Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[JMac1]

What's the expectation from Kaminsky fans?

Peak 13/7/1 type player or better?

I think that would be about right, but efficient with those numbers. 55% shooting and 40+% from the 3. Also 4 assists. He will won't be the fire of a team, but will be the oil that helps everthing else run smoothly. Boris Diaw with a three point shot.

Good value at #13. We could swing for a star at that point and pick someone else, or pick someone like Kaminsky who won't be a star but will have immediate positive impact on the team. His play could make Bledsoe a star.

So to summarize, he wouldn't be a star, but he'd make the whole team better because of what he brings to the court. That is exactly the reason I want him. A perfect role player for the position of PF/C....like Frye was, but better IMO.

I am hoping we will get our stud/star through trade, draft or development at the 1-3 and have Kaminsky and Len be complementary role players. That damn TJ Warren could be GOLD. If Bledsoe plays like 2013-14 Bled and Warren is a star in the making all we would need is a Thompson type player to complement the team.

It may not be a title team, but a good starting point to put us on a good trajectory and entice some better players to come over here.

[jcsunsfan]

Funny. I just ran the ESPN lottery machine and the Suns jumped up to the third pick, which pushed the Laker pick out of the top 5. Ha, wouldn't that be a dream?

It would pose a dilemma. if the Suns had #3 what to do? The clear #3 player is Russell. But do you really want ANOTHER pg? I think I might consider selling that pick. See what kind of established player it could net.

[Bogyo]

Not a fan. I remember something about him not declaring for last years draft becouse he didn't like the NBA or something silly like that... To me it seems he is not fully into basketball for some reason, and those guys rarely excel in the toughest league in the world.

Wouldn't be better to read exactly what he said? He said that the fan support at the college level is a blast, and he loves it. The NBA doesn't often have that type of support. Basically he said that he loves the college experience and wanted another chance at winning it all. You are jumping to conclusions. Here is the link.

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wiscons ... -wisconsin

I hope everyone else is thinking the same thing and he falls to 13.

Couldn't find the link for whatever reason, tks for clearing that up. I guess he could be an OK 5th/6th man, but I'm still not sold... Dude just rubs me the wrong way, and I've been around for 20+ yrs, for what it's worth.*


* not much

[jcsunsfan]

It may not be a title team, but a good starting point to put us on a good trajectory and entice some better players to come over here.

BTW, I love the KJ vs Hakeem dunk in your signature. Every time I see it over the years I marvel at how easily he seems to rise off the floor. It doesnt even look like he jumps, he just sort of floats upward.

[jcsunsfan]

I can see why McD traded the Laker pick. This draft is a crap shoot after the 5th pick. If Brandon Knight were in this draft, based upon his draft evaluation, he would be drafted 6th. And he has not been considered a bust pick. He basically turned a question mark into a sure thing.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/brandon-knight

[bwgood77]

Funny. I just ran the ESPN lottery machine and the Suns jumped up to the third pick, which pushed the Laker pick out of the top 5. Ha, wouldn't that be a dream?

It would pose a dilemma. if the Suns had #3 what to do? The clear #3 player is Russell. But do you really want ANOTHER pg? I think I might consider selling that pick. See what kind of established player it could net.

No, Porzingis for sure. If I thought Porzingis would be available a few spots later, I might trade down and try to pick up something else, but that's a little risky...safer to just take your guy. But McD does love guards.

Ford's mentioned a handful of GMs have Porzingis 3rd on their board behind Towns and Mudiay. I'd be happy with whoever we got, but we NEED a four and preferably a stretch 4. I think if Philly got the second pick, they would probably take Mudiay, and we could take Okafor though.

I wouldn't be upset if we took Russell (though I'm not NEARLY as high on him as many here) but it would REALLY make the Knight trade look bad, especially if the Lakers pick dropped to 6th. Russell would be the future SG and we could have had Ennis as backup AND possibly Porzingis with the Lakers pick.

