The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

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Luka’s been really locked in defensively all game today.

[sunsbum]

Luka sure has a fat resume at 19. One thing you have to give the kid across the board is he's a winner wherever he goes.

[MrMiyagi]

An article about "PIPM" for those interested.

https://fansided.com/2018/01/11/nylon-calculus-introducing-player-impact-plus-minus/

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[Villalobos]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

[DirtyDez]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

I’m sure he’ll release an insane workout vid any day now then buy a house on Camelback Mtn.

[Revived]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

[Villalobos]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

He wants that #1 pick money. He'd lose like $6 million just dropping from #1 to #2 iirc.

[Saberestar]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

This EuroLeague is not gonna change if Ayton is #1 or not.

Doncic has played a solid F4, like he has been playing all season long. That is why he is considered a serious option as a #1 pick and he is a Top #5 pick absolutely for sure.

But at the end of the day I think that the Suns are gonna value more the huge upside that Ayton has. With his shooting, mobility, agility and size he probably is gonna be the perfect frontcourt player in the NBA.

[MrMiyagi]

According to Jacob Goldstein's PIPM analysis of the NBA last season, LeBron James (-1.19), Kevin Durant (-1.14), Steph Curry (-0.17) and James Harden (-0.08) were all negative DPIPM.

Some more interesting findings, Kevin Love (+0.61), Dirk Nowitzki (+0.67), Jonas Valenciunas (+0.87), DeMarcus Cousins (+0.59), Brook Lopez (+0.52), Channing Frye (+0.47) and Enes Kanter (+0.08) all had positive DPIPM values.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l6PWeds4w99_z1aQ5sxrwwjyTST_-esvRbQxAQHbsyE/edit#gid=0

[Villalobos]

Ayton sweating a bit rn

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

This EuroLeague is not gonna change if Ayton is #1 or not.

Doncic has played a solid F4, like he has been playing all season long. That is why he is considered a serious option as a #1 pick and he is a Top #5 pick absolutely for sure.

But at the end of the day I think that the Suns are gonna value more the huge upside that Ayton has. With his shooting, mobility, agility and size he probably is gonna be the perfect frontcourt player in the NBA.

Probably. Even though the "upside" thing has failed McDonough literally every time so far in the draft. Len, Chriss, Archie, Bender.

The one time he drafted a guy simply because he was a smart player who could shoot turned out to be by far his best pick. The second best player he drafted was an un-athletic college scorer with limited upside who could simply play.

[thamadkant]

According to Jacob Goldstein's PIPM analysis of the NBA last season, LeBron James (-1.19), Kevin Durant (-1.14), Steph Curry (-0.17) and James Harden (-0.08) were all negative DPIPM.

Some more interesting findings, Kevin Love (+0.61), Dirk Nowitzki (+0.67), Jonas Valenciunas (+0.87), DeMarcus Cousins (+0.59), Brook Lopez (+0.52), Channing Frye (+0.47) and Enes Kanter (+0.08) all had positive DPIPM values.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l6PWeds4w99_z1aQ5sxrwwjyTST_-esvRbQxAQHbsyE/edit#gid=0

It doesn't account other players On the court at the same time as the players not the quality of bench vs starters

[MrMiyagi]

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

This EuroLeague is not gonna change if Ayton is #1 or not.

Doncic has played a solid F4, like he has been playing all season long. That is why he is considered a serious option as a #1 pick and he is a Top #5 pick absolutely for sure.

But at the end of the day I think that the Suns are gonna value more the huge upside that Ayton has. With his shooting, mobility, agility and size he probably is gonna be the perfect frontcourt player in the NBA.

Probably. Even though the "upside" thing has failed McDonough literally every time so far in the draft. Len, Chriss, Archie, Bender.

The one time he drafted a guy simply because he was a smart player who could shoot turned out to be by far his best pick. The second best player he drafted was an un-athletic college scorer with limited upside who could simply play.

You're making it seem like Ayton isn't a smart basketball player or leagues better than the players you listed at the same point.

[thamadkant]

He shouldn’t, worst case scenario he’ll drop to Atlanta where their new HC is the same one that groomed Embiid so he will get good instruction there.

Or he drops to Dallas where Rick Carslie would be godsend for his career.

This EuroLeague is not gonna change if Ayton is #1 or not.

Doncic has played a solid F4, like he has been playing all season long. That is why he is considered a serious option as a #1 pick and he is a Top #5 pick absolutely for sure.

But at the end of the day I think that the Suns are gonna value more the huge upside that Ayton has. With his shooting, mobility, agility and size he probably is gonna be the perfect frontcourt player in the NBA.

Probably. Even though the "upside" thing has failed McDonough literally every time so far in the draft. Len, Chriss, Archie, Bender.

The one time he drafted a guy simply because he was a smart player who could shoot turned out to be by far his best pick. The second best player he drafted was an un-athletic college scorer with limited upside who could simply play.

Good thing Ayton is a heck of a player then.
20/10 With potential to be defender too

[Mjee]

Doncic had an average game in my opinion. Half of his points came at the free throw line. He will have a tough time guarding nba point guards. There were a couple silly turnovers that were made on his part.

I saw a lot of similarities between him and Devin booker !! They both demand the ball in crunch time.

Devin is going to want Ayton over Luka

[Kjdills13]

At the end of the day the game has changed it is a Guards/forwards league. We do not need a center to be a championship contender. A matter of fact a good center can be taken off the floor at times based on how the game is played now of days.

NO QUESTION draft DONIC, he is a big PG who can be dynamic with booker for the next 10 years. It's a guard and forward driven leage. Donic plays the game with such controll for such a young age, you cant coach that he has a chance to be a bigger version of Jason kid mixed with manu

[Villalobos]

I'm saying I don't trust McD's faith in upside. In Ayton's case he absolutely has to have defensive upside. If he can't defend you have to pray he'll be at least KAT good at offense, which isn't at all a given.

[thamadkant]

Doncic had an average game in my opinion. Half of his points came at the free throw line. He will have a tough time guarding nba point guards. There were a couple silly turnovers that were made on his part.

I saw a lot of similarities between him and Devin booker !! They both demand the ball in crunch time.

Devin is going to want Ayton over Luka

Suns lack of big men contibution showed a lot in the last 2 seasons... Hence why Jackson and Booker will ask for Ayton

[thamadkant]

I'm saying I don't trust McD's faith in upside. In Ayton's case he absolutely has to have defensive upside. If he can't defend you have to pray he'll be at least KAT good at offense, which isn't at all a given.

Doncic can't defend either....

With Ayton he has defended the perimeter well.. Guarding stretch bigs ... The knock on him is he doesn't come down and help defend when players break into the paint... He stays on his man at the perimeter.

[Villalobos]

I'm saying I don't trust McD's faith in upside. In Ayton's case he absolutely has to have defensive upside. If he can't defend you have to pray he'll be at least KAT good at offense, which isn't at all a given.

Doncic can't defend either....

With Ayton he has defended the perimeter well.. Guarding stretch bigs ... The knock on him is he doesn't come down and help defend when players break into the paint... He stays on his man at the perimeter.

Ayton is playing the most important defensive position. Doncic is playing the least (or second or third least depending where you put him).