2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[TeamTragic]

yeah.... lets get back to trading Knight

[RaisingArizona]

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[SideSwipe]

Man what an insanely brutal spot the pacers find themselves in with George. Publicly saying hes leaving just submarines his value. They will be lucky to get 30 cents on the dollar for him. They **** up not dealing him at the deadline if something decent was on the table.

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Ryan should be on the phone right now checking our chances. These are the chances he has said we wait for since becoming GM. Trade 1 for George, Trade 2 for Butler/ Hayward (S&T), then a good signing/signings in FA, maybe Paul or Griffin, or maybe Hayward. Or some combination of the aforementioned.

That was the plan but the plan has changed. And Paul George made it clear 4 months ago that he was only interested in LA or Indiana so even if Ryan wanted to return to that approach, this would be the wrong way to do it. The new TV deal has removed the financial impetus to compete as soon as possible, now they are trying to build more to be in the championship conversation than simply making the postseason and hoping for luck along the way. Both Sarver and Ryan have acknowledged their intention to build through player development and Ryan has stated that he'd only move assets for a player that fits our age group (something like 25 tops IIRC).

Check your facts on this. There have been many reports stating that Ryan is still going to be opportunistic with the trade season and FA group. Even if the target isn't PG to PHX, other pieces will move that PHX can capitalize on. Ryan is in the last year of his deal and GM's are mostly measured in on-court success. He wants to win, and will take steps to do so.

Bottoming out is not a destination, its a plea of desperation when no other plan is present. There are no guarantees.

[Zelaznyrules]

Ryan should be on the phone right now checking our chances. These are the chances he has said we wait for since becoming GM. Trade 1 for George, Trade 2 for Butler/ Hayward (S&T), then a good signing/signings in FA, maybe Paul or Griffin, or maybe Hayward. Or some combination of the aforementioned.

That was the plan but the plan has changed. And Paul George made it clear 4 months ago that he was only interested in LA or Indiana so even if Ryan wanted to return to that approach, this would be the wrong way to do it. The new TV deal has removed the financial impetus to compete as soon as possible, now they are trying to build more to be in the championship conversation than simply making the postseason and hoping for luck along the way. Both Sarver and Ryan have acknowledged their intention to build through player development and Ryan has stated that he'd only move assets for a player that fits our age group (something like 25 tops IIRC).

Check your facts on this. There have been many reports stating that Ryan is still going to be opportunistic with the trade season and FA group. Even if the target isn't PG to PHX, other pieces will move that PHX can capitalize on. Ryan is in the last year of his deal and GM's are mostly measured in on-court success. He wants to win, and will take steps to do so.

Bottoming out is not a destination, its a plea of desperation when no other plan is present. There are no guarantees.

I know what you're talking about, that's why I mentioned the 25 year old player. He's no longer looking for a quick fix but he is interested in a deal that brings in a player that fits with the age group of our younger guys. I don't recall exactly what he said but I'm pretty sure it amounted to 25/26 at the oldest.

[AtheJ415]

Ryan should be on the phone right now checking our chances. These are the chances he has said we wait for since becoming GM. Trade 1 for George, Trade 2 for Butler/ Hayward (S&T), then a good signing/signings in FA, maybe Paul or Griffin, or maybe Hayward. Or some combination of the aforementioned.

That was the plan but the plan has changed. And Paul George made it clear 4 months ago that he was only interested in LA or Indiana so even if Ryan wanted to return to that approach, this would be the wrong way to do it. The new TV deal has removed the financial impetus to compete as soon as possible, now they are trying to build more to be in the championship conversation than simply making the postseason and hoping for luck along the way. Both Sarver and Ryan have acknowledged their intention to build through player development and Ryan has stated that he'd only move assets for a player that fits our age group (something like 25 tops IIRC).

