2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[bwgood77]

I feel like there's a lot of unnecessary tension in this forum right now.
Some are trying to reason why DA wasn't extended. If you don't agree with it, then whatever. But no need to act like there's no chance at all that this isn't Sarver's fault. Jones says one thing, but his agent says another. It's OK to think that MAYBE....JUST MAYBE, Jones isn't lying and the agent is.

The only thing that didn't go right this offseason is DA's extension. Before that, why wasn't anyone ripping Jones as a poor GM? One move, that we as fans don't know a single thing about what really happened, and suddenly we act like we're all working behind the scenes.

I'm not going to call people out if/when someone asks, but I'm really getting sick of it. I feel like the respect for some of the posters here isn't recognized. Very frustrating. If someone says something you don't agree with, stop with the snobby responses and act like an adult. Just say, "I don't agree and here's why", instead of acting like the person is an idiot for thinking such a thing.

There’s zero reason for there to be tension till Ayton is actually on another team which I don’t think will happen.

Imagine being upset about it all for the Suns to re-sign him next summer to a 4 yr or 5 yr deal. It would be waste of time and stress to have been upset about it.

I don't think there is tension. Just debate and people trying to figure out reasoning. I personally don't think either side was really lying. Both basically say they never negotiated. Jones said "they were open to discussing but never really did any negotiating" and the other side said that "any kind of a max deal, 3 or 4 years was never offered, not even informally". Both of these can be true. I don't think the Suns had any plans to do that though, but that's not a bad thing because I think it would not be smart to lock him up for fewer years than you could.

[Slim Charless]

I feel like there's a lot of unnecessary tension in this forum right now.
Some are trying to reason why DA wasn't extended. If you don't agree with it, then whatever. But no need to act like there's no chance at all that this isn't Sarver's fault. Jones says one thing, but his agent says another. It's OK to think that MAYBE....JUST MAYBE, Jones isn't lying and the agent is.

The only thing that didn't go right this offseason is DA's extension. Before that, why wasn't anyone ripping Jones as a poor GM? One move, that we as fans don't know a single thing about what really happened, and suddenly we act like we're all working behind the scenes.

I'm not going to call people out if/when someone asks, but I'm really getting sick of it. I feel like the respect for some of the posters here isn't recognized. Very frustrating. If someone says something you don't agree with, stop with the snobby responses and act like an adult. Just say, "I don't agree and here's why", instead of acting like the person is an idiot for thinking such a thing.

There’s zero reason for there to be tension till Ayton is actually on another team which I don’t think will happen.

Imagine being upset about it all for the Suns to re-sign him next summer to a 4 yr or 5 yr deal. It would be waste of time and stress to have been upset about it.

I don't think that anyone is "upset" but this is a discussion forum and this is easily the biggest story around the team. Hell, if it weren't for Simmons, than this might be the major story that everyone would be talking about. I mean who goes to the finals and refuses to sign their #1 overall pick?

Big Time Bobby Sarver, that's who

[matt131]

Jevon Carter being in the 10-man rotation for the Brooklyn Nets to start the season surprises me

A -29 as well...granted the bucks dominated most of the game and harden/Durant were -20. Mills looks really good for them.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Jevon Carter being in the 10-man rotation for the Brooklyn Nets to start the season surprises me

In theory I like him paired with Harden. Let Carter guard PGs and then just go stand in the corner on O.

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[matt131]

I wonder if there will be a ring ceremony for the Lakers tonight as well seeing as they totally could have super easily won the whole thing if AD wasn't always hurt

[bwgood77]

I feel like there's a lot of unnecessary tension in this forum right now.
Some are trying to reason why DA wasn't extended. If you don't agree with it, then whatever. But no need to act like there's no chance at all that this isn't Sarver's fault. Jones says one thing, but his agent says another. It's OK to think that MAYBE....JUST MAYBE, Jones isn't lying and the agent is.

The only thing that didn't go right this offseason is DA's extension. Before that, why wasn't anyone ripping Jones as a poor GM? One move, that we as fans don't know a single thing about what really happened, and suddenly we act like we're all working behind the scenes.

