2016 Draft

[AtheJ415]

Ingram > Simmons

The huge problem I see is we dont have a starting PF. The only decent free agent this offseason is Al Horford and I doubt he's gonna come here. Otherwise were stuck with someone like Leur, Teletovic as a starter. Which means another year in the tank.

Teams as young as we'll be don't win anyways. I think we'll make a run at a PF or C (maybe sliding Len to the 4 a bit more often), and while there are some young PFs I like (Jones, for instance), it doesn't matter imo if we get even Horford. We'll lose because we're too young (our entire bench would be 20-24 year olds).

So we should draft the guy we feel is best at the top, and can always draft Rabb or a similarly thought of big with the Washington pick.

[AtheJ415]

I'll go with Hield, b/c he is not UK.
Had enough of those chuckers.

I think it really depends on how much you believe in Hield's new shooting from this year. It's a drastic improvement, but if it's legitimate I'd go with Hield too.

[AtheJ415]

Also, with the Ingram/Simmons talk I think people are overthinking half court offensive fit. We still want to be a running and gunning team, and Simmons fits that well. He's actually pretty ideal in that role (rebounder who initiates break or can grab it and go the distance). That said, I'm still personally torn on who I'd want if we ended up with the #1 pick.

[Bogyo]

Also, with the Ingram/Simmons talk I think people are overthinking half court offensive fit. We still want to be a running and gunning team, and Simmons fits that well. He's actually pretty ideal in that role (rebounder who initiates break or can grab it and go the distance). That said, I'm still personally torn on who I'd want if we ended up with the #1 pick.

Same here, as both guys have shown some traits which not really promising. Is it just immaturity of the 18/19yr olds, both phisically and mentaly? If yes will they overcome? My gut feeling is that one of the 2 has a good chance of going the Beasley rout (maybe not China bad, but bust nevertheless). I have no idea which one though.

[AtheJ415]

Also, with the Ingram/Simmons talk I think people are overthinking half court offensive fit. We still want to be a running and gunning team, and Simmons fits that well. He's actually pretty ideal in that role (rebounder who initiates break or can grab it and go the distance). That said, I'm still personally torn on who I'd want if we ended up with the #1 pick.

Same here, as both guys have shown some traits which not really promising. Is it just immaturity of the 18/19yr olds, both phisically and mentaly? If yes will they overcome? My gut feeling is that one of the 2 has a good chance of going the Beasley rout (maybe not China bad, but bust nevertheless). I have no idea which one though.

With how Simmons defends, I wonder if LSU is telling him not to be aggressive so as not to foul out. Honestly it reminds me of high school stars who are so valuable to the offense the coach tells them to never risk fouls. He basically just hangs out and conserves energy.

I agree that one could bust, and because of that I'm currently leaning towards Ingram if we get the 1st pick. He's more projectable position-wise and his length in my opinion gives him the upside defensively over Simmons. It kind of sucks because we really need a 4 more than a 3, and Ingram is probably a 3 in the NBA unless he can gain another 50 pounds. Plus, I like having that size/length at the 3. We'd have a really long PG in Bledsoe, a tall 2 guard in Booker, and a long and tall SF in Ingram, plus Len at the 5. That's really a desirable situation.

I'm somewhat hoping we can get Ingram, then draft a PF with one of our other firsts, or trade one of Bledsoe or Knight for a good young PF who fits our age group.

[Bogyo]

Also, with the Ingram/Simmons talk I think people are overthinking half court offensive fit. We still want to be a running and gunning team, and Simmons fits that well. He's actually pretty ideal in that role (rebounder who initiates break or can grab it and go the distance). That said, I'm still personally torn on who I'd want if we ended up with the #1 pick.

Same here, as both guys have shown some traits which not really promising. Is it just immaturity of the 18/19yr olds, both phisically and mentaly? If yes will they overcome? My gut feeling is that one of the 2 has a good chance of going the Beasley rout (maybe not China bad, but bust nevertheless). I have no idea which one though.

With how Simmons defends, I wonder if LSU is telling him not to be aggressive so as not to foul out. Honestly it reminds me of high school stars who are so valuable to the offense the coach tells them to never risk fouls. He basically just hangs out and conserves energy.

I agree that one could bust, and because of that I'm currently leaning towards Ingram if we get the 1st pick. He's more projectable position-wise and his length in my opinion gives him the upside defensively over Simmons. It kind of sucks because we really need a 4 more than a 3, and Ingram is probably a 3 in the NBA unless he can gain another 50 pounds. Plus, I like having that size/length at the 3. We'd have a really long PG in Bledsoe, a tall 2 guard in Booker, and a long and tall SF in Ingram, plus Len at the 5. That's really a desirable situation.

