Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[bwgood77]

Well, not only would Melo not play here, but McDonough is smart enough not to give this one second of thought. Or maybe, just one second of thought, and that's about it. I'm glad we seem to have a smart GM these days so we don't have to worry about stuff like this happening any more.

[DirtyDez]

Well, not only would Melo not play here, but McDonough is smart enough not to give this one second of thought. Or maybe, just one second of thought, and that's about it. I'm glad we seem to have a smart GM these days so we don't have to worry about stuff like this happening any more.

Well McD has said repeatedly that you need a star or borderline stars together to win a championship. I'm not saying there's even a 5% chance Melo would come here but I'd love to see him play with two dynamic guards and outside shooters. Whatever gets us the closest to a championship I am all for.

[Sundreamer]

Melo? I thought we were setting our sights on LeBron.

[Frank Lee]

the plan is to convince Melo to leave them this off season... aka Lebron Miami situation.

Didn't realize he had an opt out. What a tool if he bags NY and moves on.... they gutted their team for him.
Still see little to no desire from Phnx for Mr Me.

[thamadkant]

Melo? I thought we were setting our sights on LeBron.

Hope is still there...


Fingers crossed.

[lilfishi22]

JMac is right to the extent that we cannot completely rule it out. But I'd say it's incredibly unlikely. Almost as unlikely as Lebron signing with us.

Personally, I don't want to see him here. It cost the Knicks a decent TEAM to bring him to NY and he'll cost us that if he signs here. There's no doubt he's a great individual player who's proven he can at times carrying the team offensively on his own but is that the brand of basketball we want to be promoting? Do we want to build team where one guy takes all the shots and we defer to him whenever possible? Because regardless of what offensive schemes you run, Melo's gonna get his and he'll freeze out the other 4 guys on the court to get it. That's not what I want to see, that's not what the fans want to see and I don't believe McD has a shortcut-to-a-championship type of mindset.

[Safety Pickle]

JMac is right to the extent that we cannot completely rule it out. But I'd say it's incredibly unlikely. Almost as unlikely as Lebron signing with us.

Personally, I don't want to see him here. It cost the Knicks a decent TEAM to bring him to NY and he'll cost us that if he signs here. There's no doubt he's a great individual player who's proven he can at times carrying the team offensively on his own but is that the brand of basketball we want to be promoting? Do we want to build team where one guy takes all the shots and we defer to him whenever possible? Because regardless of what offensive schemes you run, Melo's gonna get his and he'll freeze out the other 4 guys on the court to get it. That's not what I want to see, that's not what the fans want to see and I don't believe McD has a shortcut-to-a-championship type of mindset.

I think the idea is to sign him in free agency, not trade for him. That way we won't have to gut our roster acquiring him

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm not the least bit a melo fan but heck if he had interest in coming here this summer then sure. I think bosh is a realistic target of he opts out.


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[Frank Lee]

I would not be at all surprised if we instead went after Deng or PPierce, then made a strong play for Love in '15. The KefMo/Frye combo at PF hasn't been all that bad.

[DirtyDez]

I'd rather go after Hayward because of age. Pierce is 70 and Deng has turned into a stiff. Bledsoe & Hayward are 23 and by the time their prime comes around we'll have a flexible payroll situation when Love and Durant become FA's.

[Scutt]

I didn’t want to start a new topic, but I want to vent so I am posing here:

I had high hopes in the offseason for the suns. We seemed to finally land a gm that was committed to rebuilding the right way. I listened and shook my head in complete agreement when the front office said they didn’t want to be a team stuck in the middle of the pack. If you are not a contender for a championship, you should be building towards one.

I was glad to see them ship off Gortat and Scola in the offseason, and I would be fine watching Bledsoe, Plumlee, Goodwin, Len, and to the lesser degree the Mori bros overachieve and get us more wins than expected. Yes, our pick would be worse, but that would mean our young talent would be developing, but this isn’t the case with this team. Night after night, I have to watch PJ Tucker, Gerald Green, and Channing Frye play 35 mins a night. Meanwhile, Goodwin has played surprising well in the few minutes he gets, but those are few and far between. Archie should be getting 20 minutes a night regardless of how he plays. The same thing for Len when he is healthy. The best experience is going up against actual NBA talent in a game setting, and don’t feed me the “rookies have to earn their minutes” line, on a playoff team, yes, but again, we are supposed to be a rebuilding team.

