Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Revived]

You are making huge assumptions about Bledsoe's personal life and friendships. You cannot possibly know anything about it. Its pure nonesense.

I'm making assumptions? Ok...guys like Paul Coro and John Gambo who both know 200x more than me and you have said in various articles that Bledsoe is a very quiet guy and that he doesn't exactly socialize a lot with his teammates and others and keeps to himself most of the time. So if I'm making assumptions, it's based off their word which again, is worth a whole lot more than mine or yours.

saying he is quiet isn't the same as saying he doesn't have any friends and that nobody wants to play with him.

Wtf when did I say nobody wants to play with him?

That's like nobody wants to play with Kawhi Leonard or Duncan since their quiet

[AtheJ415]

I agree with you on Booker. Bogdanovic could also provide even more depth and Size for us at the wing, next year. Our back court is really beginning to take shape.

Hopefully both Bledsoe and Knight have fine years along with Goodwin. We could then really have some great assets to make a trade for the franchise player we have been after forever.

Go Suns

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I know that you have not joined the Bledsoe fan club, there are not a lot of members. I am not convinced on Bledsoe either but neither am I convinced that Knight is going to be all that good as well. I think they both have a lot to prove. Quite frankly, at first glance, Booker looks better than ANYONE else on our roster. He just seems to be in the right place and never stands around and pouts. I just love his overall persona. I hope it is not a mirage. He is the whole package IMO.

I'm sorry, but I have to nominate this for the hot take of the century. Booker looks like the best player on our roster due to the NBA Summer League, where Marcus Banks and Jerryd Bayless are the GOATs?!

Bledsoe right now versus Booker right now would be an absolute slaughter. Bledsoe would absolutely obliterate him. Same with Knight. They'd both regularly drop 30+ against summer league players, easily.

[saintEscaton]

I firmly believe this is a make or brake year for Bledsoe. If he stubbles out of the gate, I think he will be traded by the all-star break. If he can't prove he can be the lead PG he is going to be gone. He has to bring it every night, not just 1 out of every 10 games.

I know that you have not joined the Bledsoe fan club, there are not a lot of members. I am not convinced on Bledsoe either but neither am I convinced that Knight is going to be all that good as well. I think they both have a lot to prove. Quite frankly, at first glance, Booker looks better than ANYONE else on our roster. He just seems to be in the right place and never stands around and pouts. I just love his overall persona. I hope it is not a mirage. He is the whole package IMO.

I'm sorry, but I have to nominate this for the hot take of the century. Booker looks like the best player on our roster due to the NBA Summer League, where Marcus Banks and Jerryd Bayless are the GOATs?!

Bledsoe right now versus Booker right now would be an absolute slaughter. Bledsoe would absolutely obliterate him. Same with Knight. They'd both regularly drop 30+ against summer league players, easily.

This Spurs vs Suns Victory in Vegas finals matchup is basically our playoffs before the regular season even begins. This is as exciting as its gunna get

[aIvin adams]

They have us ranked 22nd. Meanwhile the Hornets are 7th and Raptors 8th so go figure that one out.

Did Elhassan do it this year too? Anyways who is our best U25 player? Its probably BKnight who is already seasoned. We shouldn't be in the top 10 for sure since we don't even have a surefire proven core of younins but I think 22nd might be a little too low. (Jazz probably have the most formidable assembly of young talent at premium positions that are hard to come by. Bucks have the trio Parker, Greak Freek and Middleton, TWolves have two possible franchise players along with Dieng and Lavine. Other than the Nuggets we aren't miles ahead of any other Western team) We are basically the Raptors of the West if you thinka bout it. Lowry is the less athletic/playmaking version of Bled, DeRozan is a explosive but flawed scorer with a chucking habit, Carroll is an upgraded version of PJ(but who knows how he will do outside of Budenholzer's system he was assisted on 80%+ of his field goals last season) and they have poor frontcourt depth. They bottomed in a weak '11 draft just like we did in '13 and came out with a Euro center like Len in Valanciunas who is a surer thing without the injury history but probably has a more limited upside. Only difference is in the east a squad like that is guaranteed a playoff birth with a decent seeding and has a chance to make it out of the first round.

It didn't break down the Suns at all.

THE BOTTOM TEN

21. Atlanta Hawks (Projected three-year WARP: 33.0); 22. Phoenix Suns (26.3); 23. Denver Nuggets (22.1); 24. New York Knicks (22.0); 25. Brooklyn Nets (18.0); 26. Golden State Warriors (11.9); 27. Dallas Mavericks (7.3); 28. Miami Heat (6.6); 29. Memphis Grizzlies (6.2); 30. Los Angeles Clippers (0.2).