Check your facts on this. There have been many reports stating that Ryan is still going to be opportunistic with the trade season and FA group. Even if the target isn't PG to PHX, other pieces will move that PHX can capitalize on. Ryan is in the last year of his deal and GM's are mostly measured in on-court success. He wants to win, and will take steps to do so.

Bottoming out is not a destination, its a plea of desperation when no other plan is present. There are no guarantees.

There are no guarantees with winning a few extra games either. I will NEVER understand this argument.

[Frank Lee]

I would not be surprised if we are in the talks to acquire Butler. But you know me... been saying this all along. having JBut, Bled, and Book would certainly make PHNX a desirable free agent destination ... hello Blake???

Now thats Its a game changer that gets GM of the year acknowledgment. None of these kids will move the needle. Yet those simple doable moves will put us in contention.

[Frank Lee]

I dont get the debate? Shouldn't the goal always be to win more games?

McDo has always said he will try to acquire top players wanting a change of scenery, players who become available for whatever reasons. He tried with LMA, halfway threw his hat into the Lebron circle.... who knows what other attempts he's made.

I dont think he has shelved his original outline for contention. If anything, he has set himself up to take another stab at it. There are some top players who very well could be moving this yr. Griffin, Butler, Milsap, Paul, George, Hayward, Lowery, ... put two here and we are right in the mix with the tank is permanently parked. Cant see Ryan putting his youther movement blinders on and being satisfied with another sub 500 season. His job could be on the line.

There should be much more to this off season than a #4 pick

[JMac1]

I would not be surprised if we are in the talks to acquire Butler. But you know me... been saying this all along. having JBut, Bled, and Book would certainly make PHNX a desirable free agent destination ... hello Blake???

Now thats Its a game changer that gets GM of the year acknowledgment. None of these kids will move the needle. Yet those simple doable moves will put us in contention.

Who are you giving up Frank?

Bled
Book
Butler
Blake

Is nice.....but not

Curry
Klay
KD
Draymond


We lose....today and tomorrow. If we play our cards right, we can win tomorrow.

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[Frank Lee]

The Warrior machine is daunting.... but last year they were shown the door with physical play. I'd roll that killer B lineup as it should/could be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league, with a damn good bench.

What I dont understand is this give up mentality. Too many are content with calling GState an unbeatable dynasty for the next 3-4 years. Nuts to that, as I do not have the luxury of time. Nobody does.

Its not about being patient.... its all about being aggressive to go after the top dog and bring him down. Our boys and fans need to get salty...they need to taste it.

[Frank Lee]

Haha... attaboy Blake

more fuel on this off season fire

Are we a serious player in FA, or are we the sister kissing bidder of past years?

McDO is DUE

[Qwigglez]

I would not be surprised if we are in the talks to acquire Butler. But you know me... been saying this all along. having JBut, Bled, and Book would certainly make PHNX a desirable free agent destination ... hello Blake???

Now thats Its a game changer that gets GM of the year acknowledgment. None of these kids will move the needle. Yet those simple doable moves will put us in contention.

I don't want to beat that dead horse anymore, but the Killer Bee's is the lineup I've been bringing up and hoping for since the trade deadline.
Redick is getting a huge contract elsewhere and the Clippers won't have enough money to match.
CP3 wants to win.
Griffin can't go to the Celtics if they are going after Hayward. What other team has the cap space?

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Someone should listen to the podcast (I can't I'm at work). Someone responded via tweet and said the convo didn't sound very serious. It would make sense that we would be in the top running for Griffin though since he is constantly injured and we managed to prolong Nash, Shaq, and Hill's career.

[BobbieL]

The Warrior machine is daunting.... but last year they were shown the door with physical play. I'd roll that killer B lineup as it should/could be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league, with a damn good bench.

What I dont understand is this give up mentality. Too many are content with calling GState an unbeatable dynasty for the next 3-4 years. Nuts to that, as I do not have the luxury of time. Nobody does.