Those guys are not our future and them playing well all season to prove they can ball in the NBA does nothing but hurt us in the long term unless we trade them soon. I would include Dragic in this group, but we drafted him and I will forever be a fan, but he should be our only vet. When you play Dragic, Green, Frye, and Tucker (Guys who are all on the wrong side of 25) so many minutes every night, can you really call the Suns a REBUILDING team? Seems like a treadmill team to me.

Basically, I would love to see Tucker, Green, and Frye all moved to free up time for the youngsters, and if we get a good offer on Dragic, we should move him too. I am a long time Suns fan and those last two years of the Nash era were extremely painful, watching us gun for the 8th seed and ending up with 12th and 13th picks. The Suns are looking way too much like those post Yao Rockets teams right now. Of course the year there is a deep draft with 3 legit stars and possible franchise changers, the Suns decide to run and gun with a bunch of guys all looking for contracts and destroy their draft chances.

The funny part to me is Suns fans in all of this. In the offseason, when we were predicted to be abysmal, most fans embraced it and “hey we are finally rebuilding the right way, and this is the draft to do it in”. But now that we are a .500 team and look like we are going to overachieve this year, Suns fans have jumped back on the “win now” and be mediocre bandwagon. I’ve actually seen “fans” on here posting that we should package our 2014 picks for an impact veteran starter. Really?? I think we have enough of those as it is on this “so called” rebuilding Suns team.

[thamadkant]

I didn’t want to start a new topic, but I want to vent so I am posing here:

I had high hopes in the offseason for the suns. We seemed to finally land a gm that was committed to rebuilding the right way. I listened and shook my head in complete agreement when the front office said they didn’t want to be a team stuck in the middle of the pack. If you are not a contender for a championship, you should be building towards one.

I was glad to see them ship off Gortat and Scola in the offseason, and I would be fine watching Bledsoe, Plumlee, Goodwin, Len, and to the lesser degree the Mori bros overachieve and get us more wins than expected. Yes, our pick would be worse, but that would mean our young talent would be developing, but this isn’t the case with this team. Night after night, I have to watch PJ Tucker, Gerald Green, and Channing Frye play 35 mins a night. Meanwhile, Goodwin has played surprising well in the few minutes he gets, but those are few and far between. Archie should be getting 20 minutes a night regardless of how he plays. The same thing for Len when he is healthy. The best experience is going up against actual NBA talent in a game setting, and don’t feed me the “rookies have to earn their minutes” line, on a playoff team, yes, but again, we are supposed to be a rebuilding team.

Those guys are not our future and them playing well all season to prove they can ball in the NBA does nothing but hurt us in the long term unless we trade them soon. I would include Dragic in this group, but we drafted him and I will forever be a fan, but he should be our only vet. When you play Dragic, Green, Frye, and Tucker (Guys who are all on the wrong side of 25) so many minutes every night, can you really call the Suns a REBUILDING team? Seems like a treadmill team to me.

Basically, I would love to see Tucker, Green, and Frye all moved to free up time for the youngsters, and if we get a good offer on Dragic, we should move him too. I am a long time Suns fan and those last two years of the Nash era were extremely painful, watching us gun for the 8th seed and ending up with 12th and 13th picks. The Suns are looking way too much like those post Yao Rockets teams right now. Of course the year there is a deep draft with 3 legit stars and possible franchise changers, the Suns decide to run and gun with a bunch of guys all looking for contracts and destroy their draft chances.

The funny part to me is Suns fans in all of this. In the offseason, when we were predicted to be abysmal, most fans embraced it and “hey we are finally rebuilding the right way, and this is the draft to do it in”. But now that we are a .500 team and look like we are going to overachieve this year, Suns fans have jumped back on the “win now” and be mediocre bandwagon. I’ve actually seen “fans” on here posting that we should package our 2014 picks for an impact veteran starter. Really?? I think we have enough of those as it is on this “so called” rebuilding Suns team.

I agree with most if not all of your points.

Sure... Seeing Green score 20 is a good story...
Sure... Frye scoring 20 and shooting well at the 3 some games... Is a good story.

But absolutely hate the fact that it's because if these guys the suns are winning.
When the Suns have younger players that need development.
My motto is.. As long as the suns are developing their youth, win or lose... It's a win long term.



