Draft Discussion Part 3

[Fo-Real]

He is not better than Len. And he's 7 year's older and makes a ton. If we take on his deal to move up two spots that would be insane. He's worse offensively, or close to the same, and far worse defensively.

Their comparisons this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/ZOHWV

If anyone doesn't want to pay Len $12 million or whatever, I can't imagine why they would want to pay and even worse player who is 7 years older $16 million a year for 3 years.

If Len only gets 12 mil a year, that would be shocking and buck the current trend to overpay EVERYBODY!

I don't think he will even get that much actually, unless someone like Brooklyn really plans on moving Lopez and won't mind drastically overpaying for him.

Someone always overpays. If you think he gets 12, what do you think Williams gets?

[bwgood77]

No real talk on the Lakers board about them being worried about passing on Ball. There are 1 or 2 worried Boston will take Ball. Sounds like his workout there went well.

One poster did mention Fox though.

So we're working out De'Aaron Fox next week. Do we really need a PG who can't shoot 3's and gets low assists? Those kind of stats remind me of Derrick Rose. Yuck.

Someone also speculated that they thought the Kings trading 5 and 10 to get Fox would be a smokescreen to actually jump up to nab Jackson.

All speculation but it's just crazy how a couple of team forums thoughts on what might happen are so different.

[bwgood77]

If Len only gets 12 mil a year, that would be shocking and buck the current trend to overpay EVERYBODY!

I don't think he will even get that much actually, unless someone like Brooklyn really plans on moving Lopez and won't mind drastically overpaying for him.

Someone always overpays. If you think he gets 12, what do you think Williams gets?

I don't even know if he gets 12 or not. I've seen Williams ranked higher. I think teams will be wary about the contracts, particularly centers, for a few reasons:

The cap was expected to be a lot higher than it ended up being.

Centers are becoming of less importance in today's NBA.

There are a bunch of FA centers.

People realized others overpaid people last year and won't want to do the same.

Even Noel, who is ranked as the #1 FA center, wasn't viewed as valuable enough in trade to fetch more than 2 seconds. That's a guy that I think will get paid a lot. Not sure about who else.

I've seen Monroe ranked 2nd, with like Williams 7th and Len 8th or 9th among FA centers.

I'm not sure how many teams need centers. Seems like several teams have a few of them and could get rid of one.

[JMac1]

I really dont want to touch Ball. He has a great open court game but his PnR game isnt there and he really has no post up or midrange game. To top this off he has the uglylest shot that I have ever seen. Now to get Josh Jackson I could see moving up. Jackson is my #2 overall by a good margin.

By a good margin? You must be ignoring his lack of shooting.

[JMac1]

Just saw the Monk interview at our facility.
Dear god, this young guy oozes confidence.
I still think he has 'too much' of JR Smith, but if he keeps hitting those impossible shots in the NBA, look out.

Probably the #3 pick for Philly, almost a no brainer for me atm

JR Smith is way more hood than Monk and he has brain damage....that matters.

[JMac1]

It's funny....a lot of people here say when you draft top 3 you always draft talent. They also say Jackson is the number 2 best player in the draft and possibly no. 1. Then they speak on all the reasons Monk shouldn't be drafted by us at 4, stating that he is probably 8-10 BPA, yet they say Philly picking him at 3 is a no brainer......wtf kinda sense does that make?

[thamadkant]

i'm calling it now... Fox drops out of top 7... Even top 10.

There's a good chance Smith will get drafted ahead of Fox. Kings definitely in talks with 76ers IMO to get that 3rd pick to get Jackson... They even talking to Lakers IMO to get Ball.

Suns need to man up... The moment they draft another guard Bledsoe's value drops some more.
Convince Kings to trade pick 10 for Bledsoe.

[Qwigglez]

It's funny....a lot of people here say when you draft top 3 you always draft talent. They also say Jackson is the number 2 best player in the draft and possibly no. 1. Then they speak on all the reasons Monk shouldn't be drafted by us at 4, stating that he is probably 8-10 BPA, yet they say Philly picking him at 3 is a no brainer......wtf kinda sense does that make?

Eh, I think Monk at 5 is BPA. Philly taking him at 3 would mean they couldn't make the deal work with the Kings to move down from 3 to 5 (and pick up extra assets).

My top 5 in terms of talent-
Fultz
Tatum
Jackson
Ball
Monk

Smith
Isaac
Fox

[Kerrsed]

It's funny....a lot of people here say when you draft top 3 you always draft talent. They also say Jackson is the number 2 best player in the draft and possibly no. 1. Then they speak on all the reasons Monk shouldn't be drafted by us at 4, stating that he is probably 8-10 BPA, yet they say Philly picking him at 3 is a no brainer......wtf kinda sense does that make?

It's because Philly hasn't always done the smart or right thing. I mean they draft MCW and trade Holiday for Noel, of course he sits out the season, so then they draft Embiid. They now have 2 highly drafted C's who have to split minutes. Of course Embiid ends up sitting out to recover from surgery, so Noel starts to establish himself. Next draft they take yet another PF/C in Okafor. Now they have 3 high drafted prospects all fighting for the same minutes, creating a major logjam and lowering their trade value. On top of that they start playing them out of position, making their stats crumble so soon no one is interested in trading a lotto pick for either Noel or Okafor.