Its not about being patient.... its all about being aggressive to go after the top dog and bring him down. Our boys and fans need to get salty...they need to taste it.

I get the WArriors are daunting but the Suns cannot just say "we aren't competing for three years so we are just going to keep building for 2023". Now that doesn't mean making stupid moves like when Sarver signed a bunch of "guys" in childres, warrick, traded for Hedo, that was dumb

But, if the right veteran comes along at the right price - have to explore it.

The thing that was bad about the Simmons trade as he was giving the Pacers a lot for a team without leverage. Its one thing for the Cavs to give them Love for George. Its another for the Suns to give up a lot of the young assets. That made no sense to me to give up both young players plus Bledsoe when the Pacers really don't have much say or they lose him for nothing.

Bledsoe or Knight - and that's if you think Knight will be better without Bledsoe
Warren
Miami or Phoenix pick
Derrick Jones Jr
seems pretty fair to me for a team with zero leverage

As for the Cavs - they should be all over Love for George this morning. All over it. That deal could get them a title. Love is a good rebounder but his scoring is spot up threes. George can give them that and a lot more.

[pidi]

The Warrior machine is daunting.... but last year they were shown the door with physical play. I'd roll that killer B lineup as it should/could be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league, with a damn good bench.

What I dont understand is this give up mentality. Too many are content with calling GState an unbeatable dynasty for the next 3-4 years. Nuts to that, as I do not have the luxury of time. Nobody does.

Its not about being patient.... its all about being aggressive to go after the top dog and bring him down. Our boys and fans need to get salty...they need to taste it.

Killer B Line-Up is Killing me...

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[darealjuice]

The big elephant in the room regarding bringing any of these superstars to Phoenix is that Boston can and likely will beat any trade offer we would be willing to put on the table. Go ahead and take all the shots we want at Free Agents, but I'm not about getting in a bidding war with Danny Ainge.

[batsmasher]

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Someone should listen to the podcast (I can't I'm at work). Someone responded via tweet and said the convo didn't sound very serious. It would make sense that we would be in the top running for Griffin though since he is constantly injured and we managed to prolong Nash, Shaq, and Hill's career.

Phoenix was one of his sleeper cities - qualified mostly by the quality of the city but the basketball side of things wasn't entirely removed from it.

The other hosts were obviously just doing it by the quality of the city so Blake took a similar path - but also talked about the cities from a basketball perspective.

He was playing dumb when it came to the free agency relevance but it's hard not to talk about this stuff without the off season implications.

#1 New York
#2 Phoenix
#3 Toronto
#4 Boston

[BobbieL]

The big elephant in the room regarding bringing any of these superstars to Phoenix is that Boston can and likely will beat any trade offer we would be willing to put on the table. Go ahead and take all the shots we want at Free Agents, but I'm not about getting in a bidding war with Danny Ainge.

I agree Ainge has a bunch of draft picks and other players to trade that could probably beat out a trade by the Suns. But Ainge has also shown an extreme amount of patience in making deals. If I am Ryan, maybe get aggressive, give it your best shot and beat Ainge to the punch.

Will be interesting to see what happens pre-draft - especially with Paul George out there, see how that impacts the market

[LukasBMW]

Building a big 3 around Bledsoe / Blake and a (insert player number 3 here via trade for the #4 pick) would be like building a 3 legged stool with 2 glass legs.

It wouldn't be the big 3...it would be the big 2 on IR + one lonely star.

[LukasBMW]

We should get in on the bidding for PG13 just because:

1. It would force the Lakers to offer more then just spare parts
2. It would increase our chances of signing a big name (then all of a sudden...maybe we keep him?)
3. We could possibly flip him for a profit at the deadline.

I'm not willing to give up Bender/Chriss/TJ/Booker/Ulis, but I'd consider the lesser of the Miami/Phoenix pick + Knight.

That would force the Lakers to at least offer Clarkson/Randall to beat that deal.