[LukasBMW]

That's the thing, of all the lottery picks, half of them won't last past their rookie contracts.

Of the top choices, (Okafor, Towns) one is likely to be a bust.

I've learned you can't get too excited over the draft.

I've also learned that you need to balance talent and work ethic. You need both to be great.

[MathiasPW]

Motor seems to be a concern over several of the lottery draftees. I agree that after pick #5 it gets hard to find a good balance of motor and talent in this draft

[letsgosuns]

This is exactly why I thought the Suns were willing to give up the opportunity to land the 6th pick in the draft. They value Knight more than whoever they could have gotten with the Lakers pick if it fell to them this year. I listened to McDonough a while ago and he said he was not that excited for this year's draft. It was clear he favored last year's draft far more. It makes sense because the Suns drafted four players last year without trading one pick during the draft.

[MathiasPW]

Good thinking. I agree, or at least it lets me keep my respect for McNuggets intact

[DirtyDez]

I would've preferred keeping the pick and gone after Knight in FA. If we got outbid I wouldn't have lost any sleep tbh.

[jcsunsfan]

Funny. I just ran the ESPN lottery machine and the Suns jumped up to the third pick, which pushed the Laker pick out of the top 5. Ha, wouldn't that be a dream?

It would pose a dilemma. if the Suns had #3 what to do? The clear #3 player is Russell. But do you really want ANOTHER pg? I think I might consider selling that pick. See what kind of established player it could net.

No, Porzingis for sure. If I thought Porzingis would be available a few spots later, I might trade down and try to pick up something else, but that's a little risky...safer to just take your guy. But McD does love guards.

Ford's mentioned a handful of GMs have Porzingis 3rd on their board behind Towns and Mudiay. I'd be happy with whoever we got, but we NEED a four and preferably a stretch 4. I think if Philly got the second pick, they would probably take Mudiay, and we could take Okafor though.

I wouldn't be upset if we took Russell (though I'm not NEARLY as high on him as many here) but it would REALLY make the Knight trade look bad, especially if the Lakers pick dropped to 6th. Russell would be the future SG and we could have had Ennis as backup AND possibly Porzingis with the Lakers pick.

I watch the video of Porzingis and then Kaminsky, and Kaminsky seems more mobile/agile. I know I must be the only one that sees it that way.

[tdjm]

How's everyone feeling on Oubre? Might as well swing for the fences at pick 13, guys like Portis and Lyles are exceedingly bland prospects if we're just looking to plug the hole at PF. I'd definitely consider trying to hit a home run on him at that point, he's a project but it's not like we're competing for anything important right now.

Beyond Winslow/Russell/Towns no one else is super exciting in this draft or even worth trading up for at all. I'd definitely just pick whoever has the hugest upside and roll with it, and around our pick that's likely to be Oubre (if he doesn't get snapped up earlier, but I expect him to start creeping up mocks as the draft approaches)

[Mulhollanddrive]

It took Morris 3 years to start, and people are saying he shouldn't. He's the best 13/14th pick of the past 10 years.

Whoever we pick is unlikely to make any difference to the balance of our team for many years.

So pick who will be the best player. Championship teams gut their balance, to acquire 2-3 superstars.

Noone from our 2011 roster made it to 2015, 1 player made it from 2007 to 2011, so unless you're contending in the next couple of years, picking for need rarely turns out.

[bwgood77]

Funny. I just ran the ESPN lottery machine and the Suns jumped up to the third pick, which pushed the Laker pick out of the top 5. Ha, wouldn't that be a dream?

It would pose a dilemma. if the Suns had #3 what to do? The clear #3 player is Russell. But do you really want ANOTHER pg? I think I might consider selling that pick. See what kind of established player it could net.

No, Porzingis for sure. If I thought Porzingis would be available a few spots later, I might trade down and try to pick up something else, but that's a little risky...safer to just take your guy. But McD does love guards.