The teams that stand out are the ones who aren't competing for championships and, thus, shouldn't be in this group. That includes Denver, New York and Brooklyn. The Nuggets and Knicks have plenty of reason to hope that Emmanuel Mudiay and Kristaps Porzingis, respectively, will outstrip their projections. The Nets' picture is truly dreary though. Their highest-ranked forecasts are for Thomas Robinson and Chris McCullough, and it's debatable that the latter should have even been included given his knee injury and probable unavailability.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13284788/nba-ranking-young-cores-nba

so suns have one of the worst under-25 collections of talent... but it's OK bc they are competing for championships.

[SunsFanSSOL]

That did that list based on statistic formulas. Of course we're going to look bad when everyone under 23 on the team besides Len (who has posted mediocre stats) and Knight, play like 10 MPG. I'm sure statisticians are drooling over Archie's and TJ's 6 PPG (15.5 and 14.4 per 36).

[lilfishi22]

I'm making assumptions? Ok...guys like Paul Coro and John Gambo who both know 200x more than me and you have said in various articles that Bledsoe is a very quiet guy and that he doesn't exactly socialize a lot with his teammates and others and keeps to himself most of the time. So if I'm making assumptions, it's based off their word which again, is worth a whole lot more than mine or yours.

saying he is quiet isn't the same as saying he doesn't have any friends and that nobody wants to play with him.

Wtf when did I say nobody wants to play with him?

That's like nobody wants to play with Kawhi Leonard or Duncan since their quiet

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

I was going to say something last night but thought I'd let you run with it and see if you actually had a point to make. But not being vocal doesn't mean guys don't want to play with you. Players want to play with TALENT first and foremost and if that talent is also vocal, then it's a bonus. When's the last time you see players join a team because there's a loud funny guy on the roster?

[AtheJ415]

saying he is quiet isn't the same as saying he doesn't have any friends and that nobody wants to play with him.

Wtf when did I say nobody wants to play with him?

That's like nobody wants to play with Kawhi Leonard or Duncan since their quiet

The problem with that is Bledsoe is one the least vocal players in the NBA and you have to be somewhat social in order to want other guys to play with you. Other than his ol Kentucky buddies and LeBron (who is probably only friends with him because of Rich Paul being the mutual agent), I'm not sure Bledsoe has any other friends around the league.

I was going to say something last night but thought I'd let you run with it and see if you actually had a point to make. But not being vocal doesn't mean guys don't want to play with you. Players want to play with TALENT first and foremost and if that talent is also vocal, then it's a bonus. When's the last time you see players join a team because there's a loud funny guy on the roster?

SF88, this requires a huge amount of assumptions. A lot of people are relators, meaning they are not comfortable in large groups and in public, but are very close with a tight knit group of friends--closer than most any non-relator, and completely the opposite around those smaller groups. Who is to say Bledsoe isn't like that--much more vocal with those he's learned to trust, such as guys actually in the league, than those he has no reason to trust, such as the media and fans like you and me?

[AtheJ415]

Also, Bledsoe's already proven to be a quality starting PG in this league. People saying this is his make or break year are either oblivious to the new salary cap or think you have to be a top 10 PG to be worth his money in this league. I disagree with both.

[AtheJ415]

Next year I think all of Durant (very unlikely), Horford (if he is willing to move,we have as good a shot as anyone, but Atlanta has to be the favorite), Galinari (who knows what happens this year with him), could be difference makers for us. If not, you roll forward into the following season. The worst thing we can do is overpay for a guy not worth the money in FA.

[SunsFanSSOL]

I don't think it's been posted yet, but Knight had his press conference today and the video is on suns.com

[Sunsdeuce]

Also, Bledsoe's already proven to be a quality starting PG in this league. People saying this is his make or break year are either oblivious to the new salary cap or think you have to be a top 10 PG to be worth his money in this league. I disagree with both.

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with your assessment of "proven." Come up with as many excuses as you want but fact remains NO team even offered him a contract. I have said this many many times (as well as many others) PGs are a dime a dozen right now and only 4-5 teams don't have a "quality" PG. So if your only argument is his cap number is friendly than you don't have an argument. And it Doesn't change the fact that he isn't "proven!" He has proven he leads all PGs in turnovers.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Also, Bledsoe's already proven to be a quality starting PG in this league. People saying this is his make or break year are either oblivious to the new salary cap or think you have to be a top 10 PG to be worth his money in this league. I disagree with both.

