Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

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[Kerrsed]

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In the Rubio thread on the Trade Board, Shrink nailed exactly why i think a Rubio/Pick for Bledsoe swap would be perfect for us:

The best fit for Rubio would be a team that needs defense, veteran leadership, and wants to feed players and/or help young players develop with easier shots. He helps you most with the ball in his hands, so he shouldn't go to a team where someone else runs the offense. He is not a three point shooter, or a guy that runs the high screen pick and roll, that many teams with differently skilled PG's like to run. However, he has shown for years that he makes the other four players on the floor with him so much better, that he is a net positive offensively, regardless of his own scoring.

And Bledsoe would still provide the defense that Thibs wants (albeit a lesser one than what Rubio provides), but more importantly the shooting that they are after.

They might want Bledsoe but he does play a little too much iso so he might take the ball out of Wiggins/Towns/Butler's hands more. Butler is a high usage guy.

As far as Rubio in Phx, I like the idea of him getting our players involved and his D, but with Jackson or Warren on the floor, along with Rubio, our 3 pt shooting would really suffer and we wouldn't be able to stretch the floor. Chriss and Bender theoretically hopefully can become good 3 pt shooters but they haven't yet.

Our 3 point shooting would suffer at 1 position (PG), but he would be getting the rest of the Guys better cleaner more open shots, so wouldnt that increase the 3 point shooting of the rest of them? I mean as it is right now, Bledsoe was shooting 33% from 3 last season and was only averaging around 1.6 3's a game.

[AtheJ415]

Again with Rubio? Really? When will people realize he is not the answer. He has not won in MN, and despite having a bunch of young talent they don't want to keep him and have been shopping him for years. His lack of shooting kills him and his team, and getting our guys used to playing with someone like him is arguably counterproductive to their long-term growth. If you want a pass first PG just trade Bledsoe and start Ulis.

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[bigfoot]

The reason why I don't like Rubio is we really need the ball to be in Booker's hand most of the time. We need a Derrick Fisher or BJ Armstrong type of PG. Somebody who can play defense and hit the three ball plus be the secondary facilitator and ball handler. If Jackson is as good a passer as he seems to be having a pure passing PG like Rubio is not really what we need. Defense, three point point shooting and then ball handling/passing.

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In the Rubio thread on the Trade Board, Shrink nailed exactly why i think a Rubio/Pick for Bledsoe swap would be perfect for us:



And Bledsoe would still provide the defense that Thibs wants (albeit a lesser one than what Rubio provides), but more importantly the shooting that they are after.

They might want Bledsoe but he does play a little too much iso so he might take the ball out of Wiggins/Towns/Butler's hands more. Butler is a high usage guy.

As far as Rubio in Phx, I like the idea of him getting our players involved and his D, but with Jackson or Warren on the floor, along with Rubio, our 3 pt shooting would really suffer and we wouldn't be able to stretch the floor. Chriss and Bender theoretically hopefully can become good 3 pt shooters but they haven't yet.

Our 3 point shooting would suffer at 1 position (PG), but he would be getting the rest of the Guys better cleaner more open shots, so wouldnt that increase the 3 point shooting of the rest of them? I mean as it is right now, Bledsoe was shooting 33% from 3 last season and was only averaging around 1.6 3's a game.

You realize that by not being able to shoot players can play off of him and hedge towards others while also clogging driving lanes right?

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[bwgood77]

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In the Rubio thread on the Trade Board, Shrink nailed exactly why i think a Rubio/Pick for Bledsoe swap would be perfect for us:



And Bledsoe would still provide the defense that Thibs wants (albeit a lesser one than what Rubio provides), but more importantly the shooting that they are after.

They might want Bledsoe but he does play a little too much iso so he might take the ball out of Wiggins/Towns/Butler's hands more. Butler is a high usage guy.

As far as Rubio in Phx, I like the idea of him getting our players involved and his D, but with Jackson or Warren on the floor, along with Rubio, our 3 pt shooting would really suffer and we wouldn't be able to stretch the floor. Chriss and Bender theoretically hopefully can become good 3 pt shooters but they haven't yet.

Our 3 point shooting would suffer at 1 position (PG), but he would be getting the rest of the Guys better cleaner more open shots, so wouldnt that increase the 3 point shooting of the rest of them? I mean as it is right now, Bledsoe was shooting 33% from 3 last season and was only averaging around 1.6 3's a game.

I thought you just said he'd be the shooter they are looking for?

I'd probably prefer Rubio to get others involved more, but I don't know if he's that trade able and wouldn't want to keep him long term. So looking at it that way, we should be able to get a better asset for Bledsoe. We have to wait and see which teams have holes after free agency. If Lowry or Holiday or Teague leave, they may want Bledsoe. It might make sense for the Pelicans to go after him as it may help ensure Boogie stays.

[Kerrsed]

Again with Rubio? Really? When will people realize he is not the answer. He has not won in MN, and despite having a bunch of young talent they don't want to keep him and have been shopping him for years. His lack of shooting kills him and his team, and getting our guys used to playing with someone like him is arguably counterproductive to their long-term growth. If you want a pass first PG just trade Bledsoe and start Ulis.

