The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Time to move on and go to plan B...

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

I like Deng. Not for $12 million. Maybe $10 million. But hey, whats $2 million to the owners. I'd rather have Hayward, but Deng is a solid player and does everything you ask him to do + some.

People can look at PER rating and per36 numbers and say Tucker is cheaper and similair player, but you're kidding yourself if you think Tucker nets more wins than Deng as our starter.

Then just trade Morrisx2 + Goodwin + Lakers 1st + Suns 1st for Kevin Love and Kevin Martin (assuming he agrees to re-sign).

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Martin/Bogdan
Deng/Green
Love/Warren
Plumlee/Len

I'd be down. Solid team with shooters, defense, grit, and someone who can rebound.

[BobbieL]

Well, not surprised. Once Riley got Granger and Josh McRoberts - to me, it was pretty much done deal for the Big 3 back to Miami

So, what is Plan B....hmmmm

Which to me, is just laughable. Those guys are solid additions sure, they do nothing to address Miami's lack of post defense or relieve the pressure on Lebron.

We need to turn our focus to beating the elite out west. Come on McDonough.

I think BobbieL was joking. But yes, it is laughable. I don't really see how the team can be any better at all.

Wasn't joking necessarily. Just pointing out that at the beginning of free agency, the story was the Heat players were going to take less to add a Gortat or Deng or Gasol or Lowery. But, with these two guys signing contracts with "exception money" - that told me that Bosh, Wade, LeBron and Haslem were going to take like 54.5m out of their available 55m of cap space - or close to it. And with that being the case that exception money was being used- it meant (probably) that Wade and Bosh were comfortable with their share of the pie after LeBron got the first 21m and Haslem got a few

I am not saying this is the best team to play for - just stating that it makes sense they are going back with those two contracts

As this team - even with these two guys, will not win the the Title and may not beat Chicago if they have a healthy Rose and say Pau Gasol

[KLEON]

I hope Plan B is Ryan Anderson - think he would be a great fit for us. Only on a two year deal, so allows us to keep flexibility.

He's not a free agent, but does only have 2 years, $17 million left on his current deal.

I would love Ryan Anderson here without giving up a thing. Any magician here?

[thamadkant]

Time to move on and go to plan B...

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

WTF

this is exactly what I said on the previous thread...
as Plan B... (Scenario Lebron dont sign)

But Ryan Anderson is also coming?

[PhxSunsFan1234]

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

Interesting. I'd much rather go after youth/upside in hayward at $12M per yr than Deng or Gasol at near the same amount. Doesn't seem very McD of McD

You have to remember. Hayward is RFA. Deng is UFA. You can't get Hayward at $10-$12 million. You'll have to give him the max to get him.

Deng you can at least get him for $10-$11 million. And Deng is no scrub. He's a very very very good player in the NBA. Some injury concerns, but he's tough and does everything you need him to do.

[LukasBMW]

Also wouldn't mind if we "wifed up" some player Minnesota wanted and then promptly shipped his ass to Minnesota (since no one wants to play in Minnesota, Minnesota needs trapped talent).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Meh,

Part of me would rather not have Lebron on my team.
F him!
...and his ego
...and his entourage
...and his flips
...and him trying to control the entire front office

I don't care about that stuff. I like the Suns. If you're on the Suns, I like you. If you're not on the Suns, I don't, unless your contributions are part of Suns lore. So Nash, Raja, STAT, Matrix - those guys I like, even after they've moved on.

Now, LeBron is just another adversary. But had he been a Sun, I would have loved him.

[BobbieL]

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

I like Deng. Not for $12 million. Maybe $10 million. But hey, whats $2 million to the owners. I'd rather have Hayward, but Deng is a solid player and does everything you ask him to do + some.

People can look at PER rating and per36 numbers and say Tucker is cheaper and similair player, but you're kidding yourself if you think Tucker nets more wins than Deng as our starter.

Then just trade Morrisx2 + Goodwin + Lakers 1st + Suns 1st for Kevin Love and Kevin Martin (assuming he agrees to re-sign).

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Martin/Bogdan
Deng/Green
Love/Warren
Plumlee/Len

I'd be down. Solid team with shooters, defense, grit, and someone who can rebound.

I agree. Deng at say 10m is so much better for the team than Tucker at 5m. Deng can score the ball a bit better. May not have the defense or hustle factor - but better scorer

[bwgood77]

Time to move on and go to plan B...

All bias aside, I think LeBron is making a mistake. Would be very interested to hear his reasoning. Has to be Miami, Cleveland would be utter stupidity.

Lots of bias though.

Miami: 4 straight finals appearances. If Big 3 show up, especially in the east, still favorite to get out of the east. Hell, adding McRoberts and Granger, although not the best players, were better than majority of their bench last year. Cole returns. Haslem. Ray Allen. Maybe try and get Alan Anderson (putting Wade as Ginobli-type 6th man).

Cleveland: Cleveland suffered from a) Kyrie isn't a franchise player. A great player. Not franchise. b) terrible terrible coach. They hired a unique coach being from europe and what not, but everyone says it was a fantastic hire. They have the talent (and just added Wiggins who I think is the best player in the draft). If you put LeBron on that team, they're still the favorite out of the east.

Suns: Are we more talented? Absolutely. But honestly, he isn't a good fit here. Dragic and Bledsoe are slashers. They need the ball in their hands. They don't shoot the 3 ball all that well. How are you going to have 3 ball handling slashers who are average 3 point shooters in a lineup together. I'm sure they would still win due to the LeBron effect. But the best teams for LeBron are teams that can space the floor. Put the ball in his hand. Have 3 shooters surrounding him. Let him go to work and dump off to a big or kickout to a shooter. That is a team LeBron needs. Shooters. Shooters. Shooters.