I'm somewhat hoping we can get Ingram, then draft a PF with one of our other firsts, or trade one of Bledsoe or Knight for a good young PF who fits our age group.

Have the same feeling with Simmons, a bit too laid back as its soooo easy for him, becouse he is such a gifted player (picking LSU for starters, academic issues, looking generaly not intrested sometimes, and I could go on).
Anyone remember the young Tim Thomas? He had the game come to him so easy that he never really tried hard, hence did not do anything special with his enormus talent. While Simmons is even more talented the way he just "hangs out" as AtheJ pointed out is just a bit scary for a no1 pick.

Ingram will never put on that 50 pounds of muscle, heck I'd be surprised with 30! He is just not that type of dude (having a same type of conversation about Booker in his thread, if anyone cares to take a look). In the games that I've seen he has trouble taking contact near the rim even in college, which makes him a lot less effective especially when his shot is not falling. How will that translate to the NBA?
Plus he just looks stoned sometimes, or is it just me thinking that?

Although I do agree that he has a narrower floor/ceiling than Simmons.
I honestly don't know who should we take if we are no1.

[Amareca]

At #1 its clearly Simmons before Ingram for us

At #12 my favorite is clearly Denzel Valentine although Ivan Rabb would make it a very hard decision.
I like that Valentine is more ready and he would round out our SF position.

At #27 I like Stephen Zimmerman, Sabonis or Grayson Allen
At #33 I like Labissiere, Newman, Zubac, draft and stash candidates, high risk players.

Simmons
Valentine
Sabonis/Zimmerman
Allen

Would be my ideal semi-realistic draft.


Len/Chandler/Sabonis
Simmons/
Warren/Tucker/Valentine
Booker/Bogdanovic/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Knight/Allen



Getting a rookie PG as third string option would be nice but slim pickings imo. Don't like any, maybe Monte Morris at 33.
So I would go with Grayson Allen as a combo guard.

[TheFire]

Any chance Jaylen Brown is available around the late lottery when we use the Wizards pick? Say around 10-14 range?

How awesome would it be to come away with Simmons and Brown from this draft?

[TheFire]

And is this draft class really as awful as people say? Sorry, haven't really been following college basketball this year as much as I have in the past.

[jcsunsfan]

And is this draft class really as awful as people say? Sorry, haven't really been following college basketball this year as much as I have in the past.

You never really know. At the time, many said the 2011 draft class was the worst ever.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/623971-2011-nba-draft-the-10-worst-draft-classes-in-nba-history

But that was the at the top of the class. Interesting things happened farther down.

1. Kyrie Irving
4. Tristan Thompson
8. Brandon Knight
11. Klay Thompson
15. Kawhi Leanard.
16. Vucevic
22. Faried
23. Mirotic
24. Reggie Jackson
30. Jimmy Butler
38. Chandler Parsons
60. Isaiah Thomas

[bwgood77]

And is this draft class really as awful as people say? Sorry, haven't really been following college basketball this year as much as I have in the past.

You never really know. At the time, many said the 2011 draft class was the worst ever.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/623971-2011-nba-draft-the-10-worst-draft-classes-in-nba-history

But that was the at the top of the class. Interesting things happened farther down.

1. Kyrie Irving
4. Tristan Thompson
8. Brandon Knight
11. Klay Thompson
15. Kawhi Leanard.
16. Vucevic
22. Faried
23. Mirotic
24. Reggie Jackson
30. Jimmy Butler
38. Chandler Parsons
60. Isaiah Thomas

Interesting that the last pick in each round are all stars...probably will happen again this year as GS gets a couple of all stars.

[AtheJ415]

Any chance Jaylen Brown is available around the late lottery when we use the Wizards pick? Say around 10-14 range?

How awesome would it be to come away with Simmons and Brown from this draft?

Barring an injury I'd say no. DEx is already moving him up to pick 3 in their most recent mock draft. I'd love it but it would be entirely shocking.

Right now, I'm hoping we can get Ingram and a PF or C, like Rabb, Ellenson (longshot to fall that far but I've seen some mocks that have him down at 8 now), Stone, or Skal, at Washington's spot.

Or perhaps grab a guy like Hield with Wash pick and get Chieck Dialo or Zhou Qi with Cavs.

[Damkac]

http://www.nbadraft.net/california-dreaming

Player of the Week (Feb 13-20)

Jaylen Brown - California
While Brown had a fairly good week, this is a team award for me. With a huge road win against Washington, the Golden Bears are suddenly just a game back from Oregon and Arizona for first place in the Pac-12. With Tyrone Wallace still working himself back to full strength, Brown has been looked to for much of the California offense. Brown had a great game against the Huskies, scoring 23 points with five boards a block and two steals all with 7 of 13 shooting. This is the Brown that everyone expected coming out of High School. The freshman was efficient, got to the free throw line, and was even pretty good on defense. In California’s other win during the week, Brown had 15 points and also chipped in eight boards and three assists. Brown had seven turnovers this week, but it’s okay, especially when Brown is aggressive and attacking the rim. California is right back into this race, especially with a visit to Arizona looming late in the season.