Ford's mentioned a handful of GMs have Porzingis 3rd on their board behind Towns and Mudiay. I'd be happy with whoever we got, but we NEED a four and preferably a stretch 4. I think if Philly got the second pick, they would probably take Mudiay, and we could take Okafor though.

I wouldn't be upset if we took Russell (though I'm not NEARLY as high on him as many here) but it would REALLY make the Knight trade look bad, especially if the Lakers pick dropped to 6th. Russell would be the future SG and we could have had Ennis as backup AND possibly Porzingis with the Lakers pick.

I watch the video of Porzingis and then Kaminsky, and Kaminsky seems more mobile/agile. I know I must be the only one that sees it that way.

Well, Kaminsky is definitely more ready to immediately contribute, and I haven't really watched Porzingis...I am going purely off of what I've read about what scouts have said...he seems to be one of those guys they view with very high upside.

[bwgood77]

How's everyone feeling on Oubre? Might as well swing for the fences at pick 13, guys like Portis and Lyles are exceedingly bland prospects if we're just looking to plug the hole at PF. I'd definitely consider trying to hit a home run on him at that point, he's a project but it's not like we're competing for anything important right now.

Beyond Winslow/Russell/Towns no one else is super exciting in this draft or even worth trading up for at all. I'd definitely just pick whoever has the hugest upside and roll with it, and around our pick that's likely to be Oubre (if he doesn't get snapped up earlier, but I expect him to start creeping up mocks as the draft approaches)

I don't know a ton about Oubre, but isn't he a SF? I have high hopes for Warren. I read good things about Oubre...they call him raw but perhaps with even more upside than guys like Winslow and Johnson.

[Damkac]

It took Morris 3 years to start, and people are saying he shouldn't. He's the best 13/14th pick of the past 10 years.

Whoever we pick is unlikely to make any difference to the balance of our team for many years.

So pick who will be the best player. Championship teams gut their balance, to acquire 2-3 superstars.

Noone from our 2011 roster made it to 2015, 1 player made it from 2007 to 2011, so unless you're contending in the next couple of years, picking for need rarely turns out.

If all that Suns will add will be another role players then it's depressing. This is one of a few teams that don't have anyone who can be called star. If your best player is Bledsoe then you are going nowhere
If McD don't see star potential in this draft then I don't know what else left. Praying for Cousins?

[AtheJ415]

The last two posts are spot on IMO. Plus his appears to be a mature leadership type of guy. He, Len, and Warren would be an interesting complementary triumvirate.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe with Kaminsky providing space and Warren cutting to the basket and Len spotting up 10-12 ft from the basket.

Kaminsky isn't a leader imo. He spent the entire presser after losing crying about the officials, and he wrote a 3 page blog post about how he hates anyone who is perceived as better than him, including Anthony Davis. And no I'm not joking about that last part.

Tried to find it and can't. Link?

http://moosebball.blogspot.com/2014/04/ ... ite-8.html

Quote--

"I take it personally when people are touted as better than me. I hate Anthony Davis."

Either he can't accurately write what he means or he is entirely delusional. To hate someone who is CORRECTLY perceived as better than you is just insanity imo. What he wrote implies he thinks he is actually better than Anthony Davis. Maybe he can be an irrational confidence all star, but I question the maturity of a senior who has time to sit and gather his thoughts and would still write something like that.

I think Frank is a good fit for our team, but I don't think he'll ever be better than Markieff, so I find it weird that people here think he's a starter.

[Mulhollanddrive]

My other idea would be to trade pick 13 (and junk if needed) for Vonleh.

I'd take him over the likes of Kaminsky, Turner, Looney.

[Mr-Al]

My other idea would be to trade pick 13 (and junk if needed) for Vonleh.

I'd take him over the likes of Kaminsky, Turner, Looney.

ditto

but it's going to take way more than just 13, the guy was drafted inside the Top 10

originally I wanted to trade them the Morri + future pick maybe but with the whole assault thing, I doubt anyone wants them

then I thought Bledsoe for 2015 Hornets pick and Vonleh but I doubt they would take that deal