Buy it is a bit early in the season...

But come 30 games in... The young players need to be getting big minutes.

It seems the suns are out of the top 5 picks... Which is could be a worry long term...
But as long as the youth are developing in fine...
But missing out on stud draftees, then holding back the young already drafted players could be disastrous down the line.

Anyways it is early... And hope is still there.

[bwgood77]

I agree with most of the thoughts here, but part of the reason Frye needs to play quite a few minutes is to increase his trade value. I don't totally mind him as a vet for the team, but if you ARE going to trade him, you might as well show what he can do so you can maximize value, especially after he took a year off. Otherwise he is untradeable, and using up cap space to sit on the bench.

[JDLAW]

I am sorry that you appear to be bitterly disappointed by the early success of the Suns this year. But if you had paid attention and listened to what was coming out of the Suns organization, they had no intention of laying down and losing games on purpose or tanking as some might refer to it as. No one was looking to be abysmal. They were willing to accept a poor record if necessary, but every person within the organization from the owner to the general manager to the coaches and to the players have said they going to everything within their power to win games this year. They were offended by the pundit's who predicted that they would not win a single game in the western conference. I am sure the players took offense at that and won a few games to spite the press and pundits. Accept it and be happy they are respectable as opposed to abysmal.

The Suns will play their rookies and they will teach them to earn their playing time by working hard in practice and executing on the court. Any organization exhibits character will do this and will not simply hand over playing time to raw rookies when there are young veterans on the team that are outperforming them. It makes for a animosity and jealousy in the locker room and other places in the organization. Each one of the players on each one of the teams in the NBA want to play well and want to win. If you have management/coaching staff that are undermining these goals you lose credibility with the players, fans and investors. Look at the comments of Kevin Durant about his first couple of years in the league - he perceived management was holding back on improvement and he claims to have been miserable. Players around the league take notice of this when it comes time to select the destination when they become free agents. If you become known as a team does not appear to care about winning, the only free agents you attract are those mercenaries who do not care about winning and are only concerned with receiving a paycheck (Does Beasley and Tim Thomas and Joe Johnson come to mind?). We've had a few of those players in Phoenix over the past decade and frankly they are no fun to watch nor are they worth spending your money on for tickets.

Players build character within themselves and and improve by dealing with adversity, which includes often includes having to sit on the bench and bide your time while a more experienced or more developed player gets playing time and helps a team to win. When the message is clearly sent that you earn your playing time, and is not simply just given to you, a player will continue to strive for improvement to earn that playing time. You don't get this by trading players were committed to winning and improving themselves just in order to clear a path for younger players who have potential but who are not ready to play. There are countless players who were prematurely given game playing time in the name of "development" when they were not ready and as a consequence failed to develop. Veterans are necessary as they teach the youngest how to win in the league.

Everyone looks for askance at teams who trade away veterans and play rookies who are not ready. These often they are viewed as a joke among the league's veteran players and management and these teams often spend many years rebuilding and frankly never get out of the doldrums.

Further, keep this in mind from a player's standpoint, if you are a rookie and you were simply given playing time on the basis of youth and potential ahead of someone else was playing well and helping the team to win; would you feel secure three or four years down the road when the team acquires another player at your position has more potential or would you be concerned that you might be given the same treatment and ushered out the door?

Ask yourself this also, if you were a free agent looking for a new team would you look at joining a team that traded away those players that were helping to win games in order to play rookies who were not ready to contribute to a winning team, would you want to join that team? Most desirable free agents will not venture near a team that does this.

The Suns are handling their young players very appropriately. They're taking the long term approach by giving them playing time, coaching, training and development and telling them they have to continue to earn their playing time by doing things on the court when they do play. They are also letting them heal when they are injured. I would submit that Goodwin and Len will develop much faster under this approach than if he were simply thrown out there to become frustrated at their failures, develop bad habits and never learn how to win at this level.

As for the veteran players on the Suns that are getting some playing time, Channing Frye, Gerald Green, and P.J. Tucker, I am not worried about their playing at all. All of these players are young enough to be valuable contributors to a championship contending Suns team 2-3 year down the road. Each of these will lose some playing time when Bledsoe and Len return. Just as important, if you have a notion of trading some or all of these players, you want something valuable in return, these players would have trade market value if they were not showing their ability to play and contribute to a winning team.

