The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[BobbieL]

I would rather move Green for a 2nd round pick before I consider stretching Beal

Lakers just sign Jaxson Hayes - so they don't seem like a fit for Richards

Now, I wouldn't sell low on Green . I just hope Ishbia/Gregory have a plan with them being under the aprons as it seems Beal is going to be stretched

Just hope there is a good trade in the works if they under the apron. That has to be the move and not just signing "Malcolm Brogdons" of the world

This is why I'm kinda not on board with the Williams trade now. Maybe it doesn't make a difference in the end but I'd rather have those 4 SRPs or that 2029 FRP available to be used in a potential Beal dump than not have. And I know people are very against using assets to dump Beal and I am too but I'm far more open to doing that than stretching Beal.

Like I look at the Bucks as setting the record breaking stretch provision precedent. The Myles Turner signing for the Bucks was a good thing and I think the value is a completely fine (around $25m per) but when you consider what the Bucks had to do to make it possible, that $25m per is really $25m plus $22.5m in Dame's dead salary. Turner's contract is is really $47.5m, $48.36m, $49.38m and $51.1m. There's a damn good chance that dead salary will outlast the Buck's career of Portis, Giannis, Kuz and Turner.

Exactly right about the valuation of the player. But for the Bucks - they have Giannis and have a chance. The Suns are a 30 win team - hey even 36 win team. There isn't a player they can use the MLE that will get them where they will beat OKC, Houston or Denver in the playoffs

Ishbia overplayed his hand with Richards I do believe. How do you not have a 100% signed sealed and delivered trade if you pick up that option. Like "the suns picked up the option and have traded him too.."

Williams is a nice player - but if the choice is getting under the apron with that $22m of cap space plus a bunch of second round picks or getting Williams - no brainer

[Butter]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

[starbosa10]

Stretching and waiving beal is suicide.

[RaisingArizona]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

Yeah wish we could

[starbosa10]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

Would have to add Robert Williams in i think to make the money work but im sure we would.

Saves 8.4m for the Suns

[Butter]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

Would have to add Robert Williams in i think to make the money work but im sure we would.

Saves 8.4m for the Suns

The Blazers could send RWIII or Matice Thybuille. They could even throw ins Kris Murray.

[dremill24]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

Would have to add Robert Williams in i think to make the money work but im sure we would.

Saves 8.4m for the Suns

The Blazers could send RWIII or Matice Thybuille. They could even throw ins Kris Murray.

I feel like if the Blazers would actually do this, it would be done already lol

Although Brad would need to have something to say too

[lilfishi22]

Lakers just sign Jaxson Hayes - so they don't seem like a fit for Richards

Now, I wouldn't sell low on Green . I just hope Ishbia/Gregory have a plan with them being under the aprons as it seems Beal is going to be stretched

Just hope there is a good trade in the works if they under the apron. That has to be the move and not just signing "Malcolm Brogdons" of the world

This is why I'm kinda not on board with the Williams trade now. Maybe it doesn't make a difference in the end but I'd rather have those 4 SRPs or that 2029 FRP available to be used in a potential Beal dump than not have. And I know people are very against using assets to dump Beal and I am too but I'm far more open to doing that than stretching Beal.

Like I look at the Bucks as setting the record breaking stretch provision precedent. The Myles Turner signing for the Bucks was a good thing and I think the value is a completely fine (around $25m per) but when you consider what the Bucks had to do to make it possible, that $25m per is really $25m plus $22.5m in Dame's dead salary. Turner's contract is is really $47.5m, $48.36m, $49.38m and $51.1m. There's a damn good chance that dead salary will outlast the Buck's career of Portis, Giannis, Kuz and Turner.

Exactly right about the valuation of the player. But for the Bucks - they have Giannis and have a chance. The Suns are a 30 win team - hey even 36 win team. There isn't a player they can use the MLE that will get them where they will beat OKC, Houston or Denver in the playoffs

Ishbia overplayed his hand with Richards I do believe. How do you not have a 100% signed sealed and delivered trade if you pick up that option. Like "the suns picked up the option and have traded him too.."