I'm not going to call people out if/when someone asks, but I'm really getting sick of it. I feel like the respect for some of the posters here isn't recognized. Very frustrating. If someone says something you don't agree with, stop with the snobby responses and act like an adult. Just say, "I don't agree and here's why", instead of acting like the person is an idiot for thinking such a thing.

There’s zero reason for there to be tension till Ayton is actually on another team which I don’t think will happen.

Imagine being upset about it all for the Suns to re-sign him next summer to a 4 yr or 5 yr deal. It would be waste of time and stress to have been upset about it.

I don't think that anyone is "upset" but this is a discussion forum and this is easily the biggest story around the team. Hell, if it weren't for Simmons, than this might be the major story that everyone would be talking about. I mean who goes to the finals and refuses to sign their #1 overall pick?

Big Time Bobby Sarver, that's who

I actually probably defend Sarver at this point more than most. Or defend might not be the best way to put it, but don't think he is nearly as bad as he used to be and don't care if he sells the team especially given we just had a deep playoff run and have a solid GM and coach in place.

But I don't think anyone can disagree with the fact that if Sarver wanted to get Ayton signed and pay him the max, it would have gotten done regardless of anything else, and if he did not want to, it wouldn't get done regardless of anything else.

But, it's not the worst thing unless he ends up leaving because of it, which in my estimation, is highly doubtful. I think there may be something in place where you can only give a 5 year extension on a max deal, but can sign your own FA to a 5 year deal at less than max (or at least by then you would know if he met the 30% criteria) so in those scenarios, especially the first one, it's not a bad reason to wait. I think in many times it can create discontent, as WeekapaugGroove has pointed out you shouldn't mess with it normally, but I kind of think Ayton is different. I know he's unhappy but that's understandable. I don't think it will make him want to go elsewhere though if we give him a good offer next summer. I'd hate for it to come down to a match.

I don't think a max deal has ever been matched has it? Like a full max, not the 2 year undrafted rookie max amount. I can't think of a time a team actually allowed a guy to get a max offer from another team. Maybe someone like Otto Porter who I don't really think anyone (probably except the team that gave it to him-Brooklyn) thought he was worth. Brooklyn offered absurd contracts that got matched to several players though...Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe, etc.

[bwgood77]

I wonder if there will be a ring ceremony for the Lakers tonight as well seeing as they totally could have super easily won the whole thing if AD wasn't always hurt

I don't normally laugh out loud at posts, but that one got me. Special award to LeBron that says "MVP if had more offseason rest".

[RaisingArizona]

I feel like there's a lot of unnecessary tension in this forum right now.
Some are trying to reason why DA wasn't extended. If you don't agree with it, then whatever. But no need to act like there's no chance at all that this isn't Sarver's fault. Jones says one thing, but his agent says another. It's OK to think that MAYBE....JUST MAYBE, Jones isn't lying and the agent is.

The only thing that didn't go right this offseason is DA's extension. Before that, why wasn't anyone ripping Jones as a poor GM? One move, that we as fans don't know a single thing about what really happened, and suddenly we act like we're all working behind the scenes.

I'm not going to call people out if/when someone asks, but I'm really getting sick of it. I feel like the respect for some of the posters here isn't recognized. Very frustrating. If someone says something you don't agree with, stop with the snobby responses and act like an adult. Just say, "I don't agree and here's why", instead of acting like the person is an idiot for thinking such a thing.

It was the biggest question mark of the offseason and now it rolls into the season. Will it be a distraction? I don't know. Given Saver's track record, there's genuine reason for fan concern.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Lakers are playing their bigs lot of minutes. McGee will definitely come in handy especially against them.

[Slim Charless]

There’s zero reason for there to be tension till Ayton is actually on another team which I don’t think will happen.

Imagine being upset about it all for the Suns to re-sign him next summer to a 4 yr or 5 yr deal. It would be waste of time and stress to have been upset about it.

I don't think that anyone is "upset" but this is a discussion forum and this is easily the biggest story around the team. Hell, if it weren't for Simmons, than this might be the major story that everyone would be talking about. I mean who goes to the finals and refuses to sign their #1 overall pick?

Big Time Bobby Sarver, that's who

I actually probably defend Sarver at this point more than most. Or defend might not be the best way to put it, but don't think he is nearly as bad as he used to be and don't care if he sells the team especially given we just had a deep playoff run and have a solid GM and coach in place.

