Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

AtheJ415 · Post #561 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:32 pm

Golanator wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
Golanator wrote:
Well good luck getting anyone better than those guys to come to Phoenix

Then you pass. Spending to spend money is how you become the Lakers, having to trade 2nd overall picks to get out of horrendous contracts, or the Knicks dealing with no salary cap space despite their star coming up for FA and wanting wins in the next 2 years.

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You're comparing a nobody like Mozgov to guys who, with the exception of Rubio, are borderline all stars.

Deng was a borderline all star and isn't even movable. So was demarre carroll. Maxing out anybody who is not likely to be a top 30 player for the duration of his contract is stupid. For a team like ours, you would need a.maxable guy for like 6 years bc you would need.to keep him when our youngsters hit their primes and are no longer on rookie deals for cap reasons.

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Post #562 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:37 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Then why not beat that trade now? Faith in Mudiay? It is not like Denver was incapable of beating that Bucks offer rather easily.

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We probably didn't want long term money back. I don't think Juancho or Murray were ever going to be on the table.

If Juancho isn't on the table then the lottery pick likely wasn't. He isn't that valuable.

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He's pretty valuable. There are not a lot of rookie PFs who come into the league shooting over 40% from 3.

SideSwipe · Post #563 » by **SideSwipe** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:09 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:We signed Thomas in Free Agency which suggests the pool of players will be stronger in 6 months than it was this week.

SideSwipe wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Granted he wasnt an all-star for US, but we did trade for IT just as his rookie contract was expiring and Sac didnt want him anymore.

Actually no, IT was an FA signing.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/7/11/5892095/phoenix-suns-sign-isaiah-thomas-to-four-year-27-mil-offer-sheet

EDIT: Did you mean Knight?

No, i meant IT. It was a Sign-and-trade (As pointed out in the link you posted).

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the deal includes Phoenix sending Alex Oriakhi and a $7 million trade exception to Sacramento to ensure he is not matched by the Kings.

So pretty much he was coming off his Rookie contract and the Kings didn't want him and were looking to trade him most of the season, and we slid in there for the S&T.

Hmmm...Good point, but S&T in name only. That was a TPE Trade. Not on his rookie contract at all. Super minor detail, but Thomas came here because he wanted to, not because Sacto wanted to get rid of him (not that they didn't want to, just couldn't figure out a trade during the season)

NTB · Post #564 » by **NTB** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:37 pm

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Frank Lee · Post #565 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:54 pm

Buy out or trade Monroe?

McDuh kicks the talent can down the street once again. Monroe is a talented scorer, a good rebounder, and perhaps the best PF we’ve had on this roster since..... Stat? Banking on Chris and Bender will cost McD his job

Years90Suns · Post #566 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:58 pm

I need to get something positive and with an indication we have a direction to rebuild.
We have some assets (Booker, Bender, Chriss, Len, Warren, JJ) and a few young good players (Ulys, James, Williams) that could be the bench addition in a winning team. Also we have Chandler and Dudley.
I believe we are not that far away from being a contender, but we need to do less trades and let the thing cook.

This roster clearly needs a PG with physical abilities and some player in any position with the money Monroe and/or Knight could leave here by the end of their contracts. That is it.

If we are goint to trade Monroe again for picks or for Okafor, who is a non-defensive factor (one more) instead of playing Chandler and Len for 48 minutes, we will be the last team in points allowed and we will not be good enough to make up for those points.

Years90Suns · Post #567 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:01 pm

NTB wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:Monroe is not a defensive presence. That is crystal clear. But he has a nice shot from midrange, can pass and can put the ball on the floor and post his opponent. He is not a rebounder, although he can boxout his man or any other man. The problem with him is that his physical conditions do not allow him to jump much.

I see a problem with Monroe here. We have 2 centers and 2 power forwards. Chriss is dedicating poorly to his supposed to be job, so may be Monroe can take his minutes, which can do the team and Chriss a favour, as he needs to wake up urgently.