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There is a major difference between "wanting a pass first PG" and just starting Ulis and going after one of the leagues best playmakers and top defenders at the PG position. Major difference.

[NTB]

The reason why I don't like Rubio is we really need the ball to be in Booker's hand most of the time. We need a Derrick Fisher or BJ Armstrong type of PG. Somebody who can play defense and hit the three ball plus be the secondary facilitator and ball handler. If Jackson is as good a passer as he seems to be having a pure passing PG like Rubio is not really what we need. Defense, three point point shooting and then ball handling/passing.

You described Beverley there and I agree. Houston wants to trade him I think and we should try to bring him.

[Kerrsed]

I thought you just said he'd be the shooter they are looking for?

I'd probably prefer Rubio to get others involved more, but I don't know if he's that trade able and wouldn't want to keep him long term. So looking at it that way, we should be able to get a better asset for Bledsoe. We have to wait and see which teams have holes after free agency. If Lowry or Holiday or Teague leave, they may want Bledsoe. It might make sense for the Pelicans to go after him as it may help ensure Boogie stays.

I did. Bledsoe is still a much better shooter than Rubio. Bledsoe is Combo guard-ish, which is what they are reportedly looking for.

Also, the Pelicans would be wise to go after Bledsoe, but they really dont have many assets worth considering. What players would you take from them?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I've always been a little torn on Rubio. Love his d and passing but you really need shooters around him.

I guess if they have predetermined they wont extend Bledsoe and Rubio and a 1st rounder is on the table then sure I'd be down with that.

If they were set on trading bledsoe id rather they use him to upgtade at center or get a package of picks thwn simply sign a new point guard like George hill or teague if you could get a reasonable deal done. Or hell just roll ulis and knight for a year.

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[bwgood77]

The reason why I don't like Rubio is we really need the ball to be in Booker's hand most of the time. We need a Derrick Fisher or BJ Armstrong type of PG. Somebody who can play defense and hit the three ball plus be the secondary facilitator and ball handler. If Jackson is as good a passer as he seems to be having a pure passing PG like Rubio is not really what we need. Defense, three point point shooting and then ball handling/passing.

Well with Rubio what you get is a guy that doesn't dominate the ball. He moves it and gets it to the right guy at the right time. His usage was only 17% compared to Bledsoe's 28%.

You don't really want the ball in Booker's hands too much more as a primary ball handler because we need to get other guys involved. And while at times he showed he is a capable passer, he still averaged 3.1 turnovers per game compared to 3.4 assists. You try to play like Kobe or Melo in this day and age it doesn't work with all the great ball movement and open looks teams like the Warriors, Spurs and Rockets get....and Clips when they are healthy.

[bwgood77]

I've always been a little torn on Rubio. Love his d and passing but you really need shooters around him.

I guess if they have predetermined they wont extend Bledsoe and Rubio and a 1st rounder is on the table then sure I'd be down with that.

If they were set on trading bledsoe id rather they use him to upgtade at center or get a package of picks thwn simply sign a new point guard like George hill or teague if you could get a reasonable deal done. Or hell just roll ulis and knight for a year.

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George Hill might be the perfect type of vet PG to go after but I think he wants to stay in Utah, but that does depend on Hayward. I saw some speculation as to what type of contract he would command though and it was much higher than I anticipated.

[bwgood77]

I thought you just said he'd be the shooter they are looking for?

I'd probably prefer Rubio to get others involved more, but I don't know if he's that trade able and wouldn't want to keep him long term. So looking at it that way, we should be able to get a better asset for Bledsoe. We have to wait and see which teams have holes after free agency. If Lowry or Holiday or Teague leave, they may want Bledsoe. It might make sense for the Pelicans to go after him as it may help ensure Boogie stays.

I did. Bledsoe is still a much better shooter than Rubio. Bledsoe is Combo guard-ish, which is what they are reportedly looking for.

Also, the Pelicans would be wise to go after Bledsoe, but they really dont have many assets worth considering. What players would you take from them?

Yeah, I don't know. Probably just try to get picks. I imagine they keep Holiday anyway.

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[JJ13]

Not sure why Lebron not committing would kill the trade.

I still like Kyrie a lot as PG of the future, but glad we didn't give up Bled and 4th. Would like to see something like Bled, Tyson or Knight, Warren for Kyrie.

[bwgood77]

Not sure why Lebron not committing would kill the trade.

I still like Kyrie a lot as PG of the future, but glad we didn't give up Bled and 4th. Would like to see something like Bled, Tyson or Knight, Warren for Kyrie.

Well the whole reason they wanted to do it was to get George for the 4th. And if LeBron wouldn't stay past next season it would be dumb to give up Kyrie who would be their best player post LeBron. Makes perfect sense.

And your deal doesn't come close to netting a player like Kyrie.

[JMac1]

No Rubio, no Kyrie. Do not fit! Bledsoe and Ulis are not the PG we need; that player is coming at another date. For now, just don't (Please Use More Appropriate Word) the growth of Booker, JJ, Chriss, and Bender. I like the idea of Chris being our center too.

Booker: option 1
JJ: Swiss Army option 2 with shot.
Chriss: PnR Option 3
Bender: 3D play-maker
PG: ?