I know Allen wants to come back, but I am not sure he will want to do it for the vet minimum. I originally didn't think LeBron would be a good fit with our current duo pg system either and that he needed to be surrounded by shooters. I'm sure it could have worked, but it would have been odd seeing Bledsoe and Dragic both stand around even more without the ball. However, I guess they were going to trade Dragic if they got LeBron and that probably made sense. Ultimately, I'm glad we will be keeping Dragic. Maybe if we sign Deng we can make a deal for Love at the deadline while keeping our pg duo.

[NTB]

Can Gasol create enough spacing with his mid-range?

[JJ13]

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

Interesting. I'd much rather go after youth/upside in hayward at $12M per yr than Deng or Gasol at near the same amount. Doesn't seem very McD of McD

You have to remember. Hayward is RFA. Deng is UFA. You can't get Hayward at $10-$12 million. You'll have to give him the max to get him.

Deng you can at least get him for $10-$11 million. And Deng is no scrub. He's a very very very good player in the NBA. Some injury concerns, but he's tough and does everything you need him to do.

I'm fine with Deng for 1-2 year deal, but not so much 3-4 years.

[harshey1388]

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

I like Deng. Not for $12 million. Maybe $10 million. But hey, whats $2 million to the owners. I'd rather have Hayward, but Deng is a solid player and does everything you ask him to do + some.

People can look at PER rating and per36 numbers and say Tucker is cheaper and similair player, but you're kidding yourself if you think Tucker nets more wins than Deng as our starter.

Then just trade Morrisx2 + Goodwin + Lakers 1st + Suns 1st for Kevin Love and Kevin Martin (assuming he agrees to re-sign).

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Martin/Bogdan
Deng/Green
Love/Warren
Plumlee/Len

I'd be down. Solid team with shooters, defense, grit, and someone who can rebound.

You just gave up a majority of our assets.

[starbosa10]

Thanks for the info ray. Glad to know we won't be wasting money.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Also wouldn't mind if we "wifed up" some player Minnesota wanted and then promptly shipped his ass to Minnesota (since no one wants to play in Minnesota, Minnesota needs trapped talent).

I'm kinda hoping that's what we'd be doing with Deng and Pau. Though I suppose we'd be able to win some games with Pau at the 4. But with either of them, I don't think we'd want those contracts after year 2.

[BobbieL]

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

Interesting. I'd much rather go after youth/upside in hayward at $12M per yr than Deng or Gasol at near the same amount. Doesn't seem very McD of McD

You have to remember. Hayward is RFA. Deng is UFA. You can't get Hayward at $10-$12 million. You'll have to give him the max to get him.

Deng you can at least get him for $10-$11 million. And Deng is no scrub. He's a very very very good player in the NBA. Some injury concerns, but he's tough and does everything you need him to do.

I am okay with Deng and Gasol over Tucker and Frye. Better offense, less defense, better post play; better mid range scoring; GAsol can pass the ball; smart player. Good mentor. Small 2-3 year deals. I am okay with it

[bwgood77]

And based on what you said before, does that mean we are or are not trading dragic?

Dragic stays .. They'll go after Pau Gasol and Lou Deng.. I'm not sure what other names they're going to go after via trade.

One thing is for sure, they will NOT jeopardize their assets or going to sign mediocre FA for the hell of it

Signing Deng is going after mediocre FA in my eyes, I do not understand why we would want him, it's not even as if he's a systematic fit either.

Yeah, I'd take Pierce first if we felt we really needed a vet at the 3 to upgrade. He only wants $9-$10 million and 1-2 years and is better across the board than Deng, even at his age, and especially in our system AND has played on a championship team..knows what it takes to win. But I guess I'm ok with Deng, especially if he can be used as trade bait.

[BurningHeart]

If we get Gasol, he better shut the **** up near the rim.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Interesting. I'd much rather go after youth/upside in hayward at $12M per yr than Deng or Gasol at near the same amount. Doesn't seem very McD of McD

You have to remember. Hayward is RFA. Deng is UFA. You can't get Hayward at $10-$12 million. You'll have to give him the max to get him.

Deng you can at least get him for $10-$11 million. And Deng is no scrub. He's a very very very good player in the NBA. Some injury concerns, but he's tough and does everything you need him to do.

I'm fine with Deng for 1-2 year deal, but not so much 3-4 years.

Deng is 29. wtf? Why would you not want him for 3-4 years. And he's just as good as a defender as Tucker. Averages almost 2 steals per game.

[GDFTony]

Now that we're not bringing in LBJ.

I really want to see one of our young guys explode to star status. Homegrown stars are the best.

I'm pumped for Warren/Goodwin (not sure about Ennis but still excited)

[bwgood77]

Also wouldn't mind if we "wifed up" some player Minnesota wanted and then promptly shipped his ass to Minnesota (since no one wants to play in Minnesota, Minnesota needs trapped talent).

I'm kinda hoping that's what we'd be doing with Deng and Pau. Though I suppose we'd be able to win some games with Pau at the 4. But with either of them, I don't think we'd want those contracts after year 2.

Me too, but you can't trade free agents you sign until Dec 15th, and with some of them Jan 15th. I don't expect Pau to sign here though since he has stated he wants to play with a contender and is reportedly deciding between Chicago, SA and OKC.