Simmons is supposed to be a guaranteed all-star type of player. So do you draft another SF that will get little to no playing time and crush his trade value, or do you finally put an end to this 10 year process and draft the type of player that your team needs and has been lacking. Supposedly Monk is the exact type of player that they have been searching for when they traded for Stauskus.

Teams don't always go BPA. Sometimes they grab the player that fits what their team need is and hope that him in their system makes him that all-star that others thought that the BPA would be.

But, I for one think Philly does the Sactown trade.

[Waylay13]

I really dont want to touch Ball. He has a great open court game but his PnR game isnt there and he really has no post up or midrange game. To top this off he has the uglylest shot that I have ever seen. Now to get Josh Jackson I could see moving up. Jackson is my #2 overall by a good margin.

By a good margin? You must be ignoring his lack of shooting.[/quote

When talking about Josh Jackson there are two things that I think a lot of people are ignoring. They show up in his scouting reports as "He never takes a play off" and he is super competitive (he maybe the most competitive person in this draft). When you look at what they mean as a player it means that he is a hard working and that he wants to get better. I know Jackson isnt perfect but if he is willing to work and wants to get better he will get better as a pro.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Be interesting to know how Monk fared in ball handling drills.

[JMac1]

i'm calling it now... Fox drops out of top 7... Even top 10.

There's a good chance Smith will get drafted ahead of Fox. Kings definitely in talks with 76ers IMO to get that 3rd pick to get Jackson... They even talking to Lakers IMO to get Ball.

Suns need to man up... The moment they draft another guard Bledsoe's value drops some more.
Convince Kings to trade pick 10 for Bledsoe.

Smith is my sleeper

[JMac1]

It's funny....a lot of people here say when you draft top 3 you always draft talent. They also say Jackson is the number 2 best player in the draft and possibly no. 1. Then they speak on all the reasons Monk shouldn't be drafted by us at 4, stating that he is probably 8-10 BPA, yet they say Philly picking him at 3 is a no brainer......wtf kinda sense does that make?

It's because Philly hasn't always done the smart or right thing. I mean they draft MCW and trade Holiday for Noel, of course he sits out the season, so then they draft Embiid. They now have 2 highly drafted C's who have to split minutes. Of course Embiid ends up sitting out to recover from surgery, so Noel starts to establish himself. Next draft they take yet another PF/C in Okafor. Now they have 3 high drafted prospects all fighting for the same minutes, creating a major logjam and lowering their trade value. On top of that they start playing them out of position, making their stats crumble so soon no one is interested in trading a lotto pick for either Noel or Okafor.

Simmons is supposed to be a guaranteed all-star type of player. So do you draft another SF that will get little to no playing time and crush his trade value, or do you finally put an end to this 10 year process and draft the type of player that your team needs and has been lacking. Supposedly Monk is the exact type of player that they have been searching for when they traded for Stauskus.

Teams don't always go BPA. Sometimes they grab the player that fits what their team need is and hope that him in their system makes him that all-star that others thought that the BPA would be.

But, I for one think Philly does the Sactown trade.

So you are saying Philly drafting Monk is No-Brains not no brainer..... that makes sense

[Blackification]

I like how the first two prospects we get to camp are two kentucky guards.. cmon man

[carey]

I like how the first two prospects we get to camp are two kentucky guards.. cmon man

Wah wah.

[Frank Lee]

Smith is my sleeper

Who's your big sleeper at #32 ? 50 whatever ?


I'll take Peter Jok with the last one. He was working out in Phnx of all places. I dont know at 32 .... but the late picks are where McD needs to find some pink hearts, yellow moons, and green clovers.

PS... just read up more on Jok...eeeeh may be not so much. Sure has a good highlight film though

[DRK]

How ironic itll be if Bender and Chriss, who we drafted to play at the 4, never play the 4 because we draft Isaac.

A lineup of Chriss, Bender, Isaac, Booker and Bledsoe has so much length that if they were all to join arms and link up around the 3 point line with their arms wide, they would probably span the whole way around the arc


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[mikefly3113]

I can see the appeal of Monk but just don't think he fits. The guy is a tremendous scorer and shooter, nobody is doubting that I just don't think he is a good backcourt pairing with Booker. Also I'd be shocked if Philly passes on him. I think Bryan is gonna try and build a competitive roster and he's ideal with a point forward like Simmons going forward.

A lot of people are saying he isn't BPA at 4 let alone 3, but you say Philly would be crazy to pass on him!?!

No, If Jackson is BPA like most here believe, then Philly will take him and go from there.

Our choice is Tatum Monk or Issac. After watching tonight's game, I think we are leaning Monk.

He is the only person who would have made a difference in tonight's game.

Saying defense and the NBA in the same sentence is laughable.

Ok couple of things, never mentioned Monk's defense and I also never said I think hes the bpa. All I was saying is Philly has taken the bpa for the past 5 drafts and sooner or later you have to start building a team and that means drafting based on team needs. And even though its rare for teams to use a top 5 pick on fit over bpa I wouldn't be surprised if Philly did in this draft.

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