But I don't think anyone can disagree with the fact that if Sarver wanted to get Ayton signed and pay him the max, it would have gotten done regardless of anything else, and if he did not want to, it wouldn't get done regardless of anything else.

But, it's not the worst thing unless he ends up leaving because of it, which in my estimation, is highly doubtful. I think there may be something in place where you can only give a 5 year extension on a max deal, but can sign your own FA to a 5 year deal at less than max (or at least by then you would know if he met the 30% criteria) so in those scenarios, especially the first one, it's not a bad reason to wait. I think in many times it can create discontent, as WeekapaugGroove has pointed out you shouldn't mess with it normally, but I kind of think Ayton is different. I know he's unhappy but that's understandable. I don't think it will make him want to go elsewhere though if we give him a good offer next summer. I'd hate for it to come down to a match.

I don't think a max deal has ever been matched has it? Like a full max, not the 2 year undrafted rookie max amount. I can't think of a time a team actually allowed a guy to get a max offer from another team. Maybe someone like Otto Porter who I don't really think anyone (probably except the team that gave it to him-Brooklyn) thought he was worth. Brooklyn offered absurd contracts that got matched to several players though...Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe, etc.

Most teams sign their 1st round picks...especially the #1 overall guy.

Sarver making history again. Did Utah match a max deal for Hayward? Or what about when New Orleans matched the deal we gave to Eric Gordon?

[bwoolf2]

I don't think that anyone is "upset" but this is a discussion forum and this is easily the biggest story around the team. Hell, if it weren't for Simmons, than this might be the major story that everyone would be talking about. I mean who goes to the finals and refuses to sign their #1 overall pick?

Big Time Bobby Sarver, that's who

I actually probably defend Sarver at this point more than most. Or defend might not be the best way to put it, but don't think he is nearly as bad as he used to be and don't care if he sells the team especially given we just had a deep playoff run and have a solid GM and coach in place.

But I don't think anyone can disagree with the fact that if Sarver wanted to get Ayton signed and pay him the max, it would have gotten done regardless of anything else, and if he did not want to, it wouldn't get done regardless of anything else.

But, it's not the worst thing unless he ends up leaving because of it, which in my estimation, is highly doubtful. I think there may be something in place where you can only give a 5 year extension on a max deal, but can sign your own FA to a 5 year deal at less than max (or at least by then you would know if he met the 30% criteria) so in those scenarios, especially the first one, it's not a bad reason to wait. I think in many times it can create discontent, as WeekapaugGroove has pointed out you shouldn't mess with it normally, but I kind of think Ayton is different. I know he's unhappy but that's understandable. I don't think it will make him want to go elsewhere though if we give him a good offer next summer. I'd hate for it to come down to a match.

I don't think a max deal has ever been matched has it? Like a full max, not the 2 year undrafted rookie max amount. I can't think of a time a team actually allowed a guy to get a max offer from another team. Maybe someone like Otto Porter who I don't really think anyone (probably except the team that gave it to him-Brooklyn) thought he was worth. Brooklyn offered absurd contracts that got matched to several players though...Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe, etc.

Most teams sign their 1st round picks...especially the #1 overall guy.

Sarver making history again. Did Utah match a max deal for Hayward? Or what about when New Orleans matched the deal we gave to Eric Gordon?

I think that horse is dead you have beaten it to death.

[Slim Charless]

I actually probably defend Sarver at this point more than most. Or defend might not be the best way to put it, but don't think he is nearly as bad as he used to be and don't care if he sells the team especially given we just had a deep playoff run and have a solid GM and coach in place.

But I don't think anyone can disagree with the fact that if Sarver wanted to get Ayton signed and pay him the max, it would have gotten done regardless of anything else, and if he did not want to, it wouldn't get done regardless of anything else.

But, it's not the worst thing unless he ends up leaving because of it, which in my estimation, is highly doubtful. I think there may be something in place where you can only give a 5 year extension on a max deal, but can sign your own FA to a 5 year deal at less than max (or at least by then you would know if he met the 30% criteria) so in those scenarios, especially the first one, it's not a bad reason to wait. I think in many times it can create discontent, as WeekapaugGroove has pointed out you shouldn't mess with it normally, but I kind of think Ayton is different. I know he's unhappy but that's understandable. I don't think it will make him want to go elsewhere though if we give him a good offer next summer. I'd hate for it to come down to a match.