Williams is a nice player - but if the choice is getting under the apron with that $22m of cap space plus a bunch of second round picks or getting Williams - no brainer

Yeah, I get it with the Bucks. They still have Giannis, a true homegrown and loyal superstar (unlike LeBron), and when you have a player like that, it's understandable to throw caution to the wind. Breaking up the Holiday/Mids/Giannis core to bring in Kuz and Dame, and now stretching Dame’s $100 million salary, isn’t ideal. But with someone playing at an MVP level like Giannis, I can at least see why some of their maybe irrational moves make sense.

With the Suns and Ishbia, I don’t get the same sense of rational planning. Every major move feels like we overplayed our hand just because it feels right in the moment. The KD trade felt right at the time. The Beal trade felt right at the time.....stretching Beal feels right in this moment. But each of those decisions has come back to hurt us. Even the DA trade arguably set us back as well because the net outgoings ended up being even higher with picks going out to dump Nurk, we ended up stretching Little, we lost Camara who's looking like a stud and now Grayson is seen at best as a neutral asset. Hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time, it was clear we were making extremely high-leverage gambles.

If I think about the worst-case scenario of just holding onto Beal and being limited with the rest of the roster, maybe we lose Book. But even then, we’d probably have a clean cap sheet once Beal’s contract ends, we’d get solid assets from a Book trade, and we’d still have something to work with going into the post-Book era. You stretch Beal and there's still a chance Book is gone and now you ~$20m in dead salary probably well after Book is gone.

[lilfishi22]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

Yes

[sunsfan1o1]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

This has made my day!

Buyout is stupid. Basically paying a high quality nba player to go play on another team you’re competing for a playoff spot with. Makes no sense. Just keep him. He’s not a negative to the team off the bench

[Fo-Real]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

No trade clause silently stares at both teams, WITH A SMIRK ON ITS **** FACE!! But... yes.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Puff]

Just think, if we would have just waived CP3 and not traded for Bradley Beal, we would not have this problem.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm not pro stretch but the caps going to be over $200mil in 3 years so $20mil in dead money isn't as bad as it might seem. Alot of teams have way more than $20 mil in trash contacts on their roster.


With that said I'd still rather simply eat Beals money over the next two years.

[TeamTragic]

Calm down champs. That article just used waive and stretch as an example.

At no point did they say it was preferred or a good idea.

[Butter]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

No trade clause silently stares at both teams, WITH A SMIRK ON ITS **** FACE!! But... yes.

I'm sure Beal will use the no trade clause to force the buy out so he can go to the team of his choosing.

[lilfishi22]

I'm not pro stretch but the caps going to be over $200mil in 3 years so $20mil in dead money isn't as bad as it might seem. Alot of teams have way more than $20 mil in trash contacts on their roster.


With that said I'd still rather simply eat Beals money over the next two years.

Trash contracts are still tradeable. Dead salary is a literal stain in the books you can't get rid of

[BobbieL]

I'm not pro stretch but the caps going to be over $200mil in 3 years so $20mil in dead money isn't as bad as it might seem. Alot of teams have way more than $20 mil in trash contacts on their roster.


With that said I'd still rather simply eat Beals money over the next two years.

Week - we are talking about Mat Ishbia though

[garrick]

Blazers fan - I come in peace

Would there be any interest in trading Jerami Grant for Bradley Beal?

No trade clause silently stares at both teams, WITH A SMIRK ON ITS **** FACE!! But... yes.

I'm sure Beal will use the no trade clause to force the buy out so he can go to the team of his choosing.

If Portland waived DA because they didn't want multi year contracts in return then no way are they taking on Beal's 54M and NTC.

[Butter]

No trade clause silently stares at both teams, WITH A SMIRK ON ITS **** FACE!! But... yes.

I'm sure Beal will use the no trade clause to force the buy out so he can go to the team of his choosing.

If Portland waived DA because they didn't want multi year contracts in return then no way are they taking on Beal's 54M and NTC.

You may be right. The obvious difference is that Ayton had 1 year remaining, and the Blazers had 5 centers. Grant has three years left, and the Blazers have a serious lack of perimeter shooting.