I do not share the critics on Len and Chandler. Len played really well in San Antonio. Even for this team he is playing nicely. What I mean with that is that it is difficult to offer something when a team is so perimeter oriented. Dude does not get many touches. But he was great against SAS and has held his own for most minutes this season.On the other hand, Chandler's task is unpayable. He is holding the middle, getting rebounds, fighting every ball and getting his buckets and rebounds. He even can run the court at 33. I cannot see a problem with him. Attitude is off the charts with him.

The problems here are two: our defense allows 117 ppg, which is second to last (does not matter much at that point) and our offense depends a lot on the inspiration we have when shooting. We do not really have a plan and we go down a lot when we cannot run.

Chandler is a huge problem defensively and Monroe is a better defender than Chandler believe it or not. Also, Monroe is a good rebounder. I think our offense will look much better with Monroe in the paint.

I do not see it as you do, but I would love to be wrong.
However, Monroe is a good player that can play two positions. I think we should give hime some playing time at C with Chriss or Bender, then at PF with Len at C and see how the teams looks. Even we can erase Chriss's minutes to see whether that has any kind of effect on his effort level, which I doubt.

I would like to say that I do not see th point in buying out Monroe just to save some money and get back to mediocrity. Unless everything here is based on economical decissions, which could perfectly be.

NTB · Post #568 » by **NTB** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:06 pm

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Post #569 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:09 pm

Years90Suns wrote:
NTB wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:Monroe is not a defensive presence. That is crystal clear. But he has a nice shot from midrange, can pass and can put the ball on the floor and post his opponent. He is not a rebounder, although he can boxout his man or any other man. The problem with him is that his physical conditions do not allow him to jump much.

I see a problem with Monroe here. We have 2 centers and 2 power forwards. Chriss is dedicating poorly to his supposed to be job, so may be Monroe can take his minutes, which can do the team and Chriss a favour, as he needs to wake up urgently.

I do not share the critics on Len and Chandler. Len played really well in San Antonio. Even for this team he is playing nicely. What I mean with that is that it is difficult to offer something when a team is so perimeter oriented. Dude does not get many touches. But he was great against SAS and has held his own for most minutes this season.On the other hand, Chandler's task is unpayable. He is holding the middle, getting rebounds, fighting every ball and getting his buckets and rebounds. He even can run the court at 33. I cannot see a problem with him. Attitude is off the charts with him.

The problems here are two: our defense allows 117 ppg, which is second to last (does not matter much at that point) and our offense depends a lot on the inspiration we have when shooting. We do not really have a plan and we go down a lot when we cannot run.

Chandler is a huge problem defensively and Monroe is a better defender than Chandler believe it or not. Also, Monroe is a good rebounder. I think our offense will look much better with Monroe in the paint.

I do not see it as you do, but I would love to be wrong.
However, Monroe is a good player that can play two positions. I think we should give hime some playing time at C with Chriss or Bender, then at PF with Len at C and see how the teams looks. Even we can erase Chriss's minutes to see whether that has any kind of effect on his effort level, which I doubt.

I would like to say that I do not see th point in buying out Monroe just to save some money and get back to mediocrity. Unless everything here is based on economical decissions, which could perfectly be.

Part of the reason is how many roster spots we have. I guess we already sent DJJ to the G league...I don't know if that means he no longer takes a roster spot but it seems like he should if he is under contract.

If DJJ is still taking a roster spot we have too many players once Mike James is converted into a regular contract if that is still the plan so someone has to be waived, traded with no player coming back (or a two for one trade), bought out, etc. If we are not planning on keeping Monroe and he is not planning on signing with us, then it really makes no sense to cut someone else to keep him. I guess we could cut DJJ or something but I'm not sure it makes sense to do so for a guy that won't stay.

NTB · Post #570 » by **NTB** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:11 pm

The problem is the pick won't be in 11-16 range this year...

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kennydorglas · Post #572 » by **kennydorglas** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:12 pm

Monroe has 4 straight years being a positive On/Off per 100.
It's amazing that he has such a bad rep lol

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bwoolf2 · Post #574 » by **bwoolf2** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:21 pm

I would immediately move Chandler and include a future pick to do so. Start Len with Monroe coming off the bench with the 2nd unit, maybe it would wake Ulis up and he could find that Big Sauce magic with Monroe because he has been a dumpster fire without him in the lineup.