I have followed this team since its inception and I have yet to see version of it that did not start the season with the goal of playoffs and a winning season. When you are rebuilding, and you do not throw away important building blocks for some questionable goal of playing rookies who are not ready to play in the league. By the way many of the stars did not get a lot of playing time early in their careers. Kobe only played 71 out of 82 games as a rookie and averaged only 15 minutes a game. Steve Nash only played in 62 games as a rookie and averaged just over 10 minutes. Paul George only played 61 games and 20 minutes a game for a dreadful Pacer team. Goodwin is young and not terribly strong physically. He has little experience. Len has little experience with American Basketball. They will gain experience in practice under the guidance of the coaching staff. It is better the Suns coaches to place them in situations they can succeed in as opposed to fail with the accompanying bad habits and loss if confidence.

I do agree with you on one point - should we not be trading our draft choices for 2014 or 2015 for anyone especially for mediocre players like Greg Monroe, Josh Smith, or declining players like Paul Pierce. We also should not be looking to bring in players like Shumpert or Asik that would stand in the way of players like Goodwin and Len earning playing time.

[bigfoot]

I didn’t want to start a new topic, but I want to vent so I am posing here:

I had high hopes in the offseason for the suns. We seemed to finally land a gm that was committed to rebuilding the right way. I listened and shook my head in complete agreement when the front office said they didn’t want to be a team stuck in the middle of the pack. If you are not a contender for a championship, you should be building towards one.

I was glad to see them ship off Gortat and Scola in the offseason, and I would be fine watching Bledsoe, Plumlee, Goodwin, Len, and to the lesser degree the Mori bros overachieve and get us more wins than expected. Yes, our pick would be worse, but that would mean our young talent would be developing, but this isn’t the case with this team. Night after night, I have to watch PJ Tucker, Gerald Green, and Channing Frye play 35 mins a night. Meanwhile, Goodwin has played surprising well in the few minutes he gets, but those are few and far between. Archie should be getting 20 minutes a night regardless of how he plays. The same thing for Len when he is healthy. The best experience is going up against actual NBA talent in a game setting, and don’t feed me the “rookies have to earn their minutes” line, on a playoff team, yes, but again, we are supposed to be a rebuilding team.

Those guys are not our future and them playing well all season to prove they can ball in the NBA does nothing but hurt us in the long term unless we trade them soon. I would include Dragic in this group, but we drafted him and I will forever be a fan, but he should be our only vet. When you play Dragic, Green, Frye, and Tucker (Guys who are all on the wrong side of 25) so many minutes every night, can you really call the Suns a REBUILDING team? Seems like a treadmill team to me.

Basically, I would love to see Tucker, Green, and Frye all moved to free up time for the youngsters, and if we get a good offer on Dragic, we should move him too. I am a long time Suns fan and those last two years of the Nash era were extremely painful, watching us gun for the 8th seed and ending up with 12th and 13th picks. The Suns are looking way too much like those post Yao Rockets teams right now. Of course the year there is a deep draft with 3 legit stars and possible franchise changers, the Suns decide to run and gun with a bunch of guys all looking for contracts and destroy their draft chances.

The funny part to me is Suns fans in all of this. In the offseason, when we were predicted to be abysmal, most fans embraced it and “hey we are finally rebuilding the right way, and this is the draft to do it in”. But now that we are a .500 team and look like we are going to overachieve this year, Suns fans have jumped back on the “win now” and be mediocre bandwagon. I’ve actually seen “fans” on here posting that we should package our 2014 picks for an impact veteran starter. Really?? I think we have enough of those as it is on this “so called” rebuilding Suns team.

Wrong on so many levels and honestly just another pro-tank post.

1) Too short-sighted to recognized you have to show the value of your veterans to other teams if you want to trade them for assets. Green, Frye, Tucker, and Dragic playing at high levels only increases their trade value. Sit them on the bench and you've created two problems. First no other team wants them and second you create animosity within the team.

2) Contrary to your opinion there are not a bunch of guys all looking for contracts. The Suns have everyone wrapped up but Bledsoe and Tucker who are restricted free agents. Everyone else is signed through next year. Frye has a player option but why would he exercise it?? If he did all the better as it frees more cap room next year for free agents.