I don't think a max deal has ever been matched has it? Like a full max, not the 2 year undrafted rookie max amount. I can't think of a time a team actually allowed a guy to get a max offer from another team. Maybe someone like Otto Porter who I don't really think anyone (probably except the team that gave it to him-Brooklyn) thought he was worth. Brooklyn offered absurd contracts that got matched to several players though...Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe, etc.

Most teams sign their 1st round picks...especially the #1 overall guy.

Sarver making history again. Did Utah match a max deal for Hayward? Or what about when New Orleans matched the deal we gave to Eric Gordon?

I think that horse is dead you have beaten it to death.

I like to think of myself as the preeminent Sarver basher. Sarver basher MVP really.

[darealjuice]

Russell Westbrook's fit on the Lakers is going about as well as one would expect so far lol

[Puff]

I have a lot of faith in James Jones and I think he was the one who decided to not offer Ayton the max contract.

He probably has some doubts about Ayton like a lot of us have had about him for the last three years. James probably wants to see a full great year from Ayton before give him that 5-year max.

BTW, every other move that we have done are PERFECT. Shamet's contract is NICE with just two years fully guaranteed and no need to even talk about Payne, Mikal and CP3's new deals...all look very good deals or the Suns.

Elfrid for the minimum and McGee for $5M look very good on paper too.

I'm not that big of a fan of the McGee deal-I would've rather they got D12, who's tough very physical player who doesn't back down from anyone.

I guess you have no faith in James Jones. I think he has put together a fantastic squad with a guy that is all about the money, or so it appears. I do not remember Booker saying max or nothing. I just wish we had drafted Doncic instead of Ayton. Whoever made the decision to draft Ayton rather than Doncic made a poor decision. If anyone would still rather have Ayton, I don't know what NBA you have been following.

If Ayton pouts and or underperforms I hope he is traded next off season. If he shows improvement with a great attitude I hope we sign him to a max contract next off season unless we can get a better player or players in a sign and trade.

[lilfishi22]

Russell Westbrook's fit on the Lakers is going about as well as one would expect so far lol

Haven't watched it but I imagine it's something like your turn, my turn, brick, my turn, brick, my turn, brick, your turn ?

[Mjee]

Hahahahhaah omg Russ is soooo bad

It’s comedic to watch at this point

[bwoolf2]

Watched both games tonight Bucks are really good, nets not sure about, but not really worried about Lakers or Warriors, if klay comes back and found some magical way to be 100 percent then the Warriors will be something until then they are middle of the pack.

[darealjuice]

Russell Westbrook's fit on the Lakers is going about as well as one would expect so far lol

Haven't watched it but I imagine it's something like your turn, my turn, brick, my turn, brick, my turn, brick, your turn ?

Worse, it's him standing around alone on the perimeter off-ball most of the time and throwing up bricks and turning it over while driving into crowds whenever he gets the ball. They've played him at the same time as Rondo lol.

[lilfishi22]

I have a lot of faith in James Jones and I think he was the one who decided to not offer Ayton the max contract.

He probably has some doubts about Ayton like a lot of us have had about him for the last three years. James probably wants to see a full great year from Ayton before give him that 5-year max.

BTW, every other move that we have done are PERFECT. Shamet's contract is NICE with just two years fully guaranteed and no need to even talk about Payne, Mikal and CP3's new deals...all look very good deals or the Suns.

Elfrid for the minimum and McGee for $5M look very good on paper too.

I'm not that big of a fan of the McGee deal-I would've rather they got D12, who's tough very physical player who doesn't back down from anyone.

I'm pretty happy with McGee. He's a 3 time NBA champ and that tells me he's doing something right for these teams to want his services despite his past reputation. That's worth something even if individually he's not as good of a defender/rebounder as Dwight. Dwight's issue has always been his ego, took him far too long to realise the game has moved on from him being a go-to scorer. Dwight has had locker room issues in the past and it's a risky move to bring him into the fold. I get the feeling McGee is just a better team guy and that's what we're after; a hard worker, with good experience that knows his role and everyone seems to love the guy.