[bwgood77]

http://www.nbadraft.net/california-dreaming

Player of the Week (Feb 13-20)

Jaylen Brown - California
While Brown had a fairly good week, this is a team award for me. With a huge road win against Washington, the Golden Bears are suddenly just a game back from Oregon and Arizona for first place in the Pac-12. With Tyrone Wallace still working himself back to full strength, Brown has been looked to for much of the California offense. Brown had a great game against the Huskies, scoring 23 points with five boards a block and two steals all with 7 of 13 shooting. This is the Brown that everyone expected coming out of High School. The freshman was efficient, got to the free throw line, and was even pretty good on defense. In California’s other win during the week, Brown had 15 points and also chipped in eight boards and three assists. Brown had seven turnovers this week, but it’s okay, especially when Brown is aggressive and attacking the rim. California is right back into this race, especially with a visit to Arizona looming late in the season.

AZ@COL tonight ESPN2
CALvsUCLA tomorrow night ESPN2

CAL@AZ Thursday 3/3 (seems like that would be ESPN but don't see it scheduled there yet)

Brown could definitely be a consideration if we fall in the 3-6 range....in his last 4 games he has shot 5-11 from 3 (46%) even though he is 29% for the year, but also 15/6 and seems to get to the line pretty often. If we go with a guy like him, we are really going to need to figure out how often we can play someone like him or Warren as a small ball 4. I suppose Tucker for one more year could give us some time there and Leuer if we sign them but would be nice to get one in the draft.

[SarcasticSun]

And is this draft class really as awful as people say? Sorry, haven't really been following college basketball this year as much as I have in the past.

You never really know. At the time, many said the 2011 draft class was the worst ever.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/623971-2011-nba-draft-the-10-worst-draft-classes-in-nba-history

But that was the at the top of the class. Interesting things happened farther down.

1. Kyrie Irving
4. Tristan Thompson
8. Brandon Knight
11. Klay Thompson
15. Kawhi Leanard.
16. Vucevic
22. Faried
23. Mirotic
24. Reggie Jackson
30. Jimmy Butler
38. Chandler Parsons
60. Isaiah Thomas

To be fair, people also said 2013 might be the worst ever..and it is one of the all time worst drafts. Best players were McCollum, Gobert, and Giannis..of course that draft was our first high pick in a long time, such a trash draft to have a high pick.

As far as this draft.. kind of reminds me of 2008 or 2007. Some elite (at the time) players at the top. Pretty average draft. After the last two drafts this one does look much weaker, but much better compared to 2013.

[bwgood77]

Would anyone consider taking Poeltl?

On Sunday, Jakob Poeltl had 29 points on 11-of-13 shooting plus 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and a block in Utah's 80-69 win at USC. In his past four games, the Utes center is averaging 23 points and 10 rebounds and -- wait for it -- shooting 40-of-54 from the field. These sentences are punctuated with periods only because we can't end them in the most accurate and deserving fashion: with eight exclamation points, three fire emojis and one smiley face with X's for eyes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

Bracket updated a couple days ago

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

[SunsFanSSOL]

Would anyone consider taking Poeltl?

On Sunday, Jakob Poeltl had 29 points on 11-of-13 shooting plus 13 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and a block in Utah's 80-69 win at USC. In his past four games, the Utes center is averaging 23 points and 10 rebounds and -- wait for it -- shooting 40-of-54 from the field. These sentences are punctuated with periods only because we can't end them in the most accurate and deserving fashion: with eight exclamation points, three fire emojis and one smiley face with X's for eyes.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

Bracket updated a couple days ago

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

I certainly think he's more impressive than Len.

[blacksun]

And is this draft class really as awful as people say? Sorry, haven't really been following college basketball this year as much as I have in the past.

They always say that and honestly its getting old. The 2014 draft was considered a seven-men draft a year prior. Look how that turned out. These critics should just shut up and let these rookies prove their worth.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not a fan of Jaylen Brown. With all his athletic advantages vs college kids he still only shoot 29% from 3 and that's backed up with 64% from FT. He also averages less than 1 steal and 1 block.

Who's the last guy like Poetl to become an All-Star? He looks like a college dominator like Zeller or Plumlee.

I like Buddy Hield as he's putting together a track record that fits a prototype of multi year guards that overperform in the NBA despite athletic question marks - Lillard, Curry, McCollum, Thompson.

[SunsFanSSOL]

How would Hield fit in here? We already have Booker, and Bledsoe/Knight for that matter. Hield can't play PG either and he has poor size.