3) Very few free agents go to teams with losing cultures. Houston, post-Yao, never hit rock bottom like you are saying we should do. Do you recall a top-3 pick made by Houston recently? Dwight Howard signed with Houston which was a team at the middle of the pack last year. Would he have signed with a cellar dwelling team? Not likely!

4) True Suns fans are always in the win now mode. You can wish all you want for a top 3 pick but the Leastern conference already has a death grip on the 2014 draft. I'll never understand hating on winning just to get some ping pong balls. Its akin to buying Powerball tickets for a retirement plan.

5) Our new GM said if the Suns were provided the opportunity to acquire a star player we will do it. We now have assets (veterans and draft picks) to do such a thing. If we can make our team better now then by all means we should do so.

6) Why does a team have to be made up of players 25 and under? Take a few minutes and research the average age of NBA teams with championships. You'll find it is about 29.

[Cutter]

I didn’t want to start a new topic, but I want to vent so I am posing here:

I had high hopes in the offseason for the suns. We seemed to finally land a gm that was committed to rebuilding the right way. I listened and shook my head in complete agreement when the front office said they didn’t want to be a team stuck in the middle of the pack. If you are not a contender for a championship, you should be building towards one.

I was glad to see them ship off Gortat and Scola in the offseason, and I would be fine watching Bledsoe, Plumlee, Goodwin, Len, and to the lesser degree the Mori bros overachieve and get us more wins than expected. Yes, our pick would be worse, but that would mean our young talent would be developing, but this isn’t the case with this team. Night after night, I have to watch PJ Tucker, Gerald Green, and Channing Frye play 35 mins a night. Meanwhile, Goodwin has played surprising well in the few minutes he gets, but those are few and far between. Archie should be getting 20 minutes a night regardless of how he plays. The same thing for Len when he is healthy. The best experience is going up against actual NBA talent in a game setting, and don’t feed me the “rookies have to earn their minutes” line, on a playoff team, yes, but again, we are supposed to be a rebuilding team.

Those guys are not our future and them playing well all season to prove they can ball in the NBA does nothing but hurt us in the long term unless we trade them soon. I would include Dragic in this group, but we drafted him and I will forever be a fan, but he should be our only vet. When you play Dragic, Green, Frye, and Tucker (Guys who are all on the wrong side of 25) so many minutes every night, can you really call the Suns a REBUILDING team? Seems like a treadmill team to me.

Basically, I would love to see Tucker, Green, and Frye all moved to free up time for the youngsters, and if we get a good offer on Dragic, we should move him too. I am a long time Suns fan and those last two years of the Nash era were extremely painful, watching us gun for the 8th seed and ending up with 12th and 13th picks. The Suns are looking way too much like those post Yao Rockets teams right now. Of course the year there is a deep draft with 3 legit stars and possible franchise changers, the Suns decide to run and gun with a bunch of guys all looking for contracts and destroy their draft chances.

The funny part to me is Suns fans in all of this. In the offseason, when we were predicted to be abysmal, most fans embraced it and “hey we are finally rebuilding the right way, and this is the draft to do it in”. But now that we are a .500 team and look like we are going to overachieve this year, Suns fans have jumped back on the “win now” and be mediocre bandwagon. I’ve actually seen “fans” on here posting that we should package our 2014 picks for an impact veteran starter. Really?? I think we have enough of those as it is on this “so called” rebuilding Suns team.

Wrong on so many levels and honestly just another pro-tank post.

1) Too short-sighted to recognized you have to show the value of your veterans to other teams if you want to trade them for assets. Green, Frye, Tucker, and Dragic playing at high levels only increases their trade value. Sit them on the bench and you've created two problems. First no other team wants them and second you create animosity within the team.

2) Contrary to your opinion there are not a bunch of guys all looking for contracts. The Suns have everyone wrapped up but Bledsoe and Tucker who are restricted free agents. Everyone else is signed through next year. Frye has a player option but why would he exercise it?? If he did all the better as it frees more cap room next year for free agents.

3) Very few free agents go to teams with losing cultures. Houston, post-Yao, never hit rock bottom like you are saying we should do. Do you recall a top-3 pick made by Houston recently? Dwight Howard signed with Houston which was a team at the middle of the pack last year. Would he have signed with a cellar dwelling team? Not likely!

