forget how badly everyone looked at him before LeBron got there and also before they went on that comeback in the finals. National media guys were trashing him and theorizing Kyrie trades during the finals. Then they go on the comeback and the perception of him swings back way too much the other way. "He's a top X player in the league." Nah. He's just a great scorer and fun to watch and lucky to play with one of the best players ever. A team like NY is going to get him and he's gonna chuck up 30 shots a game and be the next Melo for them.

And yeah, too bad NY didn't draft DSJ, then this would be great.

I know people really like DSJ and he looks to be a great prospect but French Frank is the better fit next to Booker, he is 6'6 with a huge wing span and is by far the best defense pg in the this past draft.

I agree with that. He intrigued me during the draft process, very raw but very good length and I'd love to have a defensive lockdown point guard playing with Booker.



I also don't want Irving. I think the cost would be too much and he seems like he's potentially another Marbury type, the guy that is all about his numbers and everything else is secondary to that. He'd rather go be Batman on a crappy Knicks team than be Robin on a great Cavaliers team, meh.

[BobbieL]

First. We are definitively the best trade partner in this Melo Cleveland Kyrie NYK deal.
Second. Zingis is not getting traded.
Third. Bledsoe Melo James and Love is better than last year.
Fourth. Kyrie and Zingis is nice
Fifth. We don't want Love if Bledsoe is gone.
Sixth. I'd take Frank and picks from NYK and Cleveland for Bledsoe.
Seventh. Melo James and Love is no better than last year.
Eighth. Kyrie and Booker don't go well together, however if it doesn't cost Jackson, I'd be willing to roll the die with Kyrie, Booker, and Jackson going forward.
Ninth. Knicks want Kyrie so eighth won't happen.
Tenth. Knicks need to give up more than Melo to get Kyrie. And that's why we come in. Cleveland wouldn't want Frank and picks over Bledsoe. So Cleveland gets Bledsoe and Melo for Kyrie....James go nowhere. Knicks get Kyrie for Melo picks and Frank. We get Frank and picks for Bledsoe.....simple trade.

I was thinking around the same thing...shocker! The only problem is Melo makes about $6 million more than Kyrie, and the Cavs are way over the cap, so they'd have to dump Shumpert or Frye or someone somewhere. I suppose it makes sense for NY to have to take it back since they are getting the better player in the swap, but then again, they are also giving up Frank. So the question then is, would NY trade Frank, Melo and take back Frye or Shumpert, Kyrie...Frye makes a little more sense for them since they just signed Hardaway....funny side note..NY drafted both Frye and Shumpert.

I just did a trade machine and if the Cavs are taking on Carmelo, Bledsoe and Chandler, they have to move some off - Frye and Shumpert to the Suns with FRank N is not enough. So its either one Kevin Love or a combo of Shumpert, Frye and JR Smith - or all three

So in the end - the Suns move Knight, Bledsoe and Chandler for Frank N, Lee and Kevin Love

You get your long term PG
You get a shooter off the bench that might fit better then Knight
and you swap an extra year of Love for Chandler

[sunskerr]

Since Kerrsed has said that he likes Ntilikina, we can conclude that he will be a bust.

[Kerrsed]

Since Kerrsed has said that he likes Ntilikina, we can conclude that he will be a bust.

I also was first on the board with Jackson and even was making posts about taking him #1 if we won the lotto, so take it as you may.

[BobbieL]

Honestly, i am more than fine getting French Frank. I was high on him during the draft and still am. He is yet another positionless defender, being able to cover 1-3 easily with his long limbs and 6"5 height.

The issue is i dont see the Knicks giving him up yet (As they have hyped the hell out of him to fans), and the trade cant be made until August 4th.

But with that being said, here is my French Frank to PHX 3-way:

Cavs get: Melo/Bledsoe/Chandler (Same as my previous Irving trade)
Knicks get: Irving/Knight
Suns get: Frank/Thompson/OQuinn/maybe a 1st as well.

And to add on to this, sure, many people are all like, "Screw that we can get better with a Bledsoe trade", and i happen to think not.

This would have equaled out to us trading Bledsoe for the #8 pick, which people would have LOVED to do. Now that Irvings name is being thrown about, people are all of a sudden **** on this idea. Fact is Bledsoes value is about as high as it ever will be in a Suns uniform. Just remember the knees and remember that he will be looking for a huge contract soon.

My earlier one is probably more realistic. There is zero reason for Chandler to be included or Thompson...and the Knicks likely wouldn't take Knight. This one makes more sense for everyone...as NY takes on shorter contracts and Cleveland doesn't need Chandler. https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6916129

I like your trade because its basically Bledsoe for the 8th pick and still keep the core together.

Just wish the Suns could take Knight and flip him for Lee. Suns would clear like 11m more of cap space to absorb bad deals.

Kanter Singler and Ferguson for Chandler

[Kerrsed]

I just did a trade machine and if the Cavs are taking on Carmelo, Bledsoe and Chandler, they have to move some off - Frye and Shumpert to the Suns with FRank N is not enough. So its either one Kevin Love or a combo of Shumpert, Frye and JR Smith - or all three

So in the end - the Suns move Knight, Bledsoe and Chandler for Frank N, Lee and Kevin Love

You get your long term PG
You get a shooter off the bench that might fit better then Knight
and you swap an extra year of Love for Chandler

OR......TT, which is why i included him in my trade. If they take on Chandler, i think they would rather trade TT than Love.