bwgood77 wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:I think there's basically no chance Kaminsky falls through all of Miami, Indiana and Utah. Myles Turner might, though. I think we'll be looking at Oubre, Turner, Booker and Payne where we pick.
I've soured on the bigs in our range - Porter and Looney. Unfortunately, while the draft has sufficient depth at the 4 spot, none of those 4s look like quality starters. Payne is a 1, Booker a 2, Oubre a 3, and Turner a 5.
Again, one guy I really like in this draft is Hollis-Jefferson. Dray Green/Tony Allen on D. Can he develop a 3 pointer?
I suspect there will be a lot of movement on draft day this year. I hope we're in the thick of it.
Are you soured on Looney just because he has fallen in some mocks? Or because you have dissected his game? He is mentioned as more of a Lamar Odom type of player...so a 3/4 hybrid but when LAL won their chips, he played 4 most of the time with either Gasol or Bynum at the 5.
I can't really say how much I like him because I haven't watched him or any of them enough, outside of Kaminsky, Winslow, Okafor, Russell and the AZ guys.
I do respect Givony's skills as a scout more than Chad Ford's, but I respect Ford's reports from NBA scouts and GMs more since I think he has more access and info from them, and they all stay anonymous...sure of course some won't say who they like a ton so it doesn't get out, but according to him (at least last time I looked), Looney AND Turner were both top 10 guys, or close to it...Kaminsky has moved up, but it depends on the team, as many teams like him and many teams think he is a bust (according to Ford).
And I love RHJ as an AZ fan, but he is one of the worst shooters projected to go in the first round. He is basically PJ Tucker with a better IQ...but a worse shooter. He would be a guy who would be great off the bench IF Warren starts and PJ is gone...maybe to work with PJ for a year, but certainly no where near a 13th pick guy.
And we need bigs. If we don't draft a big, we better draft about the best sharpshooter out there and he better have size and be able to defend.
I've soured on Looney for a few reasons. First, his footspeed - he just doesn't look very quick. Since he's undersized at the 4, he'll have to be quick - goes doubly if he's going to play the 3. Second, I think his rebounding numbers are inflated due to the lack of bigs on UCLA and the rate of play. I don't think he'll be an effective rim protector. All that combines to make me wonder if he has a position in the NBA.
Turner has a long ways to go, and I think there's a solid shot he's available where we pick. He's a project, and he's a 5 due to his lack of mobility. He's a skinny 5, at that. Kaminsky has more potential to play both the 4 and 5 because he's so much more mobile. Upside or not, if he can hit the NBA 3 at close to a 40% clip, as a legit 7-footer, he's got a spot in an NBA rotation.
I know RHJ can't shoot, but he's got so much energy, and he's a team player. Shooting is a skill that can be improved. Like Tucker, he can guard 1-4. I just like him. I think he'll have a long career in the NBA - usually a dodgy prospect for a guy picked in the 20s.
I think I've come around to the conclusion that, if he's available, we'll take Devin Booker. I don't know what that means for Archie or Bogdan, but at our slot, that's the guy I think is likeliest to have a successful NBA career. Bogdan's not coming over in a couple years anyway.
If we're trading up, it's for Porzingis. I just don't know how we would do it. Bled to SAC would work, but Lawson's probably a cheaper buy for SAC (we'd want Stauskas as well, I would think, though we could also send them our #13). The Morris twins could get us there, possibly, if we were willing to take Landry back as well. I don't see us moving up, but our FO probably has the green light to give us an overhaul if they desire it.