4) True Suns fans are always in the win now mode. You can wish all you want for a top 3 pick but the Leastern conference already has a death grip on the 2014 draft. I'll never understand hating on winning just to get some ping pong balls. Its akin to buying Powerball tickets for a retirement plan.

5) Our new GM said if the Suns were provided the opportunity to acquire a star player we will do it. We now have assets (veterans and draft picks) to do such a thing. If we can make our team better now then by all means we should do so.

6) Why does a team have to be made up of players 25 and under? Take a few minutes and research the average age of NBA teams with championships. You'll find it is about 29.

Great post Bigfoot!

[thamadkant]

It's funny how some immediately assumes anyone upset that the youth not playing is pro-tank.

No one f$&king tanks and no one said to f$&king tank... I'm so sick of that word.

Fans rooting for the younger Suns players to get minutes is pro tanking????
How about because these players are more exciting to watch than others?
How about because these players show more talent per minute than the others?

How about because it's a win win situation short term and long term?

Bledsoe, Goodwin are f@&king awesome to watch to some fans...
So rooting for them to play big minutes is pro tanking???



No $hit I agree that yes Frye needs his value up, so does Green etc.
It's obvious you can't trade for value with rubbish.
And no offense to them, they do look good and good story and all..

But geez Goodwin getting 4 minute games is frustrating...


It's early... And I trust the suns GM are doing what's best...

But it's so annoying seein fans here use "pro-tanking" when other fans want to see the younger and more exciting suns players get minutes. Why can't the ALL fans get what they want? See a competitive suns team and get to see young exciting players develop in front of their eyes?
Get over yourselves. Who made you the judge and jury of what fans should want? It's a free forum. How about just let free opinion be free?

[JDLAW]

Why are you complaining about Goodwin's playing time? He is a developing rookie that is averaging over 12 minutes a game. Why are you concerned about Bledsoe's playing time? He averages over 35 mpg. Len is averaging 8 mpg in the 4 games he was able to play and in the first couple of games, when his ankle soreness was less, he got 8 and 13 minutes. Len will get PT when he physically ready to handle it. Plumlee, a second year player is getting 29 mpg. The Morris twins are averaging 24 and 26 minutes. The "old guys" - 27 year old Dragic - 33mpg, 28 year old Tucker 20 mpg, 30 year old Frye - 27 mpg, and 27 year old Green 29 mpg - some of which is because injuries to Bledsoe and Dragic.

I do not understand your complaint. The youth are playing. They are playing in every game they are available and playing reasonable minutes based on their level of development and abilities. None of the development players are being shorted on PT.

As for excitement the whole team is exciting.

Perhaps the problem is something different - like Smith and Christmas getting a few minutes you think should go elsewhere? Or could it be that they are winning?

[WeekapaugGroove]

A lot of good points in the posts above. It's a little annoying having ish get minutes ahead of Goodwin but other than that I don't think there's much to complain about the rotations. Lens hurt and goodwins a very raw 19 yr old.

I was all for losing a bunch and getting a high pick but I'm fine with this present construction of a team and assets overachieving. If they look like an up and comer in the west and Bledsoe progresses to an allstar type player they have plenty of cap space and picks to significantly improve this team next summer.


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[JMac1]

It's funny how some immediately assumes anyone upset that the youth not playing is pro-tank.

No one f$&king tanks and no one said to f$&king tank... I'm so sick of that word.

Fans rooting for the younger Suns players to get minutes is pro tanking????
How about because these players are more exciting to watch than others?
How about because these players show more talent per minute than the others?

How about because it's a win win situation short term and long term?

Bledsoe, Goodwin are f@&king awesome to watch to some fans...
So rooting for them to play big minutes is pro tanking???



No $hit I agree that yes Frye needs his value up, so does Green etc.
It's obvious you can't trade for value with rubbish.
And no offense to them, they do look good and good story and all..

But geez Goodwin getting 4 minute games is frustrating...


It's early... And I trust the suns GM are doing what's best...

But it's so annoying seein fans here use "pro-tanking" when other fans want to see the younger and more exciting suns players get minutes. Why can't the ALL fans get what they want? See a competitive suns team and get to see young exciting players develop in front of their eyes?
Get over yourselves. Who made you the judge and jury of what fans should want? It's a free forum. How about just let free opinion be free?

Bravo!