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with your assessment of "proven." Come up with as many excuses as you want but fact remains NO team even offered him a contract.

This is why

Since the inception of restricted free agency in the NBA in 1999, teams have routinely disseminated such statements -- both to media members and rival teams -- in an attempt to convince teams to not even bother with offer sheets.

It's a tactic that has long gone unchallenged, but sources say that agents Rich Paul and Mark Termini of Klutch Sports -- sensing a climate change given the willingness and assertiveness of new union head Michele Roberts to speak up for her constituency since taking over in July 2014 -- urged the NBPA to challenge the way teams have historically dropped loud hints about their matching plans in an attempt to chill the market for restricted free agents.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3919/nba-cracking-down-on-teams-big-talk-about-restricted-free-agents

He has proven he leads all PGs in turnovers.

This is untrue. Westbrook, Wall, Carter-Williams all averaged more.

[bwgood77]

A lot of people are relators, meaning they are not comfortable in large groups and in public, but are very close with a tight knit group of friends--closer than most any non-relator, and completely the opposite around those smaller groups. Who is to say Bledsoe isn't like that--much more vocal with those he's learned to trust, such as guys actually in the league, than those he has no reason to trust, such as the media and fans like you and me?

This is my guess. He's just shy, but gets very close to those he does get to know. I bet he is very close with teammates.

[bwgood77]

Next year I think all of Durant (very unlikely), Horford (if he is willing to move,we have as good a shot as anyone, but Atlanta has to be the favorite), Galinari (who knows what happens this year with him), could be difference makers for us. If not, you roll forward into the following season. The worst thing we can do is overpay for a guy not worth the money in FA.

Well, if the cap jumps up so much that we have enough money to throw a max at Gallinari, that might be our best bet if he shows he is healthy. This is not as much based on my own personal thought, but the research done by Los Soles (and I think others contributed to this), and being able to stretch the floor, etc..

Not because it sounds like a good financial move, but in the grand scheme of things, our major players are locked in for 3-4 years, so it might be worth overpaying a guy who could make you better because it is going to be awfully tough to sign people period.

[bwgood77]

If anyone is really into fantasy or games, there is a new contest going on here....I just got an email about it and might do it..not sure yet. viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1400407#start_here

[AtheJ415]

Also, Bledsoe's already proven to be a quality starting PG in this league. People saying this is his make or break year are either oblivious to the new salary cap or think you have to be a top 10 PG to be worth his money in this league. I disagree with both.

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with your assessment of "proven." Come up with as many excuses as you want but fact remains NO team even offered him a contract. I have said this many many times (as well as many others) PGs are a dime a dozen right now and only 4-5 teams don't have a "quality" PG. So if your only argument is his cap number is friendly than you don't have an argument. And it Doesn't change the fact that he isn't "proven!" He has proven he leads all PGs in turnovers.

If you honestly believe every team in the NBA didn't think he was worth a contract then you need professional help. There's plenty of reasons a contract wasn't offered--namely that the Suns had infinite cap space and no reason not to re-sign him. My only argument is he is a productive, damn good 2 way player who puts up plenty of stats that help us win, and there are only a couple PGs better than him who are as young at that level of production. That's the only argument I need, and it absolutely obliterates your argument, which is based on contract offers in a closed system in which a team retains all rights to the player and in which everyone knows the team holding his rights will match. The only reason he isn't "proven" is because you have a personal issue against him, and that's obvious from reading your "arguments". That's your right to have a wrong opinion, but don't try to act as if it's rational.

You sound like Dave Stewart, who believes draft picks' value is equal to their signing bonus.

It's fine to believe Bledsoe isn't a star or won't be one going forward. But to claim he's not a quality starter is to ignore his entire history as a starter. It's one of the craziest things I've ever read on real GM, and that's saying something.

[JTrain]

Just glad to see the Suns getting so much national ad exposure for once. KD here we come!

[saintEscaton]

Just glad to see the Suns getting so much national ad exposure for once. KD here we come!

Suns medical staff actually rehabilitated Jabari back to health in exchange for enacting a promise that he would sign in Phoenix once he becomes an FA. Shameless plug I know

[NTB]

I don't think it's been posted yet, but Knight had his press conference today and the video is on suns.com

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXnZTah21zY[/youtube]

[bwgood77]

I don't think it's been posted yet, but Knight had his press conference today and the video is on suns.com

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXnZTah21zY[/youtube]

I don't know how anyone could watch that and not have some optimism. That was awesome. I wasn't expecting to pay much attention while running it because it might be boring, but I was locked in for that entire interview.